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[wright1978]

What about the poor Elcor, Hanar and Volus don't they get to jump into the crazy genetic mixing petri dish?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Why is that hellish abomination not on fire?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They could bring back Shepard with Ryncol Theory.

[TurianRebel212]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They could bring back Shepard with Ryncol Theory.

...... For The Empire Julia???

[ElitePinecone]

Point being (to get vaguely back on topic): ME3 was the end of Shepard's story, and (from all appearances) was intended to be the chronological end of the IP, since the universe could split off into multicoloured explosions and eventually Grandpa Buzz's storytime.

Nothing they've said since then has opened up the possibility of Shepard returning, even if the next game is a sequel. Everything they've said has been the opposite, in fact: "it has to feel like a Mass Effect game at its heart, at its core. Just without the Shepard character or the Shepard specific companions.”

I don't see any vast conspiracy in there, so the most plausible thing to expect is that we never play as Shepard ever again. If the story "doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all, whatsoever", as Mac said in an interview, then Shepard might never even be mentioned again.

Heck, if the game is set early enough Shepard the character might not even have been born.

[Dr_Extrem]

wright1978 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well ... the next game is (most likely) without shepard - ok ...

but what if the next protagonist turns out to be hawke 2.0 (most people did not like hawke at all)?

shepard was/is a selling argument and a pretty iconic character. even if people here state that shepards story is over and that he/she should rest in pieces, nobody would "push him/her out of the bed", if a new shepard-game would be released.

shepards future is tied to the reception of the next pc and the crew.


wait and see.


i said it before and i say it again ... make a second mass effect series of games. two seperate storylines in the same universe. one could be a shepard reboot (this would solve the reaper/ending-problem) and the other a firefly-like story. this would be like mixing "lord of the rings" with "conan the barbarien". shepard plays the "high fantasy" and the new firefly-like new troupe the "low fantasy" part. we could see the universe from two very different angles and bring fresh wind into the series, since the current state of the story can only be discribed as a "dead end".  

they could even tie into each other. tha would elevate the mass effect experience to a hole new level.

one universe, two branches but both potentually influence the other.

I didn't mind Hawke, though i do feel going from influential to the 'leaf on the wind' character would be a big move.
I wouldn't mind a Fireflyesque notion but i assume if that earlier leak is true about 'what does N7 mean to you' it might not be going that route. I hope  they jump on past Shep's time and reference it as little as possible as anything before orduring would be pointless and anything immediately after would have to come face to face with the aradiated ending imo.

maybe "hawke 2.0" was not the best way to discribe what i wanted to say.

just think of a charcter that was meant to fill a gap but was just too small to do it.


this is what can happen ... either they create a character that outshines shepard in a grotesque way (bad) or the new one just failes to catch the audience. and its not just shepard - the whole new team ... all sidekicks and the main story have to hit the spot. if only one part failes, the whole cardhouse collapses in the shadow of the former cast.

writing a new character to fill shepards (and the crews) gap is no small task and i have doubts, that it is possible for mac walters or chris priestly to find this very small sweet spot. maybe i am wrong but the story-progression of the last trilogy does not show them in a good light.

[wright1978]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe "hawke 2.0" was not the best way to discribe what i wanted to say.

just think of a charcter that was meant to fill a gap but was just too small to do it.


this is what can happen ... either they create a character that outshines shepard in a grotesque way (bad) or the new one just failes to catch the audience. and its not just shepard - the whole new team ... all sidekicks and the main story have to hit the spot. if only one part failes, the whole cardhouse collapses in the shadow of the former cast.

writing a new character to fill shepards (and the crews) gap is no small task and i have doubts, that it is possible for mac walters or chris priestly to find this very small sweet spot. maybe i am wrong but the story-progression of the last trilogy does not show them in a good light.

I certainly have my doubts how any new N7 protaganist is going to measure up to Shep which is definitely one reason i'd prefer an alternative.

[TurianRebel212]

StreetMagic wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Point being (to get vaguely back on
topic): ME3 was the end of Shepard's story, and (from all appearances)
was intended to be the chronological end of the IP, since the universe
could split off into multicoloured explosions and eventually Grandpa
Buzz's storytime.

Nothing they've said since then has opened up the possibility of Shepard returning, even if the next game is a sequel. Everything they've said has been the opposite, in fact:
"it has to feel like a Mass Effect game at its heart, at its core. Just
without the Shepard character or the Shepard specific companions.”

I
don't see any vast conspiracy in there, so the most plausible thing to
expect is that we never play as Shepard ever again. If the story
"doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all,
whatsoever", as Mac said in an interview, then Shepard might never even
be mentioned again.

Heck, if the game is set early enough Shepard the character might not even have been born.

They can do what they want with the IP. It's the lack of information that bothers me. I probably won't play it though if that's what they go for. If they don't want my money, fug it. I can only hope there's more RPGs at the time to get my fix with. Sometimes I buy these games because there's nothing else around.

CDprojektRed has got you covered there. Not only with Witcher 3 but I highly suspect Cyber Punk will be an amazing RPG. Then you know, there's always Fallout 4 and stuff. 

