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[happy_daiz]

KaiserShep wrote...

I doubt there would be any confusion. Mass Effect 3's marketing didn't confuse anyone, even though ME and ME2 never showed femshep in any game trailers.

And you can prove that ME3's marketing didn't confuse anyone...how?

My point was simply that I'd want BW to focus on what they're trying to relay, instead of having to worry about pleasing fans with their marketing. I'd rather them spend their time on pleasing fans with their game.

[Giggles_Manically]

Just do what the DAO trailer had with all the races/class combos walking beside Duncan.

Show from the start how much selection you have with your game and BOOM suddenly you have your issue solved.

Unless some moron thinks that the player character is a shape shifter or something.

[RedArmyShogun]

Yes stop encouraging the spread of consumerism you Capitalist swine in human clothing, Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world!

[nightcobra]

 Would be cool/funny if they did a trailer depicting some peasants from some backwater village talking about the inquisitor inside a tavern.

peasant 1: you know, i've been thinking...

peasant 2: now that's a first

peasant 1: sod off, i mean...i'm thinking of joining the inquisition

peasant 3: wha-? why would you ever want to do that?

peasant 1: i want to make a difference you know? These days everyone keeps complaining about the mages, templars and demons while they're the only ones that actually do something about it.

peasant 2: are you daft or just plain stupid? Do you really think you can survive all that, besides i heard rumors that the Inquisitor is just another noble ponce.

peasant 3: i heard he was an elf, and a mage at that. 

peasant 4: are you all addled in the head? a friend of mine saw him once clear as day, a stout dwarven warrior that one is.

peasant 5: there's also rumors that he's one of those horned grey-skins.

peasant 1: wasn't the inquisitor a woman?

peasant 2: now you're just being ridiculous

[KaiserShep]

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Yes stop encouraging the spread of consumerism you Capitalist swine in human clothing, Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world!

The truth is out there.

[happy_daiz]

And now I have the X-Files theme song in my head.

TipsLeFedora wrote...

A better question would be "do you people really care about marketing?" If this game had bad marketing would that stop you from buying it?

Probably not, but this isn't my first BioWare rodeo. Previous games might stop me. Distinterest might stop me. Bad reviews might stop me. But bad marketing? Meh.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 07 février 2014 - 03:00 .

[superdeathdealer14]

Here is an idea: BioWare can do something similar to ME3 and have both male and female Inquisitor in trailers, concept art etc. or you can just not give a damn about what gender they use in their trailers.

[syllogi]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

A better question would be "do you people really care about marketing?" If this game had bad marketing would that stop you from buying it?

I bought DA2 despite what I considered a really alarming and discouraging marketing campaign (for the most part), but I would be considered a diehard fan.  Most of the regulars in this forum will be all over any and all marketing, so yeah, I think most people here care, and while a majority won't be put off by bad marketing, the rep DA2 had, plus a bad marketing campaign for DA:I could cut into sales, especially the all important first week sales.  Poor sales could hurt the franchise (see: Jade Empire), which would make us diehard fans sad.

Personally, I was fine with the DA:O marketing, but if they used an Inquisitor as the "face" of the game who wasn't a dark haired white human male with some stubble/beard, I'd be pleasantly surprised by the innovation.

Also, I want to see lots of female qunaris in the marketing.  Because.

[In Exile]

ruggly wrote...

How is it hard?  All you have to do is plug the name of the game into the google search bar to find out more about it.  I've done that with plenty of games I don't know much about.  The whole point of research is to find out more about the game to see if you might like things that they didn't show.

But why would you do that? Based on what I heard about COD, I have no interest in finding out more about it. That's how marketing/product searches work. It's not as if there's some incredible lack of RPGs or that video games are so cheap that people are just out there constantly looking for replacaments.

[mopotter]

ruggly wrote...

mopotter wrote...
It's very hard to research a game you don't know you will like.

How is it hard?  All you have to do is plug the name of the game into the google search bar to find out more about it.  I've done that with plenty of games I don't know much about.  The whole point of research is to find out more about the game to see if you might like things that they didn't show.

I'm a female gamer myself, and I purchased Mass Effect before I even knew you could play as a female because it looked interesting just from the Steam store.

That's great.  I actually do some research, but I prefer to talk to other people who play the same style of games I do.   I had seen information on Borderland on a web site and I did research, looking at their site and while I liked that i could play a female or male character,  it didn't look interesting to me.  But someone i talk about games with said it was fun so I picked up a copy and enjoyed it.   

I would have skipped ME if I hadn't been here.  I don't like shooters and no research back in '07, that I saw, gave me any idea that I would be interested in it or that I could play Fem Shepard.  The only reason I got it was because i spent way too much time here:), and because Chris made a comment about BioWares track record plus I loved all the past games I've played by them.  

That said, I will skip any game that forces me to be one sex or the other.   I'm not interested in a set character and actually BioWare and Bethesda are the main reason for this.    Luckily I've been finding more games that give me this option.  The only game I currently have with just a female option is the most recent Tomb Raiders and the only one with just a male option was The Force Unleashed and both were gifts.  

Dragon Age Inquisitor looks good, and eventually things like youtube will show the female inquisitor so word will get out.  It just makes no sense to ignore the potential for new female games before the game is out, first day sales and pre-orders are important to companies and they are just shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring potential buyers, who like me, aren't interested in playing a male character 100% of the time.  Sorry, now I'm rambling.  Back to work.

[Star fury]

So, do blondes female gamers play games because of their quality? Or do they play a game just because there is a female protagonist there?

Modifié par Star fury, 07 février 2014 - 04:08 .

