472 réponses à ce sujet

[Thibax]

Then what is the best female option to appear in trailers?
What race? color skin? color hair? color eyes? class?
Because they need to choose one, at least. Since, the male version is a white male human and warrior.

[Andraste_Reborn]

That infographic showed what a insignificant minority the vocal femshep agitators on BSN were and it's a no brainer that they should focus on the male protag in the marketing.

1. We have no idea what percentage of players played a female protagonist in DAO and/or DA2. It might be lower or higher than the Mass Effect franchise. We don't have access to that information, and even if we did, it doesn't tell us what percentage of the players are female.

2. If there are fewer women than men playing (and I think that's true) then it demonstrates room for growth among female players. Isn't it rather short-sighted to aim your marketing only at the people who are already buying your product?

I don't think anyone here is raising a furore or losing sleep or whatever else has been suggested. I'm just pointing out that an annoying thing annoyed me.

[General TSAR]

Andrastee wrote...
2. If there are fewer women than men playing (and I think that's true) then it demonstrates room for growth among female players. Isn't it rather short-sighted to aim your marketing only at the people who are already buying your product?

No it's a sound business decision.

[mopotter]

Veruin wrote...

People have said a few times in this very thread, that they didn't play x game because they didn't know they could be a female protag. I don't think series or style of play matters as much when you have statements like that.

Courious, how many years have you had to play the opposite sex because there was no other option?  

One of the reasons I've played BW games for so long is the option to play either, all the way back to BG.  Diablo, Elder Scrolls these gave me options to play either male or female and let me know early on so i bought them as soon as possible.  Fall Out it was after FA 3 had been out for a year or so before I found out I could play someone sort of like me.   

I once spent about 13 hours on a Saturday playing some hunk climbing up a castle wall and Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games, but now I have choices and I like it.

[phunx]

Andrastee wrote...
1. We have no idea what percentage of players played a female protagonist in DAO and/or DA2. It might be lower or higher than the Mass Effect franchise. We don't have access to that information, and even if we did, it doesn't tell us what percentage of the players are female.

2. If there are fewer women than men playing (and I think that's true) then it demonstrates room for growth among female players. Isn't it rather short-sighted to aim your marketing only at the people who are already buying your product?

I don't think anyone here is raising a furore or losing sleep or whatever else has been suggested. I'm just pointing out that an annoying thing annoyed me.

1. The number of female players of DA games is around 30 %, from David Gaider's talk ( http://www.gamasutra...ty_in_games.php at around 16:30)

2. Yes, Gaider makes that point himself. I suggest everyone to watch that video, it's truly amazing.

[LadyRaena13]

I'm a female and I usually play games where you can choose whether or not your male or female (mainly because I like to customize my characters) BUT we already know there is a choice in this Bioware game, they've said it dozens of times that they weren't taking it away from us there for to me when talking about the game who cares if he refers to the Inquisitor as a male, that's how Cameron Lee and the creators see there character. Would it be nice to have some advertised femquisitors? Yeah totally BUT it's not necessary

[mopotter]

Thibax wrote...

Then what is the best female option to appear in trailers?
What race? color skin? color hair? color eyes? class?
Because they need to choose one, at least. Since, the male version is a white male human and warrior.

Actually, I don't think they should choose either.  They can do a lot with computer programs now a days.  Take a scene from the game and morph that character showing the options the player can have, Sure, start out as a white male human warrior with ponytail hair white as snow,  then morph into an elven male archer, morphing into an elven female carrying a sword at her side morphing into a redheaded mage, into a male mage with scars into.... the options are endless.  And say something about the game letting you be the inquisitor you want to be in a world you can help or destroy.  or whatever you can do.   

[Andraste_Reborn]

phunx wrote...


1. The number of female players of DA games is around 30 %, from David Gaider's talk ( http://www.gamasutra...ty_in_games.php at around 16:30)

2. Yes, Gaider makes that point himself. I suggest everyone to watch that video, it's truly amazing.

It is! And I somehow managed to forget that he gave us a percentage there. Clearly I need to watch it all over again. Thanks for the link.

[Drone223]

@OP These sort of threads tend to end up getting locked, but regarding the topic I'm all for female PC's being promoted in advertising just be patient.

Modifié par Drone223, 07 février 2014 - 03:35 .

[mopotter]

LadyRaena13 wrote...

