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[Cainhurst Crow]

Cerberus, Dalish, and Templar fans man.

[wright1978]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well ... the next game is (most likely) without shepard - ok ...

but what if the next protagonist turns out to be hawke 2.0 (most people did not like hawke at all)?

shepard was/is a selling argument and a pretty iconic character. even if people here state that shepards story is over and that he/she should rest in pieces, nobody would "push him/her out of the bed", if a new shepard-game would be released.

shepards future is tied to the reception of the next pc and the crew.


wait and see.


i said it before and i say it again ... make a second mass effect series of games. two seperate storylines in the same universe. one could be a shepard reboot (this would solve the reaper/ending-problem) and the other a firefly-like story. this would be like mixing "lord of the rings" with "conan the barbarien". shepard plays the "high fantasy" and the new firefly-like new troupe the "low fantasy" part. we could see the universe from two very different angles and bring fresh wind into the series, since the current state of the story can only be discribed as a "dead end".  

they could even tie into each other. tha would elevate the mass effect experience to a hole new level.

one universe, two branches but both potentually influence the other.

I didn't mind Hawke, though i do feel going from influential to the 'leaf on the wind' character would be a big move.
I wouldn't mind a Fireflyesque notion but i assume if that earlier leak is true about 'what does N7 mean to you' it might not be going that route. I hope  they jump on past Shep's time and reference it as little as possible as anything before orduring would be pointless and anything immediately after would have to come face to face with the aradiated ending imo.

[CronoDragoon]

Han Shot First wrote...
Not really a good example.

None of the United States' founders have passed from historical figures to mythological. Many historical figures end up being romanticized a bit, but this is different. "The Shepherd" makes it sound as if Shepard was not a flesh and blood man (or woman), but some sort of Messiah. It has religious connotations. It turns Shepard into Space Jesus.

If that is what you mean - religious figure - then I agree. However there are many examples of mythological figures which do not fit the mold you cast for "myth". Daniel Boone for example, is largely a mythological figure at this point. The cherry tree story about George Washington is more than just a bit of romance; it's darn fable.

[NeonFlux117]

I bet Cerberus is gonna have a significant role in the next Mass Effect game. Walters luvs him some Cerberus ballz up in his grill. luvs em'

[TurianRebel212]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

I bet Cerberus is gonna have a significant role in the next Mass Effect game. Walters luvs him some Cerberus ballz up in his grill. luvs em'

True story. It will happen. Prepare..... For it's arrival. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Cerberus becoming good guys again confirmed for ME4.

[NeonFlux117]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Cerberus becoming good guys again confirmed for ME4.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 07 février 2014 - 09:32 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Cerberus, Dalish, and Templar fans man.

Could probably add "pro-Quarian" and "pro-Genophage" to the list. Does all of the above make me a bad person?

[ElitePinecone]

wright1978 wrote...

Yep Grandpa Buzz does fit the original forced  backward hillbilly colony survivors sent back to the stone ages ending better. I pretend that scene doesn't even exist now as it doesn't make a lick of sense with the marginally less awful EC endings.

It's actually interesting to note that Grandpa Buzz and the kid were initially going to be representatives of a mix of every race in the Mass Effect universe. They were very literally going with the idea that after thousands of years, all the species would merge together.

The cinematic direction to that was:

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]
1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

And here's the way the concept artist Matt Rhodes interpreted that theme early in Mass Effect 3's development:



They were shooting for the far, far future in that final scene - which makes it all the more awkward to retcon or ignore it for future stuff.

[Cainhurst Crow]

****ty cerberus heel turn confirmed for ME4.

****ty heel face turn confirmed for ME4.

[wright1978]

ElitePinecone wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Yep Grandpa Buzz does fit the original forced  backward hillbilly colony survivors sent back to the stone ages ending better. I pretend that scene doesn't even exist now as it doesn't make a lick of sense with the marginally less awful EC endings.

It's actually interesting to note that Grandpa Buzz and the kid were initially going to be representatives of a mix of every race in the Mass Effect universe. They were very literally going with the idea that after thousands of years, all the species would merge together.

The cinematic direction to that was:

[biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int.end004_finale_v_d.end004_finale_v_dlg]
1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after the events of the game.
2: There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...

