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[EmperorSahlertz]

As for the ENTIRE generation of shipwrights, that's a bigger scale than I was thinking. I just figured if you're shooting arrows at the ship or something, you aim for them preferentially so as to leave that ship without them until they have a chance to rebuild. That way, even if they successfully flee (or outright win, which is something the Qunari tend to do in naval warfare) they can't repair anything like as effectively.

I am not sure they would actually bring the shipwright along on every voyage the ship he built were to take, especially not into warzones. So the shipwrights would probably all be in the drydocks and navy bases of the Qunari. Sure, they would probably bring along someone who had enough knowledge to know how to make field repairs to the ship, but usually you would probably tend to keep the shipwrights in a place were they could service as many ships as possible.

[SerCambria358]

That's like suggesting the Germans didn't lose WWI. They lost the invasion was it a complete failure where there forces were forced to pull out completely?

No, they gained some ground yes but ultimately lost the invasion. The emphasis on the defender is to halt the invasion, which they did. Yes there will be another war because the Qun demands it. You don't sign a peace treaty when your the aggressor unless you have to.

As for tevinter I specifically pointed out that tevinter lost seheron 30 years ago so of course they lost it. If one island is all they got following the war, well 200 years for an island aint very impressive.

And controlling any area for 30 years and not being able to stop an insurgency is utterly humiliating.

your missing the point with Kirkwall the qunari just rocked up on foreign land and said **** you where staying here and doing our own thing, they treated the majority of people with contempt and for years told them eventually we're going to attack you.

The guards that came to arrest the elves were following the law in the land, the term when in Rome applies. Your in a foreign land diplomatic solutions must be on the onus of the guest, would you suggest the qunari have no right to execute a mage on sight on qunari land? (hell they do it on foreign soil)

The entire incident was a result of the qunari having a doctrine of military solutions. If they were at all flexible the incident would never have happened, they never even tried to be diplomatic despite being "guests"

And really I don't know why your arguing that the qunari aren't militaristic considering everything they have done since they arrived in thedas suggests they are, they are more then just aggressive the Qun ORDERS them to wage war. All the qunari tell you this.

You say strip it back and it's not but the fact is you cannot strip it back because the qunari is a whole the individual is their only to fill a role in the whole and what is the whole? It's the Qun which dictates "take over and force everyone to follow the Qun" and have you paused to consider the reason the Qunari from par vollen haven't heard from the qunari homeland is because it's collapsed for precisely for the reasons you sighted?

How anyone can argue the Qun isn't militaristic, they might be well spoken but actions speak louder then words they are militaristic and everything they have done is in the name of the Qun therefore the Qun is militaristic, you yourself admit that the qunari are just building up for yet another war for no reason other then there Doctrine demands it must be done and your saying they don't have militaristic doctrine?

Bad example considering how bad the germans suffered, again, stopping an invasion does not deduce failure.

 

Actually the Qunari held Tevinter for 55 years without attempting to conquer anymore, so it can be said that the invasion was technically successful considering they had no idea where they were let alone have any idea how much they would conquer. 

 

The qunari have held Seheron longer than 30 years and you make the assumption that just because a country is at war that they both constantly on the offensive. That isnt how war works especially coming off the massive qunari wars. It doesnt matter if you're impressed because the fact is, the qunari are one nation taking on a continent and honestly they're having rapid success, gaining plenty of converts, plenty of land, and they're unified.

 

The greatest military powers in history have always had issues with insurgencies when the insurgency knows the land (Germanic tribes,Celtic tribes, Native tribes). I dont know if you're familiar with how war works.

 

As for the way they treated people of Kirkwall, you're just making assumptions, there is no proof of that at all. You say that is if they had a choice to go anywhere, their ships were destroyed, i dont know if you remember that. They held up in an area away from locals and literally did nothing to antagonize the population even when antagonized themselves.

 

The qunari could've attacked any one of the mage with us including hawke but they did not out of restraint. I dont see how its hard to understand that the qunari did nothing for 3 years and only attacked due to a lack of patience when attacked a 3rd time. Most generals wouldn't have shown that restraint especially for so long. Despite how you THINK the qunari acted towards the population fact shows that the qunari showed zero aggression until attacked themselves multiple times.

