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[CosmicGnosis]

It's not actually clear whether or not the Catalyst survives the destruction of the Citadel, but if it does, will Synthesis grant it organic emotions? Now wouldn't that be something to behold? The Catalyst would realize what it has done, and probably start crying like a baby.

So if you want to "punish" the Catalyst, choose Synthesis! 

[Han Shot First]

Given that the Catalyst is a fairly reliable narrator for detailing the immediate effects of the various ending choices, he most likely survives Synthesis. Control and Destroy are the only ending choices where he specifically states that he'll be replaced or destroyed. On that note, no wonder he prefers Synthesis.

[shodiswe]

The Catalyst dies in Synthesis, (the part where the Citadel explodes). The Reapers are freed of it's control.

[jstme]

What emotions have to do with understanding? And what understanding has to do with ultra vague green magic of synthesis?
And even if it gets free "emotions" patch,maybe Catalyst gets lucky and will get Vorcha emotions? "Killing many,killing organic life,me iz great warrior,I r awesome,grarrrgh!" kind of thing.

[katamuro]

Nope synthesis as every other option simply forces the Starbrat to do what shepard chooses and probably gets destroyed in the process.

[AlexMBrennan]

Why? After all, choosing synthesis acknowledges that Catalyst's actions, whilst hardly ideal, where necessary. That's like saying cardiac surgeons will cry over all the lives they saved with pacemakers when artificial transplant hearts become available.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I find the idea of the Reapers suddenly empathizing with organic emotions totally hilarious, to be honest. Absurd. Ludicrous.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 07 février 2014 - 03:26 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

 I think it's got nothing to do with "organic emotions." Synthetics/AI just learn and communicate things differently.

Synthetics, going off of Legion's loyalty-mission, communicate through rapid data-exchange. But between organic and synthetic, that's not doable. Only audio communication is, which is "inefficient" (as said by Legion to EDI, per SB files).

So I don't think the Green ending makes them suddenly "get it", it just allows them to learn/communicate with us their way.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 07 février 2014 - 03:40 .

[CrutchCricket]

lol yes, it makes it understand the horrors of being harvested, the stagnation it just thrust upon the galaxy and the giant violation of free will it just goaded Shepard in to. As a result it starts harvesting this cycle and all cycles after it until it can find a solution to restore life to the way it was.

gg

[FlyingSquirrel]

The Catalyst doesn't seem to have much of a self-preservation instinct, so it might just shut itself down in Synthesis, given that it thinks Synthesis is the ideal solution (meaning it's fulfilled its purpose and is no longer needed). OTOH, maybe it would stick around if its perspective is changed as you suggest. I assume that it releases the Reapers and that they are assisting of their own will in the Synthesis epilogue.

Modifié par FlyingSquirrel, 07 février 2014 - 04:47 .

[General TSAR]

Nope, it has been tainted by low quality writing.

[cap and gown]

This seems like a way to canonize destroy even for people who picked synthesis: the catalyst and reapers suddenly develop a guilty conscience and commit suicide, while the implants everyone got stop working.

[CronoDragoon]

I never took Synthesis to mean synthetics develop chemical emotions so....no I guess.

[Han Shot First]

shodiswe wrote...

The Catalyst dies in Synthesis, (the part where the Citadel explodes). The Reapers are freed of it's control.

Head canon.

The Citadel explodes in Control as well, but Catalyst 2.0 (a.k.a. the Sheplyst) isn't destroyed. Why is Synthesis different? Also the Catalyst is one with the Reapers as well, they are not separate entities. There is no guarantee that the Catalyst would be destroyed along with the Citadel if the Reapers were not also destroyed. Take the Geth as an example. Destroy an individual Geth and his consciousness simply uploads to servers elsewhere in the galaxy.

Synthesizers wanting the Catalyst to be dead in their playthrough is like Destroyers claiming EDI and the Geth aren't destroyed in theirs. If you chose Synthesis, you're stuck with the Catalyst.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 février 2014 - 07:54 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

I always found the Synthesis idea of Synthetics gaining 'understanding' of Organics a hand wave to explain why it is some how a solution. The AI in the game seem fairly understanding of Organics already, if not more so than Organics of different species.

[CrutchCricket]

Han Shot First wrote...

The Citadel explodes in Control as well

lol no it doesn't. Check again.

[SwobyJ]

N7 - Catalyst only really makes it in Control. In what exact form, I dunno... but it'd probably the more true to what we've seen.

Hope - Synthesis is something else, something new. Possibly maintained the Catalyst in some newer form though.

Soldier - Destroy is death of Catalyst. Or at least, it won't be as it was and I don't see it taking a new form.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 08 février 2014 - 12:14 .

[Obadiah]

Is emotion really a punishment? What if it gets emotion and turns out to be a sadomasochist?

Modifié par Obadiah, 08 février 2014 - 02:57 .

[Han Shot First]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The Citadel explodes in Control as well

lol no it doesn't. Check again.

A blue explosion erupts out of it and then gets beamed all over the galaxy by the Mass Effect relays. The Citadel shows more visible damage in Destroy and Synthesis, but in all endings the Citadel gets blasted with a different color blast wave.

[CrutchCricket]

Han Shot First wrote...

A blue explosion erupts out of it and then gets beamed all over the galaxy by the Mass Effect relays. The Citadel shows more visible damage in Destroy and Synthesis, but in all endings the Citadel gets blasted with a different color blast wave.

*sigh.

Y u no lookup vid?

Times of note:
8:21 blue wave starts (interestingly it's missing the first wave shot where we can see the whole citadel and the fleets are leaving)
8:30 blue wave spreads
9:48 Citadel closes intact
10:00 blue wave (as opposed to beam) reaches relay. Relay animations then go back to RGB recycling.

As opposed to the red and green beam firings which happen after their waves. The beams are the only things that damage the Citadel and relays. You know, because "art".

This difference was even around in the original endings.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Han Shot First wrote...


Synthesizers wanting the Catalyst to be dead in their playthrough is like Destroyers claiming EDI and the Geth aren't destroyed in theirs. If you chose Synthesis, you're stuck with the Catalyst.

There's absolutely no evidence in the endings to support your claim that the Catalyst is around post-Synthesis -- no sign of that clearly indicates he's still around. You've concluded this based solely off the fact he favors this option most, missing the point his of preferences entirely: he likes it because it's the ideal solution for the task he was assigned.

A task that in no way requires him to be alive to be solved ideally.

BTW, shodiswe is not a "synthesizer."

[CronoDragoon]

The burden of proof is on people to show that he's destroyed, since it's never suggested he is.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The Reapers are still around post-Synthesis, it makes sense for the Catalyst to still be around as well. There is also nothing to suggest that he was destroyed.

[His Name was HYR!!]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The burden of proof is on people to show that he's destroyed, since it's never suggested he is.

In the original ending, the Citadel blows up in the Green ending, unlike Blue. I would take that to mean he is dead.

Extended Cut actually seems to undo that and make it ambiguous/open to interpretation (even though Green is also the only epilogue that does not show rebuilt/renewed Citadel and mass-relays). Smells like deliberately-placed fodder for "deception"-nonsense theories to me (or for staunch pro-Destroy arguments, as the case may be). In any case, I pretty much leave it at that: we cannot know if the Catalyst survives or dies. Anyone claiming as much has no solid evidence.


This much, however, is absolutely clear to me: whatever his fate, the Reapers are no longer under his control.