[KaiserShep]

Star fury wrote...

So, do blondes female gamers play games because of their quality? Or do they play a game just because there is a female protagonist there?

My spidey senses detect a veiled insult in there somewhere.

Anyway, I'm not sure that I would consider this a very fair question. A feature like being able to choose the protagonist's gender may be something that adds considerably to the experience for some players. This is especially true when factoring in multiple playthroughs, where the difference in gender could even have appreciable differences in the way NPC's interact with the character, even if such instances are subtle and few and far between. How this feature is handled also factors into the quality of the game. Aside from that, it's something that can determine whether or not the game is worth picking up in the first place, while the quality is unknown at that point.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 février 2014 - 04:22 .

[ruggly]

mopotter wrote...
That's great.  I actually do some research, but I prefer to talk to other people who play the same style of games I do.   I had seen information on Borderland on a web site and I did research, looking at their site and while I liked that i could play a female or male character,  it didn't look interesting to me.  But someone i talk about games with said it was fun so I picked up a copy and enjoyed it.   

I would have skipped ME if I hadn't been here.  I don't like shooters and no research back in '07, that I saw, gave me any idea that I would be interested in it or that I could play Fem Shepard.  The only reason I got it was because i spent way too much time here:), and because Chris made a comment about BioWares track record plus I loved all the past games I've played by them.  

That said, I will skip any game that forces me to be one sex or the other.   I'm not interested in a set character and actually BioWare and Bethesda are the main reason for this.    Luckily I've been finding more games that give me this option.  The only game I currently have with just a female option is the most recent Tomb Raiders and the only one with just a male option was The Force Unleashed and both were gifts.  

Dragon Age Inquisitor looks good, and eventually things like youtube will show the female inquisitor so word will get out.  It just makes no sense to ignore the potential for new female games before the game is out, first day sales and pre-orders are important to companies and they are just shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring potential buyers, who like me, aren't interested in playing a male character 100% of the time.  Sorry, now I'm rambling.  Back to work.

Fair enough. I prefer playing as a female as well if the option is there, but having a set male protagonist doesn't really bother me. 

[ruggly]

In Exile wrote...

ruggly wrote...

How is it hard?  All you have to do is plug the name of the game into the google search bar to find out more about it.  I've done that with plenty of games I don't know much about.  The whole point of research is to find out more about the game to see if you might like things that they didn't show.

But why would you do that? Based on what I heard about COD, I have no interest in finding out more about it. That's how marketing/product searches work. It's not as if there's some incredible lack of RPGs or that video games are so cheap that people are just out there constantly looking for replacaments.

I don't know, maybe because I want to find out more about the game?  If you have no interest, then whatever, but if I have an interest in the game or if I am unsure about it, I'll look it up to find out more.

[Kymera X]

For me doesn't matter as long they show some cc footage with female, cuz they have always better options.

[In Exile]

ruggly wrote...
I don't know, maybe because I want to find out more about the game?  If you have no interest, then whatever, but if I have an interest in the game or if I am unsure about it, I'll look it up to find out more.

My point is just that interest comes first. So if gender is important to a consumer, not knowing about it might be the thing that cuts off their interest. 

Modifié par In Exile, 07 février 2014 - 04:36 .

[General TSAR]

Quill74Pen wrote...
A good business does indeed cater to its existing customer base — but it's also always looking to expand that base. And, the fact is, more and more women are becoming gamers every year.

True, but if this is also true:

So according to Bioware data a number of female players declined from ME2 to ME3(20% to 18%).

Then it is better to focus on the existing customer base.

Modifié par General TSAR, 07 février 2014 - 05:00 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

It's awkward and absurd to say "he... or her!" every time they talk about the game. All they should do is put chicks in with the dudes in the character creator trailer and everyone who cares about the game will know what's up.

[Lulupab]

That doesn't necessarily mean all male players make and play male characters often.

[TurretSyndrome]

There are already plenty of artworks with female inquisitors, but a trailer helps bring in more female gamers to the game I guess.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 07 février 2014 - 05:05 .

[ruggly]

In Exile wrote...

ruggly wrote...
I don't know, maybe because I want to find out more about the game?  If you have no interest, then whatever, but if I have an interest in the game or if I am unsure about it, I'll look it up to find out more.

My point is just that interest comes first. So if gender is important to a consumer, not knowing about it might be the thing that cuts off their interest. 

Perhaps, but I've looked up games that only show male protags to see if a female is an option as well.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.  If a female protag option is that important to you, more power and such, but it doesn't bother me as much as it does others.

But if people know anything about BioWare, then they'll likely know that BioWare pretty much always offers gamers to play as a female protagonist.

[Beerfish]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

A better question would be "do you people really care about marketing?" If this game had bad marketing would that stop you from buying it?

I cringed at the 'this is the new s***' video from BioWare but the game and the company are on my A list so it didn't stop me.

However B list games for me such as Dead Space, I purposely did not buy DS 2 because of the marketing.  I had bought and enjoyed for the most part DS1 but the marketing for the 2nd one annoyed me so much it went from a very likely buy to a no way.

[KaiserShep]

General TSAR wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...
A good business does indeed cater to its existing customer base — but it's also always looking to expand that base. And, the fact is, more and more women are becoming gamers every year.

True, but if this is also true:

So according to Bioware data a number of female players declined from ME2 to ME3(20% to 18%).

Then it is better to focus on the existing customer base.

I don't really have the business acumen to weigh in on this in a big way, but it seems to me that sticking steadfast to the existing user base doesn't really look all that good long term. After all, growth matters right along with customer loyalty, and you won't grow unless you cast a wider net.