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[Hellion Rex]

I saw it was a lion, but I didn't know what it was from.

O_O

 

That...was my childhood.

[Heimdall]

I'm not sure why anyone would think either the history written by the victor or the history kept by the bitter loser would be superior. Their both highly biased.

[Heimdall]

O_O
 
That...was my childhood.

Me too, me too...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm not sure why anyone would think either the history written by the victor or the history kept by the bitter loser would be superior. Their both highly biased.

 

 

In case words are too small:

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."

[LobselVith8]

I wouldn't say EVERY Andrastian human is a racist. There's been a few that are ahead of the curve in tolerance and equal rights.

 

True, since Alistair and Anora are rather progressive leaders who want to help the elves and the mages. Leliana is even willing to re-think certain things after her discussion with the elven Warden about how elves are treated in Orlais. Anders thinks that the elves should rise up with the mages to fight for their rights, given their plight.

[MisterJB]

You don't know Red Crossing is unaffiliated. Again, neither one us knows the truth about what happened to start the war.

Actually, we do know that, at the very least.

Red Crossing, as an orlesian town, is unaffiliated with the international organization that is the Chantry. Orlais and the Chantry are two separate groups and even had there been incursion by Templars, the Dales would have still started the war with, specifically, Orlais by strucking the first blow against the nation itself.

 

Of course, to the elves, a human is a human regardless of affiliation. If they are at conflict with humans, they see that as a war against humanity itself. Hence why they say "the humans started the war" rather than "the Chantry started the war" or "Orlais started the war".

[BlueMagitek]

Every andrastian human in the game is a racist, so that's a non-variable, and irrelevant. Oral history and written history are of different value only when the written history is objective. There's nothing objective in a victor writing history. Thus, there's no reason to attribute greater authority to the andrastian history, especially when they love their elven, mage, and tranquil slaves ever so much.

 

The second statement I find baffling. What are you basing that on? Sounds like you pulled it out of your ass. 

 

Yes, but they aren't bitter.   That you consider oral history to be anywhere near reliable is laughable.  The victor writing and recording history happens in real life because the losers refuse to acknowledge what they've done (look at Japan's documentation of World War 2).  But I guess we should just accept their "no, no, that didn't happen, lol" oral history as a fact right?

 

Funny you should say that because I (and presumably anyone who has played DA2) can prove you wrong with one example.  You mean how Mage Hawke (or Blood Mage Hawke, even) can run around Kirkwall casting spells in front of Templars without any problems?  I'm sure most mages can do that. 

[MisterJB]

Lol, is this the same Anora who, due to food shortages, cracked down hard on elven rioters?

[EmissaryofLies]

Fine....if you all must insist. 

 

While not every Andrastian Human is technically racist, they certainly practice it enough. While an elf might call a Human a shemlen and disdain them in general, it is the humans who actively practice their bigotry.Whether its forcing them into ghettos and purging them like a disease if they get uppity or hunting the dalish down like dogs for simply staying near a human settlement. 

 

I can understand how one can write Andrastian humans off as racist bigots. 

[Hellion Rex]

Lol, is this the same Anora who, due to food shortages, cracked down hard on elven rioters?

Oh God, you survived the purging of the Old BSN...

[Hellion Rex]

 

In case words are too small:

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."

Absolutely perfect usage of anime.

[MisterJB]

Fine....if you all must insist. 

 

While not every Andrastian Human is technically racist, they certainly practice it enough. While an elf might call a Human a shemlen and disdain them in general, it is the humans who actively practice their bigotry.Whether its forcing them into ghettos and purging them like a disease if they get uppity or hunting the dalish down like dogs for simply staying near a human settlement. 

 

I can understand how one can write Andrastian humans off as racist bigots. 

While the greater power humans hold do allow them to indulge their racist tendencies in more overt ways, that does not mean the same tendencies do not exist among the elves. Theirs are just more covert.

For instance, they are not forced into the alienages; at least not officially; in fact, codex entries written by alienage elders praise their walls for keeping the "shemlen" out. And then there were the riots that occured when Soris married a human woman.

[MisterJB]

Oh God, you survived the purging of the Old BSN...

You know you missed me.

[Master Warder Z_]

Government without representation of the governed is not legitimate. If the Chantry purports to govern mages, then mages must be allowed into the Chantry government without discrimination.

 

Plenty of modern day governments and plenty in history of both Thedas and this world disagree with that assessment xil.

 

Ironically enough?

 

Your buddies over in the Imperium are one of them.

[Hellion Rex]

You know you missed me.

I had wondered when you would resurrect yourself, Lannister.

[BlueMagitek]

I had wondered when you would resurrect yourself, Lannister.

 

You never showed such concern over me.  Meanie.   

[Master Warder Z_]

I had wondered when you would resurrect yourself, Lannister.

 

Tywin for King 2018!

[Hellion Rex]

Your buddies over in the Imperium are one of them.

Explain your logic there, cause you lost me.

[MisterJB]

I had wondered when you would resurrect yourself, Lannister.

By the power of the one true God R'hllor, of course.

For the night is dark and full of terrors.

[Hellion Rex]

You never showed such concern over me.  Meanie. 

I had expected one such as you to survive, with your exceptional character.

 

However, I had wondered if JB's demonic presence would perish in the midst of Ms. Merizan's Holy BSN Purge.

[Master Warder Z_]

Explain your logic there, cause you lost me.

 

The Imperium buys into the Logic of their own interpretation of how the Chantles that state the Prophets will of how to view the usage of magic.

 

That it should be used to assist the rulers of men as much as possible; Now do you believe there are say non mages in the Senate? That there have been any non mage Archons in the past what? seven centuries?

 

The Populace they rule over isn't entirely mage based, it isn't even half mage based if we are getting specific. so by Xil's own admission those who do not grant admission of the populace into government, their rule isn't legitimate. The Imperium is a mage ruled society with a majority of non mages living there.

 

All i meant was that how if you apply that standard then most Nations fall short.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

 

In case words are too small:

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."

 

 

Absolutely perfect usage of anime.

Thanks. It is probably one of my favorites from my collection. Too bad I can't put it in my signature, but at least I can put the words.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I had expected one such as you to survive, with your exceptional character.

 

However, I had wondered if JB's demonic presence would perish in the midst of Ms. Merizan's Holy BSN Purge.

You cannot have good without evil Mr. Eluvianx

[EmissaryofLies]

While the greater power humans hold do allow them to indulge their racist tendencies in more overt ways, that does not mean the same tendencies do not exist among the elves. Theirs are just more covert.

For instance, they are not forced into the alienages; at least not officially; in fact, codex entries written by alienage elders praise their walls for keeping the "shemlen" out. And then there were the riots that occured when Soris married a human woman.

 

They aren't forced into alienages but what other options do they realistically have? Maybe the Dalish, whom some consider to be mythical? Or go on the lam and hope for a better place like the elven family in the city elf origin? They're stuck between a rock and hard place while the humans look down their noses and take 'liberties' with them. 

 

Also some of the covert tendencies of elves are motivated by revenge. Like the elves' sister who was raped in DAII while the guards did nothing about it. I wouldn't have you believe that the elves are all rainbows and sunshine but they honestly have little reason to be. 

[Hellion Rex]

By the power of the one true God R'hllor, of course.

For the night is dark and full of terrors.

Never fear the darkness, childe. Sleep in the cold embrace of the Great Other.