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Master Warder Z wrote...
They seem to market just fine.


To you, perhaps.  Yet there are a few billion other people roaming this planet who have yet to purchase a Bioware game.

They Market Well considering that while i have been gaming long before Bioware came into existance (admittedly not too long <_< Ain't THAT old) I do not give business out of charity, never have, never will.


I really don't understand where these remarks about charity are coming from... other than the notion that you seem to think that anyone who might encourage them to broaden their marketing to appeal to other interests should pay for the ads.

Point of it is; Gamers, Potential Gamers need to do their own research like most gamers.


Ain't nobody gonna research a product unless and until it somehow sparks their interest.

They shouldn't be coddled, Speical Interest Groups shouldn't be coddled, This entertainment not a Soap Box.


Again - no idea where these comments are coming from.  There are a lot of unique features about Bioware games that John / Joan Q. Public aren't even going to know about unless the marketing catches enough of their interest to make an effort to take a deeper look at it.

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misoretu9 wrote...

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And, frankly, if you refuse to buy a game because you think there is a lack of gender choice rather than gameplay, that's on you for missing out, not the developers, marketers, or publishers. If you see a game trailer with a male protagonist and think "that doesn't look like my kind of game", then it shouldn't look any more like your kind of game if the subject had breasts.


I think you missed the point. The issue lies in a fact that despite there being a gender choice in Bioware games you have to be a hardcore gamer who's familiar with other games from this company to know that, because otherwise, basing only on marketing, it usually looks like yet another action focused game with set bland generic white straight male protagonist.

And if we're talking about "missing great games" - ask yourself why game devs think it is so important to set all those bland generic white straight males as protagonists. If you don't know, here's the answer - because they reflect audience that is considered to be the target audience of most games. Many people project themselves into game's protagonists. You may think it is stupid (though it would be bold statement when 90% of games' protagonists are of your gender - it's very easy to not see any problem in such situation), but it affects enjoynment from the game for a lot of people.

So, because of this kind of marketing when it comes to Bioware games the company just loose money. They put a lot of work into making female gender an option for player, and then almost no one knows about it (speaking in general, since I've read somewhere that "hardcore gamers" are just a small part of game's buyers, though obviously it depends on the kind of the game).


No, I didn't miss the point at all.  My point was that there are limited funds marketing has available to get the word out about their game, and they are going to focus those funds on the greatest return.  Until you represent the best return on their investment, you are not going to be the focus of their marketing.  And, frankly,  what you quoted remains true.  If you look at a trailer and think 'not my kind of game', it shouldn't matter if there are gender options or not.  Or are you saying you'll buy a game you think you'll hate just because it has gender choice?

As for the company losing money, clearly it's isn't enough to outweigh the money they gain, or they would be marketing differently.  Even in this thread, everyone here has bought BioWare games, in spite of not having female protag trailers.  Buying later != not buying.  You still gave them your money.  Maybe you had to do some research on your own, but you still put your money down for the games.

If someone asked you tomorrow if they should pick up a BioWare game you enjoyed, would you tell them not to because there's not a female focused marketing campaign?

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Do you think that all male players feel themselves identified with characters that appear in the games?

Not all male players are white, and even the white ones don't have the same physical appearance.

Then let's ask to Bioware to make a video with a different kind of males and females that we can play.

Equality!

Looks like that some players here is trying to create a sexist fight with a gender war.

But remember, first we are all human and we deserve respect, no matter if you are male or female.

Bioware is doing right, it is just an inquisitor model to show us gameplay content.


If someone is more concerned about what gender will play the game. Does this person really likes to play RPGs? After all RPG is a role playing game, regardless of the gender of the character.

It's not right combating prejudice with more prejudice.

We already heard this soapbox speech a dozen times already. 

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General TSAR wrote...

Thibax wrote...

Do you think that all male players feel themselves identified with characters that appear in the games?

Not all male players are white, and even the white ones don't have the same physical appearance.

Then let's ask to Bioware to make a video with a different kind of males and females that we can play.

Equality!

Looks like that some players here is trying to create a sexist fight with a gender war.

