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[Cainhurst Crow]

d-boy15 wrote...

wikipedia...

That site isn't even accepted by high school teacher.

I dont think even elementary schools let you do that.

[Volus Warlord]

Silfren wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I don't really get why people always pull the profit excuse when it comes to not marketing games with female leads.I thought a business is supposed to include more customers instead of driving them away because of some old boy's club.

Holy ****. 

What?

Think about what you said. Just think. I know it's hard, but you should try it.

Ignoring the attempt at insulting my intellect I still don't see what is wrong with my point.How is marketing a female main character and possibly attracting more customers hurting anyone?

Alright, I'll spell it out. 

Marketing exists to make money. They will take whatever marketing approach they think will make the most money. It is not an excuse. It is the one and only cause and priority. The fact that you think marketing is about equality and not about making money makes you rather ignorant when it comes to.. life. 

The dudebros or old boys club or whatever you want to call them are the ones that have given them money and continued to do so. As such, EA will continue to focus on them with marketing, and will NOT try a marketing technique that may drive them away. It would be total idiocy to throw away proven customers for unproven ones. Your "rah rah social justice" sheninagins could-and have-done just that.  

The whole social justice charade is just a little thing Bioware likes to do on the side. You should be content with the fact that you can choose the gender of the avatar. That's loads more then you get with so many other developers. 

OMFG YOU SHOULD JUST BE HAPPY WITH THE CRUMBS WE ALREADY DEIGN TO GIVE YOU.  IT COULD BE WORSE!

Are you serious? How is it crumbs? 

How is not getting a dedicated trailer even though you have EQUAL OPTIONS WITHIN THE GAME crumbs? HOW?

EXPLAIN YOUR HYPERBOLIC REASONING DAMN IT!

[Il Divo]

J. Reezy wrote...

I'd like BioWare to go back to 2007 where the game world was the game cover. That classic Mass Effect cover where you see Saren, maybe some prothean language, a red planet, Ashley, Garrus, the Normandy, Geth, some other ships. That screamed, "Space epic". What will Drago Age scream? Or will it be a lonely tree in the forest with no one around.

^

Covers in the style of KotOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect 1.

DA:O's cover art was pretty crappy, sadly.

[addiction21]

The Hierophant wrote...

Why do people keep bringing up that 50% survey statistic when it makes no mention of demographics across each platform?

Because they think it wins them the argument.

[Silfren]

d-boy15 wrote...

wikipedia...

That site isn't even accepted by high school teacher.

Irrelevant.  There is absolutely no reason in the world to discount wikipedia articles that are properly cited.  THAT is why it is dismissed as a source by educators, but the criticism only applies to wikipedia articles that aren't actually sourced.

Modifié par Silfren, 09 février 2014 - 03:17 .

[HiroVoid]

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

And the % of femshep players actually dropped by 2% after Mass Effect 3, imagine that.

If Femshep had over two games worth of exposure while MaleShep had next to little then the numbers will be reversed.That's why MaleShep is considered to be the canon shep because he had over two+ games to become a icon in most gamer's minds.

So by that logic, you think the new Tomb Raider game only had about 20% male gamers?

[Mr.House]

Why do people always link wikipedia instead of the source?

[cjones91]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

Are you suggesting players are too dimwitted to notice the female option in the character creator and need marketting to tell them?

I dont know whether to be angry with you that you think so little of your fellow female gamers cjones, or pity you that you actually believe that garbage. 

First off I'm a dude,second I just gave a reason for why the numbers for Femshep are low because she did'nt get the kind of exposure that MaleShep received.

[The Heretic of Time]

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Fun fact: That is false. Unless you count the Farmville mothers and the Angrybirds chicks.

Actually, it's close to true.  Regardless, female gamers aren't a "small" group - it's just males are more vocal, for obvious reasons. 

It's not even close to true not even if you indeed count the Farmville mothers and Angrybird chicks and Candy Crush girls. Even with those included, women still make up less than half of the gaming population.

Female gamers are definitely a small group. A very small group.

No, they aren't - it's just the whole male "intimidation" that makes them be less aware than they actually are. 

Yes they are. And what you said doesn't even make any sense.

[Volus Warlord]

Silfren wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

wikipedia...

That site isn't even accepted by high school teacher.

Irrelevant.  There is absolutely no reason in the world to discount wikipedia articles that are properly cited.  THAT is why it is dismissed as a source by educators, but the criticism only applies to wikipedia articles that aren't actually sourced.