I'm a female and I usually play games where you can choose whether or not your male or female (mainly because I like to customize my characters) BUT we already know there is a choice in this Bioware game, they've said it dozens of times that they weren't taking it away from us there for to me when talking about the game who cares if he refers to the Inquisitor as a male, that's how Cameron Lee and the creators see there character. Would it be nice to have some advertised femquisitors? Yeah totally BUT it's not necessary

Yes, we know, and I'm not concerned about us.  Sure it would be nice to see a trailer with a women I could put on my facebook page yelling - THIS IS WHAT I'M PLAYING, but I'll do that after I pick up the game. At least for me, the important issue is they may still decide to ignore those new female players who don't hang out here.  Those players who like to read fantasy and see something about the game, or even pick up Dragon Age Asunder, which was a great book,  then see a trailer for DA I.  But they have no way of knowing they can play a female so don't check any further and pick up something else probably not as good.

[Chanda]

I'd be happy if they copied what Mass Effect 3 had for their boxes. And create an ad trailer for the femquisitor.

[Chanda]

mopotter wrote...

Thibax wrote...

Then what is the best female option to appear in trailers?
What race? color skin? color hair? color eyes? class?
Because they need to choose one, at least. Since, the male version is a white male human and warrior.

Actually, I don't think they should choose either.  They can do a lot with computer programs now a days.  Take a scene from the game and morph that character showing the options the player can have, Sure, start out as a white male human warrior with ponytail hair white as snow,  then morph into an elven male archer, morphing into an elven female carrying a sword at her side morphing into a redheaded mage, into a male mage with scars into.... the options are endless.  And say something about the game letting you be the inquisitor you want to be in a world you can help or destroy.  or whatever you can do.   

This is an awesome idea. Bioware's marketing people should take notice.

[Fast Jimmy]

Chanda wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Thibax wrote...

Then what is the best female option to appear in trailers?
What race? color skin? color hair? color eyes? class?
Because they need to choose one, at least. Since, the male version is a white male human and warrior.

Actually, I don't think they should choose either.  They can do a lot with computer programs now a days.  Take a scene from the game and morph that character showing the options the player can have, Sure, start out as a white male human warrior with ponytail hair white as snow,  then morph into an elven male archer, morphing into an elven female carrying a sword at her side morphing into a redheaded mage, into a male mage with scars into.... the options are endless.  And say something about the game letting you be the inquisitor you want to be in a world you can help or destroy.  or whatever you can do.   

This is an awesome idea. Bioware's marketing people should take notice.

Especially if they could make the white human male with the ponytail hair that is white as snow also have yellow eyes...

[s17tabris]

The only reason why I'm interested in seeing a female inquisitor in trailers, etc. is to see how the female armors would look like in the game.

Silly looking female armors + mod unfriendly engine = not interested in buying

[HiddenInWar]

Chanda wrote...

I'd be happy if they copied what Mass Effect 3 had for their boxes. And create an ad trailer for the femquisitor.

This. I loved the flippable cover idea.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Oh, not this again.

You can play 4 different races, each with male and female variants and we want to promote a Female Inquisitors.

If anything, I would rather Bioware promote the fact that you can be either one of those 4 different race because according to ME3 gameplay surveys, plenty people actually just used default settings for their Shepards. Which is a shame because you can customize their class, looks, backstory.

Additionally, we never had 4 playable races before.

Promoting that would benefit DA:I a lot more than promoting Female Inquisitors. Just saying. Multiple race options including the Qunari are in for DA:I, its a big thing, it adds variety and so should be promoted more.

[KaiserShep]

arr0whead wrote...

The only reason why I'm interested in seeing a female inquisitor in trailers, etc. is to see how the female armors would look like in the game.

Silly looking female armors + mod unfriendly engine = not interested in buying

If DA2 is any indication, I don't think the armor design for female characters will be silly at all. It was vastly improved over DA:O's general lineup. The Seeker armor, which I guess is the same exact design for the guard commander armor that Aveline wears is pretty good. I don't know what the deal will be for mages, but the mages were always just robes anyway.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 février 2014 - 05:20 .

[Battlebloodmage]

The Sin wrote...

Oh, not this again.

You can play 4 different races, each with male and female variants and we want to promote a Female Inquisitors.

If anything, I would rather Bioware promote the fact that you can be either one of those 4 different race because according to ME3 gameplay surveys, plenty people actually just used default settings for their Shepards. Which is a shame because you can customize their class, looks, backstory.

Additionally, we never had 4 playable races before.

Promoting that would benefit DA:I a lot more than promoting Female Inquisitors. Just saying. Multiple race options including the Qunari are in for DA:I, its a big thing, it adds variety and so should be promoted more.

A lot of people stated that it's a lot harder to make your character look as attractive as the default. They're using a freaking model for the face afterall.