But remember, first we are all human and we deserve respect, no matter if you are male or female.

Bioware is doing right, it is just an inquisitor model to show us gameplay content.


If someone is more concerned about what gender will play the game. Does this person really likes to play RPGs? After all RPG is a role playing game, regardless of the gender of the character.

It's not right combating prejudice with more prejudice.

We already heard this soapbox speech a dozen times already. 



Then why are you quoting me?

To appear again?

thanks for the ad :)

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EJ107 wrote...

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I wonder how many potential fans of both genders are never reached due to slanted advertising? None of the ME trailers or the DA2 Arishok trailer appealed to me, and the DA:O sacred ashes trailer was downright off putting. So generic, the quintessential dudebro slashing and hacking and killing things. All the trailers make the games seem like they have a fixed dudebro protagonist and are all about action. You never find out that it's all about story, characters, and choice or that you can make your own character. Without my cousin coming to my house and putting a copy of DA:O in my hands i would never have played a BioWare game. If the market for the type of game BioWare makes is so small that they are not worth marketing to and instead they need to trick action fans, especially those that will only play a dudebro into buying their games then I have to wonder why they make the kind of games they do?


I was convinced ME1/2 was just a generic Call of Duty/Halo clone that wouldn't interest me in the slightest until I happened to read online that you can create your own charcter and play as a female. 

For me it is the best feature of their games, so I don't undertsand why they don't advertise it more. Just a simple "Four playable races" text on a trailer for Inquisition would be enough to pique the interest of those interested in customising their charcter and imply that that it is possible to play as a female as well. 


That would've meant that the combat design was good, it wasn't.

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You're welcome, though it was not my intention to advertise half-baked dribble from SJWs.

EJ107 wrote...
I was convinced ME1/2 was just a generic Call of Duty/Halo clone 

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

Modifié par General TSAR, 09 février 2014 - 01:58 .


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General TSAR wrote...

You're welcome, though it was not my intention to advertise half-baked dribble from SJWs.

EJ107 wrote...
I was convinced ME1/2 was just a generic Call of Duty/Halo clone 

How did you arrive to that conclusion?



Sci-fi dudebro in all the marketting and on the box cover?

I assumed there was no gender selection in ME for quite a while due to how it was advertised.

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Limited budget, resource and time...

It's all about making profit not a social movement. 

Also, create bad ass male is easier than female,do it wrong then you screwed. Sure, having female
material might wider the audience but there are more effective ways than that like TV commercial.

And if you choose not to play the game because it's allow you to play only specific genders then who
is the one that sexist?

Modifié par d-boy15, 09 février 2014 - 02:21 .


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Sci-Fi dude bro in the marketing =/= Generic Call of Duty/Halo clone.

d-boy15 wrote...

Limited budget, resource and time...

It's all about making profit not a social movement.


It's mind-boggling how few people get this.

Modifié par General TSAR, 09 février 2014 - 02:13 .


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General TSAR wrote...

You're welcome, though it was not my intention to advertise half-baked dribble from SJWs.

EJ107 wrote...
I was convinced ME1/2 was just a generic Call of Duty/Halo clone 

How did you arrive to that conclusion?




are you trying to be bad educated against me?In my opinion, I said that I am against prejudice between genders, then we can assume that you are favor?  you want this kind of sexist opinions?Then if you don't have a opinion to say, don't tell that the others are bad and stop to attack me. Please!

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I do not think either the man Inquisitor or the woman Inquisitor should be promoted unless they earn it. Favouring one over the other without reason is simply sexism and is unacceptable in today's society.

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Calm down, that was my last communique to you concering this thread.

mousestalker wrote...
Favouring one over the other without reason is simply sexism and is unacceptable in today's society.

Target Market. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 09 février 2014 - 02:18 .


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General TSAR wrote...

Calm down, that was my last communique to you concering this thread.

mousestalker wrote...
Favouring one over the other without reason is simply sexism and is unacceptable in today's society.

Target Market.


Wonder if he gets upset over the fact that teeny bopper acts like Justin Beiber are marketted specifically to tween girls.

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General TSAR wrote...

Sci-Fi dude bro in the marketing =/= Generic Call of Duty/Halo clone.