 

You misread what i said, your argument was saying that the Qun at a basic level is just a military order, im saying that is not true. They are militaristic yes but lets assume they conquered everything, at the core of it, they are a society whose primary focus is sustaining a functioning society, everyone would have their roles with no greed or currency to corrupt individuals. The qun is influenced by "The Republic" which is the theorized utopia of plato's idea on what a perfectly running society would be like. As i said before, a society that is purely militaristic would no function after they have conquered all. You make another assumption, assuming the qunari left their homeland only because their society collapsed, there is zero proof of that to make such a conclusion, historically societies have colonized distant lands because they can, not due to societal failures.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I am not sure they would actually bring the shipwright along on every voyage the ship he built were to take, especially not into warzones. So the shipwrights would probably all be in the drydocks and navy bases of the Qunari. Sure, they would probably bring along someone who had enough knowledge to know how to make field repairs to the ship, but usually you would probably tend to keep the shipwrights in a place were they could service as many ships as possible.

Yeah, probably. Point is, you figure out who that is and you shoot them. (If there's a woman on board, it's probably her.) The Thedasians would probably have a tough time repairing if you did that to one of their ships, but the Qunari almost certainly would if they got that treatment.

[convergecultist3]

The greatest strength of the Qun is that everyone has a role and purpose, there are no wasted bodies.

 

 A nation that retreats doesn't equal a conquered nation. I wouldn't hold much stock in a treaty either. You know why? Because a treaty only lasts as long as for one side to re-arm/regroup and to try again, (obviously one side would't break a treaty unless they thought they have a great advantage(s) that would led to a high chance of victory. Breaking a treaty and then losing, usually leds to total submission.)

 

While the human lands are under siege from Veil Tears, Mage-Templar War, and the Chantry in shambles as well. (also, with a rebuilding Ferelden due to the blight.) The human nations aren't in a position of strength to unite against another force. The Qunari have natural allies with elves (the enemy of my enemy is my friend.) If I was the Arishok, I'd head for Orzammar and broker with the Dwarves. With the agreement being that the Dwarves stop all dealings with the lyrium trade to the Chantry and deal with the qunari instead, (best time to do it with the Chantry in flames, also crippling The Chantry's Templars.) Ensuring that it would be in their best monetary interests to deal with the qunari rather than the Chantry, (the Qunari could open trade with some of their exclusive items, clothing, weapons, whatever, to entice the noble caste.) Think of the things that the Qunari could develop with lyrium. In exchange, the Qunari would aid the Dwarves in the Deep Roads, (in addition to getting your foot in the door to have The Qun around the casteless...)

The Chantry would have to march to Orzammar out of desperation, (into a highly defensiveable postion,) but it wouldn't be in their best interest to decimate the dwarves because a) If they did, then they would have to have to mine the lyrium themselves, even though it is dangerous to all races, it is less dangerous to the dwarves, and (B)then they would be responsible for dealing with the darkspawn.

With the Qunari's superior Navy, they would have an easier time than the other nations controlling the seas. Forcing the humans to travel inland, which would be more time consuming, (if the Qunari could get an alliance with some of the Dalish clans, they could provide guerrilla tactics against a traveling army.)  If the Qunari could defeat the Chantry there, they could leverage lyrium against the Chantry in exchange for the Chantry teaching them the tools of the trade of being a Templar. Which then they could use on there most hated enemy, Tevinter.

 

Downside for the Qunari is that Mages would have time to organize if they were able to do so. Even though the Qunari are easily the hardest on Mages, it isn't like the humans are sympathetic to Mages on the whole anyways. With the Mage-Templar War taking place, the tension towards Magic may be at an all time high since Andraste.

[The Baconer]

If I was the Arishok, I'd head for Orzammar and broker with the Dwarves. With the agreement being that the Dwarves stop all dealings with the lyrium trade to the Chantry and deal with the qunari instead, (best time to do it with the Chantry in flames, also crippling The Chantry's Templars.) Ensuring that it would be in their best monetary interests to deal with the qunari rather than the Chantry, (the Qunari could open trade with some of their exclusive items, clothing, weapons, whatever, to entice the noble caste.)

 

That isn't how the Qunari do things.