And here's the way the concept artist Matt Rhodes interpreted that theme early in Mass Effect 3's development:



They were shooting for the far, far future in that final scene - which makes it all the more awkward to retcon or ignore it for future stuff.

Is that supposed to be the wreck of the Citadel behind them?

[DeinonSlayer]

@ElitePinecone

And I thought Synthesis was bad...

Seriously, how the hell would that "mixing" even work? As much as FemShep may love Garrus, genetically, she has more in common with a turnip.

[Han Shot First]

ElitePinecone wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Yep Grandpa Buzz does fit the original forced  backward hillbilly colony survivors sent back to the stone ages ending better. I pretend that scene doesn't even exist now as it doesn't make a lick of sense with the marginally less awful EC endings.

It's actually interesting to note that Grandpa Buzz and the kid were initially going to be representatives of a mix of every race in the Mass Effect universe. They were very literally going with the idea that after thousands of years, all the species would merge together.

I'm glad that was abandoned. I don't want Mass Effect to become The Dark Crystal.

[Cainhurst Crow]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@ElitePinecone

And I thought Synthesis was bad...

Seriously, how the hell would that "mixing" even work? As much as FemShep may love Garrus, genetically, she has more in common with a turnip.

Isn't it lovely?

[ElitePinecone]

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Casey's comment in Mar 2012 was with the destroy the franchise ending.

He did?

That's odd, considering all the gentle nudging the game gives you towards Synthesis. Synthesis always gave me the impression of it being the two lead writers' darling.

I think the original poster was talking about their opinion that the original ending "destroyed the franchise", not that Casey picked Destroy. 

And yeah, Synthesis was the darling. At the very least it painted a shiny veneer on absurdly optimistic utopianism and unconsensual mass-transformation of every single thing in the galaxy.

[Han Shot First]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@ElitePinecone

And I thought Synthesis was bad...

Seriously, how the hell would that "mixing" even work? As much as FemShep may love Garrus, genetically, she has more in common with a turnip.

Isn't it lovely?

That is horrifying.

[CronoDragoon]

And people think Synthesis is a loss of diversity...my god.

[DeinonSlayer]

StreetMagic wrote...

It's the fantasy of liberals to think we can resolve all of our differences by just saying we're (or in this case, making us) all the same.

And they'll crucify anyone who publicly argues otherwise.

StreetMagic wrote...
I think something is lost when the identity of individuals and/or specific groups isn't addressed. I think people need to work at their differences and try to find commonality.. not just wave a ****ing wand and "make it so".

Agreed. I found the end of "Ender's Game" far more inspiring - the Formics had no understanding of human individualism, but both species learned the other's worth. Nobody had to stick a fork in their brains and stir them around to reach this revelation; understanding was earned instead of being impressed upon them.

Anyone else remember Aveena's little spiel in ME2 about "cornucopia technology" as the solution to poverty? I remember wishing there was a renegade-interrupt facepalm thrown in there in response to it, but someone on the writing staff must really like the idea.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 07 février 2014 - 09:55 .

[ElitePinecone]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Seriously, how the hell would that "mixing" even work? As much as FemShep may love Garrus, genetically, she has more in common with a turnip.

I don't know. I feel bad about criticising an earnest piece of work, but it's honestly pretty depressing that the implausibility of that idea wasn't picked up by somebody on the team. The Mass Effect series started out at least paying lip service to the idea of being a hard-ish science fiction universe, or keeping up the appearance of being one. The existence of Synthesis itself is already just really frustrating, and it's... kinda sad... that these ideas made it into the final game, and will remain there. 

I know there's a distinction between the designers and the artists, but the series needed somebody to check it for plausibility and some level of just... making sense - and that clearly just wasn't happening for those bits of ME3. 

Here's Matt Rhodes' thoughts on that picture:

This image was purely speculative on my part. I imagined the galaxy changed by the synthesis choice. Because life and technology were joined (and I didn’t know the Mass Relays would be destroyed yet) I imagined that there would be no more need for space ships. Any creature could just link in with the nearest relay and jump to any world they chose, surface to surface. This would start changing the biology of every creature in the galaxy as they would no longer be limited to any one environment. Here are some Asari/Salarian/Human/? in the far, far future taking a carefree stroll in the grass.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 07 février 2014 - 09:53 .