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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

EntropicAngel wrote...

 I WILL say I like that Off-Topic isn't two full page lengths down on the "Forum" page.

I WOULD say that It's much easier to access Off-Topic by writing 'Of' or '13' in the link bar of your browser (if you don't remove history everyday).

[DragonRacer]

Volus Warlord wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

I like the overhaul of the site rules. Easier to read and comprehend, I think.

OdanUrr wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Bottom line, it's MUCH too broad, especially since intepretation of and enforcement of the rules is left to the discretion of each individual mod: what one is okay with another will hand out bans over.

Hence why we need an appeals system in place.

I whole-heartedly agree that an appeals system should be put into place. Unless rule # 7 that gives the contact@bioware.com email is supposed to be the main contact for appealing?

Appeals? Really? It's a freakin' video game forum! 

"Oh noes I said something off color and now I lost access to the forum for 24 hours!" Just wait it out.. There are plenty of other things you can do. 

Appeals for a temporary ban are silly. I more have a mind for seeing appeals be possible for some folks who have been permabanned.

I say this because a ban history DOES count against you. I currently have 2 bans in my history, both 24 hour ones. The first ban was fully legitimate: I participated in a quote pyramid and, although I was clueless about spam at the time, I had that one coming, so that was acceptable. However, my second ban came because one of the numbered mods felt a post reply of mine was "off-topic", even though it absolutely was on-topic to the thread matter. That second ban, I feel, was wrong and unnecessary... and yet, now it adds to my "ban history".

Not that I am a troublemaker or get bans often, but a situation like that bothers me because arbitrary decisions can and are made and if enough of those piled up, I could be recommended for a permaban simply because a mod disagreed with whether a post of mine was or was not on topic.

That's why an appeals process would be appreciated. I feel your sarcastic tone was rather uncalled for, by the way.

[Jesse Reid]

EntropicAngel wrote...

 I WILL say I like that Off-Topic isn't two full page lengths down on the "Forum" page.


Edit: As for the subfoums, I know Ubisoft has their own separate page for those--like, you click "Assasin's Creed," then you get sent to the page with all the subforums, who all each have their own page with the threads.

Just Dragon Age Franchise
Just Mass Effect Franchise

[Ghost Lightning]

Will you guys also be changing the account deletion process? I know people find it annoying that they have to wait 2 weeks from their last forum post to delete accounts.

[aries1001]

Dear Jessica

I have a question concerning rule number 5: No profanity. What is considered profanity? Since I'm from Denmark (you know the small little state on top of Germany in Europe) I'd like to know. Not because I plan to use profanity any time soon on this side (or on other sides for that matter). It would just be nice to know what is considered profanity - especially since in Denmark we sometimes use what may be consideres profanity in the US or Canada or maybe elsewhere to?

And you do know that the word assasination has been censored by the autocensor in times past?
Others word that are normal english words have also been censored by the autocensor because it apparently sees af part of the word and deems that is a profane word although it, like assasination, is a totally normal english word. Please explain.

Also, trolling could be described as 'a negative emotional response from another person'. However, again, what will be a negative emotional response in one person might not trigger any response at all in another person. Please advice.

edit:
Positive response:
I really like the new layout of the forums. Very modern and very easy to access the forum(s) you'll need to go to.

Modifié par aries1001, 07 février 2014 - 08:39 .

[Ninja Stan]

bobobo878 wrote...

Interesting, the word "politics" seems to have been completely removed from the rules. Does this mean what I think it means?

Keep in mind that political discussions online very quickly degenerate into rhetoric that WILL violate one or more of the site rules. So while the letter of the rules may allow them, in practice they will be no easier to sustain than they are now.

[aries1001]

Dear Stan and Jessica

It is, hopefully still, like this: We may discuss political things in relation to say the DA: Universe or the Mass Effect Universe....but we may not discuss real life politics.

[Ninja Stan]

aries1001 wrote...

Dear Jessica

I have a question concerning rule number 5: No profanity. What is considered profanity? Since I'm from Denmark (you know the small little state on top of Germany in Europe) I'd like to know. Not because I plan to use profanity any time soon on this side (or on other sides for that matter). It would just be nice to know what is considered profanity - especially since in Denmark we sometimes use what may be consideres profanity in the US or Canada or maybe elsewhere to?

The common "four-letter words" are profanity, as well as misogynistic terms for insulting women. This applies even if the poster uses symbols to replace letters or other ways to bypass the language filter.

And you do know that the word assasination has been censored by the autocensor in times past?
Others word that are normal english words have also been censored by the autocensor because it apparently sees af part of the word and deems that is a profane word although it, like assasination, is a totally normal english word. Please explain.

That's a valid concern. I believe a blanket inclusion was put into the word filter to prevent people from just appending characters to allow the word through. But enforcement of this will be up to the Moderator. For example, I tend to allow the term "dick" as a commonly used synonym for jerk, idiot, stupidhead, douchebag, etc., but not when it's used to refer to anatomy.

