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[mandalorian sun]

As a human kit enthusiast, i have a question. Since BSN is the only way to get a pulse on this ****, I want to know if all N7 kits are regarded as better than their standard counterparts, or if there are standard kits that, in the BSN opinion, rise up and knucklepunch their supposedly more elite counterparts. 

For clarity the matchups are:
Vanilla Adept vs. Fury
Vanilla Soldier vs. Destroyer
Vanilla Engineer vs. Demolisher
Vanilla Sentinel vs. Paladin
Vanilla Infiltrator vs. Shadow
Novaguard vs. Slayer

Personally, i think the sentinel, soldier and vanguard make good cases. 

[Deerber]

The infiltator is much better. The soldier is different, and it might be argued that it's better. The engineer is very different, with no clear cut as to which one is better, in my opinion.

As for the others, n7 win.

Modifié par Deerber, 08 février 2014 - 09:12 .

[TheNightSlasher]

Vanillas > N7

[Supreme Leech]

Fury and original adepts are all very powerful. On host, the fury wins.

Destroyer is way better than the original soldiers.

The original engineers are better for me than the demolisher.

Paladin is way better than the human sentinels. He's a very powerful engineer, whereas the human sentinels are mediocre biotic characters.

Novaguard versus slayer...that's a very tough one. I would say they're evenly matched.

[Evil]

The N7's are specialists, and as such are all very good at what they do.

The vanilla humans are perhaps more generalist in nature, but they're very good too once you find a build and play-style that suits you.

The vanilla kits often serve as a tutorial for the basics of how to play a kit, then many players abandon them once they get other options.

But returning to them once you've gotten better at the game can be quite rewarding, I'd advise anyone who hasn't done so to try it.

[Tokenusername]

Power creep.

/thread

[mandalorian sun]

Deerber wrote...

The infiltator is much better. The soldier is different, and it might be argued that it's better. The engineer is very different, with no clear cut as to which one is better, in my opinion.

As for the others, n7 win.

Really, the infiltrator? Thats probably the one where i feel the shadow, more than any of the other matchups, outclasses. As a melee kit, the shadow is insane, it's like vanguarding while cloaked, but she can be specced into just as good a sniper as well if you wanted to. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It depends on the player and how they're playing it.

I'll be more successful with a Human Sentinel than a Paladin, but I know it's the other way around for most people. I'm not sure if my HI would outscore my Shadow, but I would imagine that for most people, it would.

[mandalorian sun]

Tokenusername wrote...

Power creep.

/thread

Not necessarily, some of the vanilla kits gots serious buffs over time. Singularity is a monster compared to what it used to be, the HE got longer overload priming, and FIRE EXPLOSIONS, greatly increasing his DPS. Tech Armor got a huge boost along the way, it used to be a really bad passive. 

[Gethzilla-N7SP]

My choices:

Adept: - Fury
Soldier: - Destroyer
Engineer: - Vanilla
Sentinel: - Vanilla
Infiltrator: - Shadow
Vanguard: - Slayer

[Cyonan]

All of the vanilla kits are good in their own ways in comparison to the N7 kits.

Adept and Sentinel have Warp which is automatically a good kit, because Incendiary Rounds. Adept also has Shockwave multi-combos.

Soldier has Adrenaline Rush which is about on par with Tactical Cloak in terms of a weapon damage boost(better in some cases).

Engineer has the best tech detonator in the game, and has abilities that are solid against any defenses.

Infiltrator has Cryo Blast, which is a vastly underestimated debuff around here. It makes them one of the best shotgun Infiltrators in the game.

Vanguard has achieved immortality and has one of the best biotic detonators in the game.

[OniGanon]

All the basic Human kits are really good. You shouldn't underestimate them just because they're 'vanilla.' Still...

Vanilla Adept vs. Fury - Fury. One cooldown beats two cooldowns.

Vanilla Soldier vs. Destroyer - Destroyer. 100% uptime damage/CC passive beats cooldown dependant damage/CC.

Vanilla Engineer vs. Demolisher - Too different for useful comparison. Better comparison would be with Paladin, who would win because snap cheese.

Vanilla Sentinel vs. Paladin - Too different for useful comparison. HSent is more of an Adept, really.

Vanilla Infiltrator vs. Shadow - Hmm. I'm going to say Human Infiltrator, as their powers seem generally more useful. SS murders Brutes and Scions like no one's business, but then so do Stickies.

Novaguard vs. Slayer - I don't play Vanguards enough to comment.

