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[Maria Caliban]

The discrepancy is probably because they're dancing around what the exact background of the qunari inquisitor is. Just like they're not giving us information on the other backgrounds.

[Trolldrool]

I think Tal-Vashoth basically means those who have not only left the Qun, but also wish to have an active part in its destruction. Vashoth have left the Qun, but are content to leave it as it is and not draw unwanted attention to themselves.

And then there are the qunari born outside of the Qun, whom I assume the qunari prefer to just call Vashoth, so they don't have to bother inventing a new word for it. .

[CybAnt1]

Well, once again, it seems there's two competing interpretations.

1) Vashoth are nonviolent, Tal-Vashoth are violent.
2) Vashoth are passive towards the Qun, Tal-Vashoth are actively opposing it.

And what do they call you if you nonviolently spend your days telling other qunari to leave the Qun?

Schmuck, I guess.  :innocent:

Sorry, don't mind me.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 06 février 2014 - 01:23 .

[Psykohamster]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Developers have confirmed that all Qunari Inquisitors are vasoth.

Obviously all Qunari mages will be Saarebas, Saarebas literally means mage.

Actually, Sarebas literally means "dangerous thing".

[Iakus]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well it would be interesting to know how Vashoth mages are treated , the Qunari really fear mages , more than templars.And many other societies fear magic.
It's possible Vashoth mages are still outcast (Saarebas) ,in tribe/society where mages are accepted ,it's usualy a very long tradition and they master schools of magic the chantry and I guess the Qun forbid.

For now , I guess it's impossible to know if Vashoth "society" still perceive their mages as "dangerous things" .If that's the case it's possible free Saarebas live in some sort of Coven with other like them or just looked for human/elf apostate.
If I remember correctly Saarebas among Tal Vashoth are not really popular , they are still feared.
They may be tolerated because they provide some firepower ,but their lack of proper training make them dangerous to others .

I got the impression there is no homogenous Vashoth society.  People leave the Qun for various reasons, and have different levels of rejection of it.  I suppose some could retain the Qunari fear of mages and magic, and others could be more accepting of it.

[Laughing_Man]

Qunari non-believers: persons of this race that either broke out of the mind-wash protocols that were implanted in them, or simply were never "educated".

The answer to your question seems straight forward to me.
Such a person with access to magic, if raised among true non-believers or broke free of his "masters", will simply be a grey-skinned horned person, who wields magic.

Otherwise, such a person would be shackled by and never truly free of the qun.
Which would also mean that he would never be able to become an inquisitor.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 06 février 2014 - 04:40 .

[Angarma]

It seems interesting how people would deign the Qunari Mage Inquisitor to have been born from outside the Qun,
due to being 'Vashoth', but have yet to answer- how then that would fit into being previously Saarebas? Unless
these posters are alluding to some theory that such a Kossith comes from Vashoth parents that still use the term?

Although it does seem strange to leave the Qun, but then designate your child as 'Saarebas' because of the Qun?
As well, why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

The idea of a Kossith that is born outside the Qun being titled 'Vashoth' seems unsubstantial to me.

CybAnt1 wrote...
Sorry, don't mind me.

Your insight is always valued, CybAnt1, you are Ashkaari to many threads.

[Potato Cat]

Well firstly they would still be culturally Qunari, even if they left. Therefore, due to both language barriers and racial prejudice, there's little chance of assimilation into other societies and cultures, barring becoming Tevinter due to slavery. Also, it's not cruel to call a child a Saarebas because that's the Qunlat word for mage. Qunlat's very metaphorical like that. I was reading the other day in some Asian language a thousand could also mean everything. So it's like that I suppose.

[DRTJR]

I imagine a Valshoth escaping party might have use for a few Saarebas to aid in their escape.

[PsychoBlonde]

daveliam wrote...

I thought that I read somewhere that Vashoth meant either a qunari who had abandoned the Qun, yet doesn't violently oppose it AND those who weren't exposed to it (i.e. born outside of the Qun). Maybe I'm mistaken though.

According to the Codex entry in Origins, Qunari call those who leave the Qun "Vashoth", meaning "grey ones".  The ex-Qunari adopted this term as a point of pride and call *themselves* "Tal-Vashoth" meaning "true grey ones".  So it refers to precisely the same group of people in both cases.  

[Iakus]

Dodok wrote...

It seems interesting how people would deign the Qunari Mage Inquisitor to have been born from outside the Qun,
due to being 'Vashoth', but have yet to answer- how then that would fit into being previously Saarebas? Unless
these posters are alluding to some theory that such a Kossith comes from Vashoth parents that still use the term?

Although it does seem strange to leave the Qun, but then designate your child as 'Saarebas' because of the Qun?
As well, why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

Because even if someone rejects the Qun as a whole, it may be hard to shake off ingrained aspects of it, like a fear of mages as "dangerous things".  It is, after all, all you've ever known.

The idea of a Kossith that is born outside the Qun being titled 'Vashoth' seems unsubstantial to me.

It may be that a qunari who was born outside the Qun may be considered bas just like any human or elf.

[Clockwork_Wings]

iakus wrote...

The idea of a Kossith that is born outside the Qun being titled 'Vashoth' seems unsubstantial to me.

It may be that a qunari who was born outside the Qun may be considered bas just like any human or elf.

That...acutually makes quite a bit of sensse.  Qunari are efficient that way.

[Angarma]

iakus wrote...

Dodok wrote...

It seems interesting how people would deign the Qunari Mage Inquisitor to have been born from outside the Qun,
due to being 'Vashoth', but have yet to answer- how then that would fit into being previously Saarebas? Unless
these posters are alluding to some theory that such a Kossith comes from Vashoth parents that still use the term?

Although it does seem strange to leave the Qun, but then designate your child as 'Saarebas' because of the Qun?
As well, why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

Because even if someone rejects the Qun as a whole, it may be hard to shake off ingrained aspects of it, like a fear of mages as "dangerous things".  It is, after all, all you've ever known.

This I had thought of- although still, it does not answer this question:

Dodok wrote...

Why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

Surely, like you say, a child of a Vashoth would be a Basra, due to exposure to foreign cultures?

[Iakus]

Dodok wrote...

This I had thought of- although still, it does not answer this question:

Dodok wrote...

Why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

Surely, like you say, a child of a Vashoth would be a Basra, due to exposure to foreign cultures?

It may be, as far as the Qunari as concerned.  

But to humans?  They might consider such a community Vashoth or Tal Vashoth just because they're "Qunari who aren't Qunari" or something like that. They'd see no difference between those who left the Qun or were born outside of it.

[Zanallen]

Perhaps, by calling the Qunari inquisitor vasoth instead of tal-vasoth, they are implying that he or she was born outside of the Qun. Perhaps children of Tal-Vasoth.