I wouldn't hang my hopes on ME4 being more RPG than ME3 or whatevs. I think the MP and bang, bang pew, pew gameplay and third person shooter elements will be the main focus. As will making it purrdy and stuff.... Hence the Frostbite 3 application for it's engine. 

[wright1978]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Heck, if the game is set early enough Shepard the character might not even have been born.

I'm very dubious of the concept of a prequel set in the shadow of the Reaper harvest, coupled with the very narrow timeframe for a human protaganist. Something set afterwards is at least taking you away from the mess.

[Dr_Extrem]

wright1978 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe "hawke 2.0" was not the best way to discribe what i wanted to say.

just think of a charcter that was meant to fill a gap but was just too small to do it.


this is what can happen ... either they create a character that outshines shepard in a grotesque way (bad) or the new one just failes to catch the audience. and its not just shepard - the whole new team ... all sidekicks and the main story have to hit the spot. if only one part failes, the whole cardhouse collapses in the shadow of the former cast.

writing a new character to fill shepards (and the crews) gap is no small task and i have doubts, that it is possible for mac walters or chris priestly to find this very small sweet spot. maybe i am wrong but the story-progression of the last trilogy does not show them in a good light.

I certainly have my doubts how any new N7 protaganist is going to measure up to Shep which is definitely one reason i'd prefer an alternative.

any new character has to fill this gap ... n7 is just a label.

every new pc will stand in the shadow of shepard and he/she will be compared to the "original" ... if the new game is more "talky", than people will think, "how would shepard have solved this?" ... we all compare remakes with the original.

[ElitePinecone]

wright1978 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Heck, if the game is set early enough Shepard the character might not even have been born.

I'm very dubious of the concept of a prequel set in the shadow of the Reaper harvest, coupled with the very narrow timeframe for a human protaganist. Something set afterwards is at least taking you away from the mess.

That's not really a debate that needs repeating 

But I think whatever they choose, it's silly to assume that Shepard would even be referenced. I'd almost prefer it if they didn't, because a game that spent half its time making awkward callbacks to the first trilogy and pandering to people with fanservice would be frustrating. Even if they could find a way to do something post-ME3 without retconning the endings down to a fine paste, I'd hate it Garrus and Tali turned up ~again~ just because someone decided it was the only way to attract all the old fans. It was getting tired and stale to see the same cast of a few dozen people in ME3, and they need something really fresh.

If Montreal take the opportunity to do something zany with the setting, it's quite possible we'll never run into any of Shepard's companions or the major characters of the trilogy - and I think that's actually a good thing.

[Mcfly616]

Standalone story set before ME1, no Shepard and nobody from the original trilogy....


Hopefully...

[wright1978]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't think they'll bring Garrus or Tali or whoever into it. From some of the rumors floating around, they might just rely on branding and marketing to simply attract old people ("N7"). I doubt it's necessary though. Many gamers have disposable income and will buy it regardless.

Existing characters have all sort of baggage and it would really mean dealing with the elephant in the room that is Shep. Can't see it happening and i don't want it to happen either.

[Dr_Extrem]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't think they'll bring Garrus or Tali or whoever into it. From some of the rumors floating around, they might just rely on branding and marketing to simply attract old people ("N7"). I doubt it's necessary though. Many gamers have disposable income and will buy it regardless.

income .. i would not call it disposable .. but ok .. in case of a good game, its not a big factor.

my problem is time. i dont have enough time to "waste" on a game/character that i dont like. thats the reason i have not played da2. i played the demo and decided, that i dont like hawke/setting enough, to spend my most precious recource (time) on this game. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They could bring back Shepard with Ryncol Theory.

I don't know what that is but I like the sound of it.

[Sanunes]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't think they'll bring Garrus or Tali or whoever into it. From some of the rumors floating around, they might just rely on branding and marketing to simply attract old people ("N7"). I doubt it's necessary though. Many gamers have disposable income and will buy it regardless.

For some people the world is enough of a character to bring them into the game, they don't need to see any specific character from the past to make it a success.  Besides I can't see them doing the same thing they did with Mass Effect 3 having a "returning character" and a "incase they died character" for the same roles, for if my memory is correct only two characters don't have the chance to die in at least during one of the games and that is Liara and James.

[Redbelle]

The thing I'd like resolved in ME4......

Was the kid from the vent/playing with the toy fighter/died in the Kodiak/Ended up as the glow boy...... was this thing real, imagined?

It's kinda the biggest unresolved aspect of ME3 that needs a heroic protagonist to put cold steel to it's temple and give it's brain pan...... such as it is...... a much overdue cleaning.

Otherwise, regarding Shepard..... I'm holding BW to their word on Shepard being dead. Regardless of the breath scene BW pretty much ran me ragged with all this is he isn't he, was it, wasn't it speculation that anymore...... will simply be the thing that makes me shrug while accepting that the story writers have lost control of their plot.

So here's to hoping Shep's dead........ Darn it.

Modifié par Redbelle, 08 février 2014 - 12:50 .