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[sgy0003]

So far I created two human nobles and a dalish elf character, and I would have to say human noble is better.

First off, humans always have the stat boost from the creation. I think this made it eaiser to raise compare to the dalish elf. The romance between Leliana and my dalish elf was awkward because he was shorter than her, while human noble was taller than her.

The origin story seems to be more involved in the main plot compared to other origins. Seriously, I felt good when I killed Howe for betraying my virtual family but felt sad immediately afterwards because killing him did not bring my family back. Also, when I was deciding who should be the next king in Orzammar I felt I've made a right decision because I was an outsider and therefore the decision was un-biased, unlike the dwarf commoner/noble origin where the senario makes you bias towards either candidates. During the Brecilian forest, I tried to settle conflict between dalish elves and werewolves instead of killing all werewolves as dalish elf character (Dalish was my first and I was biased towards my kin after learning about werewolf attacks).

The whole "Loghain is an **** who needs to die" thing had a bigger impact on me as human compare to other races. I guess Howe siding with Loghain makes the main plot more connected as human origin, as I stated above.

As for the ending, I found out that it was all same for all races (males) if you chose Morrigan's offer. It was only different when I chose to sacrifice myself, having key npcs showing up at my character's funeral.

 All these argument doesn't mean that I hate other orgins. In fact, I think all of them are interesting and complex.(as I've seen them all on wiki) And I hope all races story will be interesting on DA:I. Maybe i can finally play was half-blood between human and elf.

[caradoc2000]

To me, HN is the least favorite. Both because most game protagonists are white human men so I don't really fancy playing yet another one, and because I am not a fan of that storyline in general.

HN was the last of the Origins I played, and I've only completed it once.

sgy0003 wrote...

The origin story seems to
be more involved in the main plot compared to other origins. Seriously, I felt good when I killed Howe for betraying my virtual family but felt sad immediately afterwards because killing him did not bring my family back. Also, when I was deciding who should be the next king in Orzammar I felt I've made a right decision because I was an outsider and therefore the decision was un-biased, unlike the dwarf commoner/noble origin where the senario makes you bias towards either candidates.

Likewise, HN is very much biased to the Loghain/Howe decision.

The romance between Leliana and my dalish elf was awkward because he was shorter than her, while human noble was taller than her.

If you think that is awkward, try the Dwarf/Leliana romance. She has to kneel down for the kiss.

Modifié par caradoc2000, 09 février 2014 - 09:54 .

[wiccame]

For me the Dalish origin is best.
A complete outsider, hated by humans, who also hated humans, lived apart from them all their life.
Suddenly pulled away from the only world they ever knew, to fight along side humans and deal with their problems.
It's just perfect irony that humans have a dalish to thank for saving them all.

[mousestalker]

If height differences bother you, avoid Alistair if you are a dwarf, otherwise he has a really nice line about that.

The female city elf is still my favourite followed by the dwarf commoner. Both have the whole 'rags to riches' thing.

[RavenousBear]

The HN origin is good, but not my favorite origin. That would be the Fem. City Elf Origin. Here is my opinions on the origin itself:

One of my observations of the HN origin is the fact that the Cousland family seems "too perfect". As in everyone is happy, everybody jokes around, all is swell within the castle. The castle itself seemd like a paradise for the HN, too far removed from the reality of Ferelden.

Then in a fall swoop, that paradise is destroyed by the backstabbing Howe and his thugs. In an instant, the HN loses all he/she has known: parents are dead, relatives are dead, friends are dead, servants are dead, and the guards are dead. Then the fate of Fergus is unknown until you get to Ostagar and it takes you until the Coronation at the very end to see him again.

It is a very tragic night for the HN which can easily be RP as a darker character seeking vengeance against Howe and anyone associated with the scumbag. But most people seem to play the HN as the "Martry Sue/Mary Sue" type of character instead. My HN was certainly not like that at all.

It is one of the better origins in my opinion but the cliche "perfect family" and the setting itself just seems out of place with the rest of Ferelden. Especially in a dark fantasy game.

[Shinobu]

I also prefer Female City Elf. Local girl makes good!

She's also enough of an outsider to allow her to make whatever choice you like in the mage/Templar, Dalish/werewolf, Bhelen/Harrowmont, Alistair/Loghain situation. Also, killing Howe for trying to sell your father into slavery feels great. (It makes for an interesting friendship with Nate in Awakening.) Coming home to defend the alienage from the darkspawn: priceless.

I found the HN origin relatively bland, though the parental deaths were sad. But, to each their own.

[s17tabris]

After finishing the game as a city elf, I tried human noble, since many were saying that it's the best origin/story. For some reason, I had a hard time continuing and had to force myself to play the game. I eventually quit when I reached Lothering.