Irrelevant. The only people who cite wikipedia are idiots and the Federal Government.

[Il Divo]

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

And the % of femshep players actually dropped by 2% after Mass Effect 3, imagine that.

If Femshep had over two games worth of exposure while MaleShep had next to little then the numbers will be reversed.That's why MaleShep is considered to be the canon shep because he had over two+ games to become a icon in most gamer's minds.

I think this is a very bad argument.

As others have pointed out, you're vastly underestimating the intelligence of the average gamer in being able to notice the female character option on the opening screen. Unless your point is that if ME1 was marketed differently, that there would be such a large influx of female gamers to completely cancel out the male population, which is a desperate plea even given your own link.

Of course, if the numbers were reversed, we could also ask questions like "Would Mass Effect have retained a similar number of fans?"

Modifié par Il Divo, 09 février 2014 - 03:19 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

cjones91 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd think the statistic that's more relevant in this case is how many people played maleShep over femShep in ME3 despite the femShep marketing and the fact that a lot of men might've played femShep as well. I'd wager it's more than the ratio of women playing maleShep.

That's because MaleShep had two+games worth of marketing not to mention he got the lion's share of trailers while Femshep only got one.

And the % of femshep players actually dropped by 2% after Mass Effect 3, imagine that.

If Femshep had over two games worth of exposure while MaleShep had next to little then the numbers will be reversed.That's why MaleShep is considered to be the canon shep because he had over two+ games to become a icon in most gamer's minds.

Can you prove that? No? Well then, stop making statements as if you were actually stating facts and stop spouting off your misogynistic dribble.
Female gamers are too dumb to know how to pick a characters gender? They gotta be told to play women? You are a pig.

[AresKeith]

J. Reezy wrote...

I'd like BioWare to go back to 2007 where the game world was the game cover. That classic Mass Effect cover where you see Saren, maybe some prothean language, a red planet, Ashley, Garrus, the Normandy, Geth, some other ships. That screamed, "Space epic". What will Drago Age scream? Or will it be a lonely tree in the forest with no one around.

^^

[Seboist]

Can't tell which is more hysterical, the hysteria over the lack of a female version of Bioware's usual hermaphrodite blank slate protag in marketing or the smack talk against CoD and Halo as if BW's games are somehow more sophisticated(Lol).

[n7stormrunner]

Mr.House wrote...

Why do people always link wikipedia instead of the source?

wikipedia easy to find, and looking is hard?

[General TSAR]

And when she did receive more exposure the amount of femshep gamers dropped.

Weird huh?

[cjones91]

Mr.House wrote...
Why do people always link wikipedia instead of the source?

Because they will ignore sources anyway.

[slimgrin]

Seboist wrote...

Can't tell which is more hysterical, the hysteria over the lack of a female version of Bioware's usual hermaphrodite blank slate protag in marketing or the smack talk against CoD and Halo as if BW's games are somehow more sophisticated(Lol).

The former.

[spirosz]

Il Divo wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

I'd like BioWare to go back to 2007 where the game world was the game cover. That classic Mass Effect cover where you see Saren, maybe some prothean language, a red planet, Ashley, Garrus, the Normandy, Geth, some other ships. That screamed, "Space epic". What will Drago Age scream? Or will it be a lonely tree in the forest with no one around.

^

Covers in the style of KotOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect 1.

DA:O's cover art was pretty crappy, sadly.

This too.  I miss those covers greatly.  

[Cainhurst Crow]

Silfren wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

wikipedia...

That site isn't even accepted by high school teacher.

Irrelevant.  There is absolutely no reason in the world to discount wikipedia articles that are properly cited.  THAT is why it is dismissed as a source by educators, but the criticism only applies to wikipedia articles that aren't actually sourced.

Actually if you wanted to prove your point you link to the sources linked in the article and not the article itself, which can be edited by anyone and is moderated by unqualified individuals whose only expertise is really just website management. 

[spirosz]

Have the covers been released?

[ParkBom]

If the female Inquisitor gets a trailer, she'd better have a boss-ass weave.

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Yes they are. And what you said doesn't even make any sense.

Male intimidation towards females doesn't make sense?  

[Br3admax]

I would like to now say that I love each and everyone of you.

#darkthread
#needslove

As to people saying that Wikipedia can be used if it's sourced properly, no. It really can't.