Also, trolling could be described as 'a negative emotional response from another person'. However, again, what will be a negative emotional response in one person might not trigger any response at all in another person. Please advice.

This will be determined on a case-by-case basis by Moderators, but common sense will prevail and the perceived intention of the poster will be considered, the same way it is now to determine whether a community member is trolling.

[Ninja Stan]

aries1001 wrote...

Dear Stan and Jessica

It is, hopefully still, like this: We may discuss political things in relation to say the DA: Universe or the Mass Effect Universe....but we may not discuss real life politics.

I've never had an issue with people discussing the fictional politics of DA or ME. The issues usually arise when folks start bringing in real-life politics, which can provoke others, make them defensive, and cause flaming and insults to enter into the conversation. If you keep things civil and game-based, it should be okay.

The Site Rules have always assumed the BSN community members are generally posting and discussing things in good faith and in a friendly, mature manner.

[Ninja Stan]

fchopin wrote...

I do not understand this (Trolling is posting with the intent to provoke an emotional response from another user.)

The purpose for posting is to get an emotional response from another user, so if this is not allowed what is the reason to post in the first place?

When you post, are you trying to provoke (i.e. stimulate a strong (usually negative) response) or are you trying to elicit (i.e. evoke or draw out)? The term "provoke" has a negative connoation. I mean, if you want to get pedantic about it.

[aries1001]

Dear Jessica and Stan

I have another question for you

Since BG1 and BG2 are now placed under Legacy Games where is the technical self help for these games? I know people still play them today....and many people have had good use of the tech self help for BG 1 and BG2. And if you have a a question about BG1 and BG2 (not necessarily a tech question) e.g. the right party for BG1 and BG2 how do you find the information, what do you do then...

edit:

Dear mr. Stanley, are the common four letter words the 7 words that may not be spoken in US and Canadian television? I'm asking since I come from Denmark. And if you watch our movies or see our tv-shows or debates in tv some of these words actually might be spoken. And also, if you read our newspapers and especially the comments to the articles, people seem to use these common four letters word - or worse. As you might guess, Iøm just trying to establish what guidelines or boundaries we have. I know that the guidelines or restrictions/boundaries are tighter here on the BSN that it is at home; I also compare this to going to grandmas house....her house - her rules. Be on your best behaviour etc.

Modifié par aries1001, 07 février 2014 - 09:11 .

[ObserverStatus]

Ninja Stan wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Interesting, the word "politics" seems to have been completely removed from the rules. Does this mean what I think it means?

Keep in mind that political discussions online very quickly degenerate into rhetoric that WILL violate one or more of the site rules. So while the letter of the rules may allow them, in practice they will be no easier to sustain than they are now.

You really think so? Oh dear, it's a pity online political discussions can't be intelligent, curious, and passionate like the game content discussion that  makes the BSN amazing at its core. Not that my "FEMA camp" comment didn't support your point.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

 This should focus each subforum to a group of topics. Don’t worry if you post in the wrong subforum or category at first – our moderators are aware of this change and will actively be moving threads into the proper subforum/category. You will not be penalized (there are always exceptions, mainly being things like doing this on purpose to troll etc etc, but I feel that mostly it will be people doing it accidentally while we get used to this new system).

Thanks! I should go.

What about the threads that got locked with the same content as the other one? Will you merge them? Ex:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/17182598

And this thread

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/16991444/133

TBH, this was (in my point of view) a different thread, it was focused on Bioware Related Sentences(Like HAWKE) and in the other one, you could simply use ANY Word (ZEBRA, for example)... And then it got locked and I tried having the old thread back, and blah, blah, blah and didn't got it, 'cause it was the """"""Same"""""" Thread. So, yeah.

Point is, I lost many contributors to that thread, and it wasn't locked 'cause of Spamming and such. I just wanted to know if that would be possible in any way if you could merge both threads, and then everyone would be happy

Edit: Oh, and to clarify, I actually had to Edit the Thread and Title so it would seem like the Original one.
Edit 2: Oh, and TBH, the lots of quotes ("""""""") wasn't to provoke anyone or have a fight or anything like it. I was just expressing my opinion, in case you didn't understand why I did it.

Modifié par MegaIllusiveMan, 07 février 2014 - 10:11 .

[spirosz]

Are we not allowed to upload custom avatar's anymore?

[Billy-the-Squid]

[Inappropriate sarcasm removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 08 février 2014 - 07:40 .

[TEWR]

The common "four-letter words" are profanity, as well as misogynistic terms for insulting women. This applies even if the poster uses symbols to replace letters or other ways to bypass the language filter.

But I use profanity to enhance my point, not to belittle other people! If I say the common four-letter words, it's in relation to my point. Does that mean I'd get banned for it? Cuz it's not something I can really put a stop to.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 07 février 2014 - 11:27 .

[Volus Warlord]

Tequila Cat wrote...

I take it you are retaining the stance that you are the abiter of reasoned discourse? Oh this should be good, I'm sure we'll see accusations of sexism and misogyny crop up soon enough. 

