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[Navasha]

I have thought something similar, but I do get the impression from the lore that the Seekers, like Cassandra have built-in BS detectors. The reason she isn't worried about him "lying" is she would know it.

Which seems to be the case when she calls him out on the few places he did stray.

Now that doesn't mean that Varric isn't partial to his own interpretation of events. Varric might well have thought something was true, when it was actually different than he thought. Also Varric has a sense of exaggeration, which might not be interpreted as a lie either.

[agonis]

Or it could be the small things. Like Varric´s abysmal sense of direction making him think every cave was the same...
Or his shortness distorting the proportions of elven bodies...

[Saints]

agonis wrote...

Or it could be the small things. Like Varric´s abysmal sense of direction making him think every cave was the same...
Or his shortness distorting the proportions of elven bodies...

Please don't blame Varric for what the Developers did.

[BouncyFrag]

Some people would welcome this.

[agonis]

Saints944 wrote...

agonis wrote...

Or it could be the small things. Like Varric´s abysmal sense of direction making him think every cave was the same...
Or his shortness distorting the proportions of elven bodies...

Please don't blame Varric for what the Developers did.

Why not? Varric could be the best liar of Thedas. How should we know?

[themikefest]

I like to know the story from Aveline since she is with Hawke from the beginning whereas Varric wasn't.
It would be interesting to hear what her story would be compared to what Varric told.

[Vit246]

"Lie" as in none of DA2 actually happened ever?

[JasonPogo]

themikefest wrote...

I like to know the story from Aveline since she is with Hawke from the beginning whereas Varric wasn't.
It would be interesting to hear what her story would be compared to what Varric told.

Yeah but only up to the point where Varric joins up.  If you really look at it Varric would have been around allot more then Aveline since she was running the entire city's defense.

[thats1evildude]

It's impossible for everything to be a lie, because much of what he says is a matter of historical fact. There would be records verifying that Hawke reclaimed the Amell mansion and everyone in Kirkwall had heard about the expedition. Varric couldn't invent a qunari invasion of Kirkwall or Anders destroying the Chantry. These events can be corroborated by witnesses and are now a matter of public knowledge; the characters in Asunder reference what Anders did a couple times. Mentions of these events are even incorporated into the World of Thedas' timeline, which is basically canon.

It's also somewhat useless to have Varric lying from a narrative and commercial standpoint. What is gained from having Varric's entire story consist entirely of bull****? "Yeah, we just felt like wasting 40-plus hours of the player's time, as well as invalidating all this other stuff we put out. But thanks for the money, suckers."

I think Varric is lying when he says he doesn't know where Hawke is, but the rest? Yeah, it happened.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 09 février 2014 - 08:51 .

[Rotward]

It was. Hawke was actually the name of the mage rebellion, and everything he said was a lie to cover the organization's actions.

[Marakov7]

Ask Sketch about the reliability of stories...

[MKDAWUSS]

Some of it would be easier to debunk than others. The whole Champion of Kirkwall thingy shouldn't be too hard.

[KC_Prototype]

Then the origins of the Mage-Templar war would be a mystery. But alas, Hawke's legacy is real.

[Heimdall]

Except for the exaggerations he explicitly corrected, I have to believe he was telling the truth. Otherwise my playthroughs of DA2 feel rather pointless...

[scpulley]

Well that might explain why DA2 just sort of puttered out at the end, if Varric was trying to cover up the details to protect Hawke. I have a feeling DA2 is going to make WAY more sense in terms of story after DAI comes out and clears up some of the plot holes. At least that is what I am hoping. Hawke was an interesting character trapped in a no win scenario. Sort of like Mass Effect 3 except without the hand waving space magic.

[CybAnt1]

If everything he said was a lie, Cassandra is going to give him a very naughty spanking in DA:I.

(Bonus: we get to watch.)

P.S. that's going to exactly be Hawke's appearance in DA3. He'll walk out, glare over at Varric, and say, "Enough, dwarf, with this mysterious disappearance crap. You know I really took a vacation in Antiva." 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 09 février 2014 - 09:28 .

[Magdalena11]

 If everything Varric says is a lie, I'm prepared to listen to him.  He knows what's what better than I do.

[erohakase]

agonis wrote...

Or it could be the small things. Like Varric´s abysmal sense of direction making him think every cave was the same...
Or his shortness distorting the proportions of elven bodies...

This is so good for so many reasons or it might just be the whiskey speaking. I'm actually making a playthrough of DAO + Awakening + DA2 for import and I'm dreading starting up DA2 again because of Varric's terrible memory.

[KaiserShep]

I wonder if BioWare will write in a remark making fun of the reused areas issue of DA2 somewhere in the squad banter, kind of like how Shepard and Liara go on about omnigel in LotSB.

[Heimdall]

KaiserShep wrote...

I wonder if BioWare will write in a remark making fun of the reused areas issue of DA2 somewhere in the squad banter, kind of like how Shepard and Liara go on about omnigel in LotSB.

Cassandra: You know Varric, you really need to work on you descriptions.

Varric: Pardon?

Cassandra: Whenever you start describing caves or mines, they all sound exactly the same.

Varric:  Hey, I'm a surface dwarf.  If you want someone to wax poetic about a dank, dark, uncomfortable cave, go to Orzammar.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 10 février 2014 - 06:52 .

[leaguer of one]

What happens if Varric says the op is correct?

[KaiserShep]

Lord Aesir wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I wonder if BioWare will write in a remark making fun of the reused areas issue of DA2 somewhere in the squad banter, kind of like how Shepard and Liara go on about omnigel in LotSB.

Cassandra: You know Varric, you really need to work on you descriptions.

Varric: Pardon?

Cassandra: Whenever you start describing caves or mines, they all sound exactly the same.

Varric:  Hey, I'm a surface dwarf.  If you want someone to wax poetic about a dank, dark, uncomfortable cave, go to Orzammar.

Nailed it.