[DarthGizka]

My first origin was a male Dwarven Noble warrior, and it was really good. But when I rolled a rogue for my second game and decided to make her a female Cousland, it was not just good, it was great.

As I walked around in Castle Cousland and talked to people and did things, more and more facets of the character clicked into place and other facets were discovered. I had envisioned something along the lines of an Emma or Elisabeth Bennet, but more inclined to mischief and with a penchant for fencing. The game let me discover something that fit perfectly, including suitably flippant dialogue choices ("Go soak your head.").

I do not see the Cousland family as a contradiction to the overall situation in Ferelden. Power and wealth can corrupt but do not necessarily have to do so. Benevolent, enlightened nobility is not unheard of (noblesse oblige), neither in the fantasy realm nor in reality. Under adverse circumstances families and personalities can disintegrate or grow stronger.

The family in the dwarven commoner origin is dysfunctional, as seems to be the whole of dust town. By contrast, the (extended) families of the elven origins seem to be strong enough, occasional bad apples notwithstanding, and the farewell scenes reinforce the sense of belonging.

It has been said that the Couslands resemble the Stark family from Martin's Song of Ice and Fire, and I agree. So what? For me it is one more reason to like that origin. If you need dysfunctional, go play a dwarf.

What makes the Cousland origin work beyond Ostagar - better than the other origins, I mean - is lugging around the family sword until you can finally stick it into Howe. That serves as a constant reminder of who you are and what you have yet to do.

Last but not least, getting into a character is a two-sided process. Part of it is arbitrary, a priori determination by the player, but the biggest part by far is discovery. If you approach a game (or origin) with an open mind and a sense of adventure then you will have a great time.

That said, the best origin by far is Leliana's. You get an immediate sense of the strong comradeship with Tug and Sketch, and you get to adventure for fun and profit. When was the last time you did anything in DA:O just for the sheer fun of it? Apart from handing out feastday pranks, I mean.

[Ferretinabun]

HN is my least favourite. I never understood the popularity of of it at all; I assumed it was down to most HN fans doing it as their first origin (There's nothing quite like your first time ).

Personally, I find the origin story shallow and cliched, and frankly the voice acting really rather shoddy in places. You can end up as queen/prince consort, but that never appealed to me (seriously, the nobles of Ferelden are perfectly happy with such a blatant, shameless power-grab?!?!). I didn't think the pay-off with Howe was big enough to make that particular sub-plot very fulfilling. Humans don't start with more stat points - just a slightly different allocation, so being human is only a good thing depending on the class you want to play. And while I can understand the height difference being an issue (it's a nice aesthetic) you can still be human when you play as a mage which, while not perfect, is a much stronger origin story imho.

Also, the fact that HN origin is so popular despite the fact that it is, I think, the weakest one, only intensifies my dislike of it. Worst of the bunch.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 10 février 2014 - 11:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

I liked the human noble, it's the first one I tried, though it was my mage I finished first. I liked the family, the love and devotion, and humor only makes what happens that much more gripping and shocking. Several times during the game, people make reference to your origin, (I found only the mage one had as much impact on character reactions in the story).

Being king/queen wasn't always the draw either. Some of my Couslands were content with just being a warden friend to the king or adviser to the queen. Plus, I loved the dynamic with Nate in Awakenings.

By contrast, the dwarf noble origin made me want to toss my monitor out the window. It swiftly became my least favorite with all the backstabbing and dysfunction (though I did finally finish a playthrough, I only did it so I could say "I did them all").

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 12 février 2014 - 08:52 .

[Cobra's_back]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I liked the human noble, it's the first one I tried, though it was my mage I finished first. I liked the family, the love and devotion, and humor only makes what happens that much more gripping and shocking. Several times during the game, people make reference to your origin, (I found only the mage one had as much impact on character reactions in the story).

Being king/queen wasn't always the draw either. Some of my Couslands were content with just being a warden friend to the king or adviser to the queen. Plus, I loved the dynamic with Nate in Awakenings.

By contrast, the dwarf noble origin made me want to toss my monitor out the window. It swiftly became my least favorite with all the backstabbing and dysfunction (though I did finally finish a playthrough, I only did it so I could say "I did them all").

So true. 

[Cobra's_back]

per sgy0003 "The whole "Loghain is an **** who needs to die" thing had a bigger impact on me as human compare to other races. I guess Howe siding with Loghain makes the main plot more connected as human origin, as I stated above."

This was icing on the cake to kill Howe and Loghain. The HN would know that Howe killed his family with Loghain's approval.

[ReadingRambo220]

My original warden was dalish. At the time it did seem unconnected to the overall scheme of things, especially after i compared it to the noble which was my second playthrough. I did like how people resented your race, and I roleplayed him to get quite pissed off at such behavior.