Rather than profiling those that accuse you of such heinous crimes, you should take them to heart, and make necessary changes. 

What you need to do is rebrand your viewpoints.

Example: Misogyny 

Statement: "There are times when women ****** me the hell off."

Rebranded Statement: "I acknowledge that God put women on this earth to teach men humility and to illuminate the strengths and defects of their character. I often get overly defensive when my defects are put front and center."

Remember: Treat the allegations as a learning experience. It is nothing personal. It is a time to learn. 

[Dominus]

Looks significantly more organized and detailed than the previous version. I'm glad a certain topic had a happier ending than when I last left it.

One thing I'd like to see added to one of the older rules for image use:

I'd like to see an encouragement to use links for imagery instead of -img- posts. It'd be a more organized and condensed way of employing visuals without having it directly on screen. In general discussions on Mass Effect/Dragon age/etc. topics, images aren't necessary. However, cases like topics on upcoming games in Off-Topic don't have the luxury of having a sub-forum for fan creations.

Ultimately, I'd like to see an approach to manage images in a less cluttered fashion be fortified.

Modifié par DominusVita, 08 février 2014 - 07:02 .

[Ninja Stan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The common "four-letter words" are profanity, as well as misogynistic terms for insulting women. This applies even if the poster uses symbols to replace letters or other ways to bypass the language filter.

But I use profanity to enhance my point, not to belittle other people! If I say the common four-letter words, it's in relation to my point. Does that mean I'd get banned for it? Cuz it's not something I can really put a stop to.

Banning you for violating the Site Rules isn't something we can really put a stop to, either. Enjoy your inability to stop yourself from typing swear words in a public online forum for as long as it lasts, then, I guess?

[Gravisanimi]

DominusVita wrote...
One thing I'd like to see added to one of the older rules for image use:

I'd like to see an encouragement to use links for imagery instead of -img- posts. It'd be a more organized and condensed way of employing visuals without having it directly on screen. In general discussions on Mass Effect/Dragon age/etc. topics, images aren't necessary. However, cases like topics on upcoming games in Off-Topic don't have the luxury of having a sub-forum for fan creations.

Ultimately, I'd like to see an approach to manage images in a less cluttered fashion be fortified.

I think a lot could be gained from a [spoiler] option, allowing a drop down to be opened when you click it.

Which would work for a more comprehensive image organization quite well.

Modifié par Gravisanimi, 08 février 2014 - 07:49 .

[Ninja Stan]

Some off-topic and inappropriate posts removed.

[Ninja Stan]

DragonRacer wrote...

Appeals for a temporary ban are silly. I more have a mind for seeing appeals be possible for some folks who have been permabanned.

I say this because a ban history DOES count against you. I currently have 2 bans in my history, both 24 hour ones. The first ban was fully legitimate: I participated in a quote pyramid and, although I was clueless about spam at the time, I had that one coming, so that was acceptable. However, my second ban came because one of the numbered mods felt a post reply of mine was "off-topic", even though it absolutely was on-topic to the thread matter. That second ban, I feel, was wrong and unnecessary... and yet, now it adds to my "ban history".

Not that I am a troublemaker or get bans often, but a situation like that bothers me because arbitrary decisions can and are made and if enough of those piled up, I could be recommended for a permaban simply because a mod disagreed with whether a post of mine was or was not on topic.

That's why an appeals process would be appreciated. I feel your sarcastic tone was rather uncalled for, by the way.

I have a "30-day" rule. It's like a counter that decrements every 30 days or so. So if I have to ban someone, I take into account how many bans they've gotten in the last month or so. If there is one, then the ban I'm about to impose might have an extra day added or, if it's a really minor infraction but still needs addressing, I might keep the same ban time (so if your last ban was 24 hours, instead of imposing a 48-hour ban, I'd just ban you for 24 hours again). If the infraction is worse--such as going tfrom off-topic or spam to insults and personal attacks, for example--I might be more inclined to add that extra day.

If you haven't had a revent ban (i.e. within the last month or so), I'd be more likely to impose the lesser ban or, if your last ban was a multi-day ban, impose a ban of one day less than your last ban. As an example, if you got a 4-day ban last month but have kept your nose clean, you'd probably get a 3-day ban from me for the current offense if it is of an equal or lesser infraction.

I've had to deal with some troublemakers who have ridden out a 5-day ban--which they would only get for severe infraction or a number of lesser offenses--only to start up with the shenanigans again. From a 5-day ban, we can go to a 2-week ban, a recommendation for a 30-day ban, or a request for a permanent ban. This is a progression I consider pretty fair, since it implies anywhere from 6-8 offenses in a relatively short span of time in order to get permanently banned from the forums. You have to be either actively causing trouble or simply not care to follow the rules to get that far.

That number doesn't include any formal warning messages, warnings in-thread, or anytime an infraction is either edited or removed from a thread. And this is why I'm always a little incredulous whenever I hear that someone thinks we Moderators are too strict. Of course we might act that way, if someone has frittered away up to a dozen chances to alter their posting behaviour or attitude.