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[Zered]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

I might be wrong but don't the Qunari have a sizable presence in Rivain?

Not since the Chantry did a few purges that were promptly forgotten about.

Records burned and Bodies buried and built over.

It's not exactly the stoutest of the Kingdoms that worship the Maker given its own local customs and their place within the religion but they revere the prophet and her god.

Ferdinand Genitivi has a different perspective on this:

"The Chant of Light
never truly reached the ears of these people. Resistance to the Chant
goes deeper than the Qunari Wars. The Rivaini refuse to be parted from
their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits
and actually allowing themselves to be possessed. The Chantry
prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local
tradition.

[Mirrman70]

no no... I am pretty sure there is a whole town of them. Kont-aar or something...

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mirrman70 wrote...

I might be wrong but don't the Qunari have a sizable presence in Rivain?

The Qunari do not have any presence in RIvain beyond the city of Kont-ar. It was a part of the Llmorrynn accord that the Qunari would withdraw themselves from all of Rivain, except for Kont-ar. Some Qunari however refused to move from the land that had been their for decades, and it was these Qunari that the Thedosians massacrered instead of bothering with attempting to re-convert.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There are still many Qunari villages in the north of the country. At least they see themselves as Qunari, the Ariqun might not agree. It's still not 100% clear if the Qunari of Kont-aar are considered true Qunari or not.

[Zered]

Also a quote from The World of Thedas on the presence of Qunari in  Rivain(page81)

Rivain is home to the only peaceful Qunari settlement on the main continent,
in Kont-aar. The influence of the Qun, if not absolute adherence to its teachings, is
present throughout Rivain, getting stronger as one heads north toward Kont-aar.

Seems the Qun has not been entirely pushed to the north.

[Sentinel358]

Foshizzlin wrote...

The Qun is basically the Communism of Thedas. A complete failure.

Then why is it so effective?

[Xilizhra]

Sentinel358 wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

The Qun is basically the Communism of Thedas. A complete failure.

Then why is it so effective?

I personally think it has something to do with a mind-affecting magical field, and that we'll learn more of it in the fourth game when we investigate the secrets of the qunari.

[General TSAR]

Bull.

It's called collective will.

[Xilizhra]

General TSAR wrote...

Bull.

It's called collective will.

Well, it's not a society humans can maintain. So either the qunari possess an inherent biological devotion to order that humans can't match, or their society is much more cracked than it appears from the outside, or it's the magical field.

[The Baconer]

I think its just made out to be a little more effective than it actually is, considering we haven't even seen it operate firsthand. I definitely don't think a magical field is at play, though.

[Mirrman70]

while something like the qun wouldn't work in our world there is no reason it can't in a fictional world.

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, it's not a society humans can maintain

Really? What makes you say that? The hundreds of splintered factions and organizations in Thedas?

or it's the magical field.

I think it's carrot top pulling the strings.

[Xilizhra]

Really? What makes you say that? The hundreds of splintered factions and organizations in Thedas?

And on Earth.

[General TSAR]

Fictional Universe.

Embrace it.

[Veruin]

General TSAR wrote...

Fictional Universe.

Embrace it.

That would mean Xil's theory would be wrong.  We know that's not possible.

[Xilizhra]

General TSAR wrote...

Fictional Universe.

Embrace it.

So Thedas humans are really aliens?

[Mirrman70]

they might not be aliens but they can be different than us. I mean some of them can shoot lightning out of their hands...

[General TSAR]

So Sera's humans are really aliens?

[EmperorSahlertz]

The only reason that humans in our world wouldn't be able to maintain such a society right now, is that we have been indoctrinated through countless generations to embrace commercialism and consumerism. There are no "bio-psychological blocks" that actively prevents us from creating such society.

[Mirrman70]

you mean other than the fact that for most of human history a good percentage of the population are willing to sacrifice others to forward their own ambitions? I mean I don't think Stalin sent all those people to the Gulag just to get this seasons Gucci Purse. A desire for dominance is a driving factor for many people's ambition and in a society like the Qun such ambition is frowned upon.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mirrman70 wrote...

you mean other than the fact that for most of human history a good percentage of the population are willing to sacrifice others to forward their own ambitions? I mean I don't think Stalin sent all those people to the Gulag just to get this seasons Gucci Purse. A desire for dominance is a driving factor for many people's ambition and in a society like the Qun such ambition is frowned upon.

In most of human history, and I  mean the VAST majority, there have been no such thing as currency, wealth or political power. You could argue that in the first days of humanity the "chiefs", for lack of a better word, of the early human tribes were the "ambitious" ones. But matter of fact is taht they were probably at this posistion due to their physical and/or intellectual superiority, ie. they were leading by merit alone.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

you mean other than the fact that for most of human history a good percentage of the population are willing to sacrifice others to forward their own ambitions? I mean I don't think Stalin sent all those people to the Gulag just to get this seasons Gucci Purse. A desire for dominance is a driving factor for many people's ambition and in a society like the Qun such ambition is frowned upon.

In most of human history, and I  mean the VAST majority, there have been no such thing as currency, wealth or political power. You could argue that in the first days of humanity the "chiefs", for lack of a better word, of the early human tribes were the "ambitious" ones. But matter of fact is taht they were probably at this posistion due to their physical and/or intellectual superiority, ie. they were leading by merit alone.

That was back when the largest human groups were simply large extended families and everyone knew everyone else in a given tribe. That's when there can truly be consensus based on peresonal knowledge of who's the best leader, but that simply doesn't work on a larger scale (and was phased out rather fast in agricultural societies when that got started).

[spirosz]

There is a fourth game already?

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote....That was back when the largest human groups were simply large extended families and everyone knew everyone else in a given tribe. That's when there can truly be consensus based on peresonal knowledge of who's the best leader, but that simply doesn't work on a larger scale (and was phased out rather fast in agricultural societies when that got started).

1. Terra=/=Thedas
2  Terran Culture =/= Qunari Culture
3. Terran Humans =/=Thedas Humans =/= Oxmen

Modifié par General TSAR, 21 février 2014 - 02:51 .