Their Shep:



Your Shep:



https://encrypted-tb...x9eggpAJ3tf8alA
Going by statistic, didn't Bioware report that human is the most popular choice? Those who care about playable race would already have knowledge of it through other means besides advertisement. Advertisement is often being used to promote the games to those who either don't know about the game or don't have any interest about the game beforehand, so playable races wouldn't mean that much to them. It could be a hook, but maybe the storyline and gameplay would have better results. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 07 février 2014 - 05:28 .

[Chanda]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Chanda wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Thibax wrote...

Then what is the best female option to appear in trailers?
What race? color skin? color hair? color eyes? class?
Because they need to choose one, at least. Since, the male version is a white male human and warrior.

Actually, I don't think they should choose either.  They can do a lot with computer programs now a days.  Take a scene from the game and morph that character showing the options the player can have, Sure, start out as a white male human warrior with ponytail hair white as snow,  then morph into an elven male archer, morphing into an elven female carrying a sword at her side morphing into a redheaded mage, into a male mage with scars into.... the options are endless.  And say something about the game letting you be the inquisitor you want to be in a world you can help or destroy.  or whatever you can do.   

This is an awesome idea. Bioware's marketing people should take notice.

Especially if they could make the white human male with the ponytail hair that is white as snow also have yellow eyes...

I meant that the morphing into different Inquisitor characters was awesome, not the Geralt look-a-like.

[leaguer of one]

Starsyn wrote...

Veruin wrote...

This sh-t again?

The OP has a valid point, but it is a frequent topic.  Fair warning to the OP: These threads rarely end well.  I fully support female PC in marketing and have debated passionately on the subject.  I know I'm not alone on this, and neither are you.  Just grab your flame retardant suit and be prepared.

Why is this a valid point? This really does not matter. This won't change your mind about getting the game or have an effect to how you play it.

It would be just me3's femshep all over agein.

[Lord Watson]

It's valid that the OP feels the marketing isn't making much of a priority in promoting femquisitor.

She has a point, whether you agree with it or not. There has been at least one response on here indicating that someone passed on a game because they didn't know they could play a female PC. I didn't pour through every response so there may have been more.

Personally, I don't care if the PC is male/female or if the ads promote one or the other. I'll play/create female PCs as much as male. That said, I'm not a female who's been forced to play male PCs or objectified female PCs.

Modifié par Lord Watson, 07 février 2014 - 07:43 .

[Chanda]

discosuperfly wrote...

OP has a valid point regarding new players to the DA series being made aware of the possibility of playing as a either gender. I play mostly female characters and avoid purchasing games that restrict my PC's gender to male, which is why I avoided buying ME for quite some time because I wasn't aware Shep could also be female.

I'd like to point out that I also held off on purchasing ME for a very long time. While the game looked pretty cool on the tv ads, I had no idea that I could play as a female (which I always play as a female, or else I don't buy the game if that option isn't there.) until I was watching a friend play it, and they made a new character. I noticed the option to create a female Shep, and then I purchased the game a few weeks later. But note that the game had already been out for like 2-3 years. So that was poor advertising on Bioware's part. They need to make a point in their advertisements that players can choose what gender they want to play.

[Ashelsu]

ME was the second Bioware's game I played after KOTOR (which I loved), and I found out that you can play as female PC only during creation screen. Until then, it was Sheploo here, there and everywhere. I was so sick of him, that I never played default male Shepard afterwards. That said, I would play ME even without gender choice, because I like RPGs and sci-fi and my PC is not me (aka self-insert). But I can understand it can be a problem for other people.
I like the idea of having multiPC trailer, something like in Origins intro where Duncan tells you about Grey Wardens and you can see that they come in all races and genders. I'm curious to see how Qunari, Elves and Dwarves look in the new engine. And please, don't concentrate on one default PC with iconic look and force us to play him or her (hello, DA2 prologue). But I suppose it's too early for such thing, the game still has at least 6 months to develop. And obviously they started with a human male as a template and he is just most ready at this moment.

Modifié par Ashelsu, 07 février 2014 - 08:06 .

[SirGladiator]

That's the key point, it's such a great feature, and yet so many people just don't know about it. Of course all of us know that if it's a Bioware game, it's got male and female options, it's just a given. But we aren't most people, and it's most people who need to learn that. So ultimately, while obviously there's a lot of us who would like to see just as much promotion of the female inquisitor as the male inquisitor, what is most important is that there be at least 'enough' promotion of her so that people know that she exists as an option. Once people know that, they'll buy the game, and that's the point of marketing/promoting any game after all.

[Star fury]

Covi wrote...

It was based on ME3, and you could play a female Shepard since ME1. You can find the infographic here: http://images.vg247....infographic.jpg

So according to Bioware data a number of female players declined from ME2 to ME3(20% to 18%). It's funny how some bsn posters argue that female gamers consist a half of playerbase.