Anyways, fast forward 5 years, and now it seems that the dalish origin seems integral to the plot. The Eluvian(s) seems to be one of the most important things in DA, through cryptic hints dropped by Gaider in addition to their significance to Morrigan and Merrill.

DAI will probably finally explain their significance, but its cool how when I played Origins when it first came out the mirror seemed inconsequential, simply a way for the Dalish warden to be forced into warden hood. More of a background object than a plot-centric item.  Years later it seems cool to me how connected it could be to the Veil sundering.

Modifié par GreyPouponWarden, 18 février 2014 - 07:53 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

<-- kept my Mahariel pic even with custom-avatars now a feature (though I changed his hairstyle and tattoo in the game).

 

 

But yeah, Dalish elf FTW! Just felt right to begin my canon with an outsider to the DA world. And an underdog -- elves gotta fight for it.

[Shadow Fox]

Hmm well I think the City Elf and Dwarf Commoner were the best. 

[Starfang]

City Elf is my favourite. But I also have a soft spot for my DCs. I guess I just have a thing for underdogs. 

[Shadow Fox]

City Elf is my favourite. But I also have a soft spot for my DCs. I guess I just have a thing for underdogs. 

Same here.

[Uccio]

There is nothing awkward dating taller women than you op. It only shows you lack manliness . I´ve had never problem dating women taller than me.

[Stag]

The city elf female was my first and she holds a very dear place in my heart- there's something really special about playing a character who is constantly dealing with people treating her like she is less than she is only to have her pummel their face in for their insubordination. Of course, maybe that just speaks volumes about me, I don't know.

 

The human noble story is a great story for returning players, I think. Starting as a human there's a lot you need to know (ie. Ferelden politics/nobility) to fully "get" what's going on. With that said, I think it's one of the more emotionally driving stories overall because of Howe's involvement in the main plot. The fact that the dude responisble for the death of your entire lineage is in league with Loghain just serves as extra motivation to want them both dead. I'll agree with the fact that it's a pretty generic story: "white dudebro (or ladybro, if that's your fancy) of noble blood is betrayed, rallies an army, overthrows a traitor king, kills the big bad and, depending on player choices, becomes king/queen of the land" isn't exactly unique. However, that in and of itself is sort of charming in my opinion.

 

The dwarf noble origin remains my favourite, however. I adore the dwarves and their politics- I just wish they didn't look like bizarre, short Slendermen in Origins.

[Toasted Llama]

As much as the Dalish origin feels so... disconnected at first, as soon as witch hunt and Merrill in DA2 showed up, the Dalish origins had some really important ties to the main storyline as well.

It's still my most favourite origin ever, though I'm biased: I've been really fond of elves ever since I was a little kid. I prefer the Dalish origin over the City elf origin simply because I love the nomadic, close to nature and polytheistic (is that a correct word? gah) nature of the Dalish. Though the city elf origin has shaped my fem!Tabris in a really interesting way... I do have to admit though, that I dislike the somewhat "better-than-thou" attitude most Dalish have.

Human noble though? Ugh, first of: I HATE nobles. I really do. And then I also hate... well, okay, not hate, dislike/don't really enjoy playing as a human in games where you have multiple races available. So before I even started I already hated the origin simply because of the name and the whole Howe thing didn't really add all that much: Howe was a disturbing SOB that deserved death regardless of your Origin. Despaite all that, my fem!Cousland did become my 2nd main/canon and I love her to pieces, but that's because shamelessly crowned her Queen of Ferelden and headcanon'ed her in such a way, that I like her regardless of her origin.

[Ellyria]

I wish there had been a Human Commoner Origin, I usually played a Human Rogue and having the same origin every time was

 

Regardless, I really like the Human Noble origin, everything that happens with Howe makes it feel more personal. The City Elf and Magi origins have to be my favorites after HN.

[jtav]

My first playthrough was as a HN, but since then I've had trouble completing it. All the origins are stories that have been told before but HN seems the most cliche of all, with very few interesting narrative or lore twists. The Couslands are a little too perfect and a little too removed from the grimy, somewhat dark world beyond Highever. Which is unfortunate because I adore Anora to bits and would love to have a game where I married her.

[Farangbaa]

Human Noble gets to be King. It does not get any cooler than that.

 

There is nothing awkward dating taller women than you op. It only shows you lack manliness . I´ve had never problem dating women taller than me.

 

This is most likely cause you're small. Beggars can't be choosers 

[David]

Human Noble is the only origin I've played...so needless to say, it's my favorite.

 

I like to get into the games I play...so creating a character after myself is the best way for me to do that.

 

I like how personal the story is for the Human Noble...with Howe, as mentioned by the OP. I also like how this plays into Awakenings with Howe's son. It really adds to the character driven story.