Modifié par OniGanon, 08 février 2014 - 09:43 .

[cato potato]

They're split evenly for me, of course they're all good kits.

Vanilla Adept
Destroyer
Vanilla Engineer
Paladin
Vanilla Infiltrator
Slayer

[FuriousFelicia]

For me the N7 kits are all special and awesome, and strike out the usual palette.

If compared to the vanilla humies, I only prefer vanilla engineer over the demo girl. (I don't like nades)

[ClydeInTheShell]

Adept: so hard to take the Fury but it's just so much more destructive when done properly
Soldier: Destroyer, and it's not close to me
Engineer: My love for the Demolisher is well documented
Sentinel: Vanilla, even though the Paladin was once my go-to kit
Infiltrator: Vanilla, not close
Vanguard: Novaguard because the Slayer is boring to me

Modifié par ClydeInTheShell, 08 février 2014 - 09:57 .

[Evil]

Cyonan wrote...

Adept and Sentinel have Warp which is automatically a good kit, because Incendiary Rounds.

Sentinel can actually use incindiary ammo without depending totally on cheesing too, if so desired.

Throw allows for rapid detonation of ammo primes to get at masked biotic primes.

This means you can get oodles of 6+1 FE's on unshielded mooks quickly by simply shooting then throwing rapidly, then combing ammo primes with warp and throw to get a chain of FE's and BE's.

You'll still get more damage than you should due to incendiary cheese, but I dare say this would still be a worthwhile play-style on a PC host with the glitch fixed.

This actually works with disruptor ammo too, but it's tricky to get a feel for when it's primed for a TB and when it's not so its kinda finicky, plus it's annoying to any biotic team-mates in the lobby, so I rarely use him this way.

You run your host with the glitch fixed don't you Cyonan?

If so, could you try this build sometime and see if it works for you?  
kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#41!1D11555!!23251363!5FDA5G

I'd like to hear if it actually works effectively without the cheese.

Feel free to change the Armour bonus, I use whatever I've got lots of in that slot for him.

[Ribosome]

I love all of the human kits barring the sentinel.

The HI in particular was actually what really helped me start off my earliest gold games on a good note because cryo and stickies have tremendous value.

[Kocka007]

Vanilla Adept
Destroyer (with no DM)
Vanilla Engineer
Paladin (although I like the HS better)
Vanilla Infiltrator
Slayer

[Kislitsin]

Fury is clearly OP, but I like the vanilla adept more. And vanilla allows for less risky playstyle, though lolcolyte kinda negates most risks for Fury, it's pity I don't use it.

Vanilla winfiltrator>>>>>>>>>shadow, he is the best shooty infiltrator after GI. And shotguns = everything.

Destroyer>HSol as a weapon specialist, though with some weapons HSol is better in terms of pure damage (Lazor, double-shot claymoar), not to mention his ridiculous survivability.

Pally is a score**** scrub, who needs a team full of detonators to be really "powerful", VHSent is truly powerful, but I find him boring. I don't play sentinels other than TSent and Valk anymore though.

Among engineers Demogrill wins, dem aerodynamics..

[cato potato]

Kocka007 wrote...

Vanilla Adept
Destroyer (with no DM)
Vanilla Engineer
Paladin (although I like the HS better)
Vanilla Infiltrator
Slayer

You have good taste, kocka.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Vanilla humans always win.

[ChrisLupton]

Aesthetically, the vanilla kits almost always win. With the exception of the Demolisher the N7 kits have "trying too hard to look cool" written all over them. The Shadow and the Slayer pose around the place with their swords and their ninja moves. The Destroyer is making so much effort to be look and sound butch it's frankly embarrassing. The Fury has a scary mask and a hood because she's sooo spooky and the Paladin thinks he's Captain America or something. The Vanilla kits are soldiers and are there to get the job done, not to pose.

Effectiveness wise, my personal preferences are pretty balanced, except I think I'd pick the Shadow over the vanilla Infiltrator because I've never really taken to Sticky 'nades. Also while I probably prefer the vanilla soldier to the Destroyer I can't deny that the Destroyer is a very effective kit so I possibly end up playing him more.

[SpaceV3gan]

N7 are brutally superior.
The only vanilla kit that can compete with it's N7 equivalent is the Soldier.

[Teh_Ocelot]

SpaceV3gan wrote...

N7 are brutally superior.
The only vanilla kit that can compete with it's N7 equivalent is the Soldier.

The Vanilla HA and his Singularity + Shockwave would like to have a word w/ you.