472 réponses à ce sujet

[Br3admax]

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Fun fact: That is false. Unless you count the Farmville mothers and the Angrybirds chicks.

Actually, it's close to true.  Regardless, female gamers aren't a "small" group - it's just males are more vocal, for obvious reasons. 

It's not really that close to true. It definitely is nowhere near more. 

[Dave of Canada]

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep but that's relevant to the case of marketing maleShep.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 février 2014 - 03:07 .

[Seboist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Fun fact: That is false. Unless you count the Farmville mothers and the Angrybirds chicks.

Actually, it's close to true.  Regardless, female gamers aren't a "small" group - it's just males are more vocal, for obvious reasons. 

It's not even close to true not even if you indeed count the Farmville mothers and Angrybird chicks and Candy Crush girls. Even with those included, women still make up less than half of the gaming population.

Female gamers are definitely a small group. A very small group.

And even if women were half the gaming population(Lol) that doesn't mean the gender ratio is even across all games and genres.

[cjones91]

Seboist wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
With regard to marketing, the goal is to attain the maximum purchases via a minimum amount of publicity. (I think) the point being made is that the female gaming crowd market is sufficiently small that marketing to their interests is a waste of time. I couldn't tell you how true or false that belief is without doing some fun random sampling, but there it is.

DING DING DING DING.

Fun fact:Women make up more than half the gaming demographic so ignoring them because reasons is short sighted.

Much like the feminist lie about how 1 in 4 women are "raped" repeatting that bull dung doesn't make it anymore true.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/06/12/women-50-percent-gaming-audience/2411529/

You were saying something?

[Dave of Canada]

cjones91 wrote...

http://www.usatoday....dience/2411529/

You were saying something?

It was already adressed prior. Linking to these statistics doesn't stop the fact that they're mostly irrelevant.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 février 2014 - 03:09 .

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

I've see one person on here claiming that the reason why only 18% of players picked femshep was due to marketting. The rationalization hamster went into overdrive with that one.

[cjones91]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

[The Heretic of Time]

Seboist wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Fun fact: That is false. Unless you count the Farmville mothers and the Angrybirds chicks.

Actually, it's close to true.  Regardless, female gamers aren't a "small" group - it's just males are more vocal, for obvious reasons. 

It's not even close to true not even if you indeed count the Farmville mothers and Angrybird chicks and Candy Crush girls. Even with those included, women still make up less than half of the gaming population.

Female gamers are definitely a small group. A very small group.

And even if women were half the gaming population(Lol) that doesn't mean the gender ratio is even across all games and genres.

My point exactly.

Like someone else pointed out earlier, only 30% of all the Mass Effect players are female, and that is actually a very generous estimate. Judged on the gender-ratio on this forum and the gender-ratio of all my gaming friends who played Mass Effect, I'd say it's less than that.

[Br3admax]

USAToday? Come on guy, you can do better than that. That's almost as bad as citing NSNBC or Fox News.

[Seboist]

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

Are you suggesting players are too dimwitted to notice the female option in the character creator and need marketting to tell them?

[General TSAR]

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

And the % of femshep players actually dropped by 2% after Mass Effect 3, imagine that.

[n7stormrunner]

cjones91 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
With regard to marketing, the goal is to attain the maximum purchases via a minimum amount of publicity. (I think) the point being made is that the female gaming crowd market is sufficiently small that marketing to their interests is a waste of time. I couldn't tell you how true or false that belief is without doing some fun random sampling, but there it is.

DING DING DING DING.

Fun fact:Women make up more than half the gaming demographic so ignoring them because reasons is short sighted.

Much like the feminist lie about how 1 in 4 women are "raped" repeatting that bull dung doesn't make it anymore true.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/06/12/women-50-percent-gaming-audience/2411529/

You were saying something?

is there a list that covers by genre, not debating the subject,  just want to know.

[cjones91]

http://en.wikipedia....and_video_games

Is this better?

[The Heretic of Time]

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

You're saying we need trailers and adds with femShep or femInq because apperantly the average gamer isn't smart enough to find the 'female' option in the character creation menu on his/her own? Is that what you're saying?