Advertising + Marketting == How the public will perceive your game

It's mind-boggling how few people get this.


So true.

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What does Target have to do with anything? Admittedly they probably sell a lot of games and their aisles are nice and wide, but their market is meh and the produce is sub par.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Sci-Fi dude bro in the marketing =/= Generic Call of Duty/Halo clone.


Advertising + Marketting == How the public will perceive your game

No. Advertising is how you draw in customers. Marketing maybe, but more than anything, the ACTUAL GAME is how the public will perceive your game.

It's mind-boggling how few people get this.


So true.

I don't get why people don't see that ads are not there to inform anyone of gameplay features. Nor are they there to represent the game. Otherwise that Skyrim ad with the roaring dragon, running people, a dude in dead animals, and literally nothing else did a really bad job of being an ad. Too bad it was the only one. Game must of sold horribly.

Modifié par Br3ad, 09 février 2014 - 02:27 .


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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Advertising + Marketting == How the public will perceive your game.

You might have perceived it as a Dudebro Call of Duty/Halo clone, but I didn't.

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General TSAR wrote...

Calm down, that was my last communique to you concering this thread.

mousestalker wrote...
Favouring one over the other without reason is simply sexism and is unacceptable in today's society.

Target Market. 




You are living in the past, it might apply to Call of Duty, but not to this.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Veruin wrote...

This sh-t again?


It is a forum topic roughly at least once every ten days. 

Lump this in with voiced protagonist/dialogue wheel debates, Qunari/Kossith discussions, Mage/Templar War, multiplayer requests and modkit/toolkit threads. They will just materialize over and over again, just as par for the course.


Ten days is a little generous, Jimmy. More like a week. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 09 février 2014 - 02:31 .


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Br3ad wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Sci-Fi dude bro in the marketing =/= Generic Call of Duty/Halo clone.


Advertising + Marketting == How the public will perceive your game

No. Advertising is how you draw in customers. Marketing maybe, but more than anything, the ACTUAL GAME is how the public will perceive your game.

It's mind-boggling how few people get this.


So true.

I don't get why people don't see that ads are not there to inform anyone of gameplay features. Nor are they there to represent the game. Otherwise that Skyrim ad with the roaring dragon, running people, a dude in dead animals, and literally nothing else did a really bad job of being an ad. Too bad it was the only one. Game must of sold horribly.


Yep, other examples are the old Final Fantasy VII and Red Alert trailers from the 90s that consisted of largely CG scenes with little to no gameplay.

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Melrache wrote...

You are living in the past, it might apply to Call of Duty, but not to this.

May be EA is aim for COD market? It's a big damm market that everyone wants to be in.

Modifié par d-boy15, 09 février 2014 - 02:37 .


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Melrache wrote...

You are living in the past, it might apply to Call of Duty, but not to this.

Let me let you in on a secret, BW's games are not the Pieces of Eden or special little snow flakes, they are rank and file RPGs that are created to generate a profit to keep EA from liquidating BW.

BioWare caters to a certain demographic to maximize profits, that is the Male teenage-adult demographic.

No matter how much you stomp your feet and say no, this is the case and will forever be the case.

Plus the COD franchise rakes in billions, BW and its overlord wants a piece of that pie. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 09 février 2014 - 02:42 .


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d-boy15 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

You are living in the past, it might apply to Call of Duty, but not to this.

May be EA is aim for COD market? It's a big damm market that everyone wants to be in.




With RPG ? Yeaaah, I think even they know that they have no place in that market with a game like that. They need way more explosions, way more customizable weapons and gameplay that requires way less thinking.

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Melrache wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Calm down, that was my last communique to you concering this thread.

mousestalker wrote...
Favouring one over the other without reason is simply sexism and is unacceptable in today's society.

Target Market. 




You are living in the past, it might apply to Call of Duty, but not to this.


Hate to break it to you bruh but EA wants dat COD audience.

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I'm sorry Seboist, Br3ad, General TSAR but i want to see a fem Inquisitor in the advertisements.

Ask me why? No seriously ask me?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 09 février 2014 - 02:43 .