[Silfren]

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I don't really get why people always pull the profit excuse when it comes to not marketing games with female leads.I thought a business is supposed to include more customers instead of driving them away because of some old boy's club.

Holy ****. 

What?

Think about what you said. Just think. I know it's hard, but you should try it.

Ignoring the attempt at insulting my intellect I still don't see what is wrong with my point.How is marketing a female main character and possibly attracting more customers hurting anyone?

Alright, I'll spell it out. 

Marketing exists to make money. They will take whatever marketing approach they think will make the most money. It is not an excuse. It is the one and only cause and priority. The fact that you think marketing is about equality and not about making money makes you rather ignorant when it comes to.. life. 

The dudebros or old boys club or whatever you want to call them are the ones that have given them money and continued to do so. As such, EA will continue to focus on them with marketing, and will NOT try a marketing technique that may drive them away. It would be total idiocy to throw away proven customers for unproven ones. Your "rah rah social justice" sheninagins could-and have-done just that.  

The whole social justice charade is just a little thing Bioware likes to do on the side. You should be content with the fact that you can choose the gender of the avatar. That's loads more then you get with so many other developers. 

OMFG YOU SHOULD JUST BE HAPPY WITH THE CRUMBS WE ALREADY DEIGN TO GIVE YOU.  IT COULD BE WORSE!

Modifié par Silfren, 09 février 2014 - 03:12 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Seboist wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

Are you suggesting players are too dimwitted to notice the female option in the character creator and need marketting to tell them?

I dont know whether to be angry with you that you think so little of your fellow female gamers cjones, or pity you that you actually believe that garbage. 

[The Heretic of Time]

cjones91 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....and_video_games

Is this better?

No.

[d-boy15]

wikipedia...

That site isn't even accepted by high school teacher.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Silfren wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I don't really get why people always pull the profit excuse when it comes to not marketing games with female leads.I thought a business is supposed to include more customers instead of driving them away because of some old boy's club.

Holy ****. 

What?

Think about what you said. Just think. I know it's hard, but you should try it.

Ignoring the attempt at insulting my intellect I still don't see what is wrong with my point.How is marketing a female main character and possibly attracting more customers hurting anyone?

Alright, I'll spell it out. 

Marketing exists to make money. They will take whatever marketing approach they think will make the most money. It is not an excuse. It is the one and only cause and priority. The fact that you think marketing is about equality and not about making money makes you rather ignorant when it comes to.. life. 

The dudebros or old boys club or whatever you want to call them are the ones that have given them money and continued to do so. As such, EA will continue to focus on them with marketing, and will NOT try a marketing technique that may drive them away. It would be total idiocy to throw away proven customers for unproven ones. Your "rah rah social justice" sheninagins could-and have-done just that.  

The whole social justice charade is just a little thing Bioware likes to do on the side. You should be content with the fact that you can choose the gender of the avatar. That's loads more then you get with so many other developers. 

OMFG YOU SHOULD JUST BE HAPPY WITH THE CRUMBS WE ALREADY DEIGN TO GIVE YOU.  IT COULD BE WORSE!

Yes it could. Now take the arishoks advice and be grateful. 

[The Hierophant]

Why do people keep bringing up that 50% survey statistic when it makes no mention of demographics across each platform?

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Fun fact: That is false. Unless you count the Farmville mothers and the Angrybirds chicks.

Actually, it's close to true.  Regardless, female gamers aren't a "small" group - it's just males are more vocal, for obvious reasons. 

It's not even close to true not even if you indeed count the Farmville mothers and Angrybird chicks and Candy Crush girls. Even with those included, women still make up less than half of the gaming population.

Female gamers are definitely a small group. A very small group.

No, they aren't - it's just the whole male "intimidation" that makes them be less aware than they actually are. 

[cjones91]

General TSAR wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

And the % of femshep players actually dropped by 2% after Mass Effect 3, imagine that.

If Femshep had over two games worth of exposure while MaleShep had next to little then the numbers will be reversed.That's why MaleShep is considered to be the canon shep because he had over two+ games to become a icon in most gamer's minds.

[Br3admax]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....and_video_games

Is this better?

No.

Wikipedia? That's probably worse. 


http://Br3admax.com/..._make_up_facts