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[wombat777]

are lovers during the whole time in ME3? Or is it just that one time before the end of it all? I wonder because the devs make that one time all seriously romantic and everything, but Aethyta makes it clear she knows Shepard and Liara adre pretty steady lovers. What do YOU think?

[Frybread76]

The relationship does seem inconsistent throughout the game, IMO.

[RangerSG]

wombat777 wrote...

are lovers during the whole time in ME3? Or is it just that one time before the end of it all? I wonder because the devs make that one time all seriously romantic and everything, but Aethyta makes it clear she knows Shepard and Liara adre pretty steady lovers. What do YOU think?

The Liara/Shep romance dialogue in ME3 is a mess, and that's been documented before. It's like Liara has gone bipolar. Honestly, if you're carrying over a faithful Shep through the 1st 2 games, it shouldn't have taken anything but the Mars, "Yes I still want you" to continue the relationship, and then drop all the 'friend' lines. Instead, you have to confirm at least twice more, and it makes things very hot and cold.

So basically, you have to headcanon this. My Shep who romanced Liara was steady all along. And just took her later questions as insecurity based on the stress of war. But I could desfinitely see how someone could interpret it differently. 

And the problem with the Aethyta line is, she says that even if Shep & Liara were never romanced in either prior installment. 

So for what is pretty clearly the canon fanservice romance, there are issues in execution, yes.

Modifié par RangerSG, 10 février 2014 - 04:22 .

[Excella Gionne]

Liara's romance is one of the most popular romances due to the romance having a lot of interaction between Shepard and Liara(Lair of the Shadow Broker is required for full ME2 interaction). I would say that ME3 does sort of dulls to romance at times, but this romance does feel very canon'd and satisfying when exploited to its fullest potential. Worse romance is Jacob because...it's Jacob...

[congokong]

I'm pretty sure they're doing it often considering they might both die tomorrow and hadn't seen each other for 6 months. It's not like they're going to show a love scene after every mission just like how they don't show Shepard use the restroom. They have one sex scene before Cronos Station because that's how it goes in ME. It also is likely the last time they can be together.

It has been said, but yes the dialogue can be a bit awkward between them at times. It's obvious that Liara is crazy about Shepard but a few times Liara refers to Shepard as a "friend" as if she's subtley trying to dump him/her. And the lock-in/break up/switch lovers scene on the Citadel after the Citadel coup is probably the worst in ME romance.

[dgcatanisiri]

Since you say other LI's in the topic, romancing Kaidan has him making a reference to Shepard not waking him up, implying that they were sleeping in the same bed. So I'm assuming that the way it's supposed to come across is that Shepard and their LI are sleeping together, be it literally or post coitus, from the moment that they lock-in the romance, at the least, with the romance scene just the one time we get to see.

[wright1978]

I'm a little disappointed that they didn't go with the approach of locking in the imported romance unless the player goes out of their way to break up. That way romances could have got more consistent content with the stage their relationship should be at and not have to field characters making passes at Shep.

[Daemul]

Liaras romance in ME3 was a complete mess, it was incredibly inconsistent. The number of times you have to reaffirm your relationship is ridiculous, it's why I don't even play my Femshep save anymore, the entire thing is a massive pain and I have no interest in going through it again. It's a sad state of affairs when the relationship with Diana fricken Allers is more consistent.

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

It's not a dating sim nor can a game present conversations in a very realistic way, but you get a decent amount of content it seems?

My slow typing :innocent:

Modifié par Daemul, 10 février 2014 - 10:09 .

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

If it's really that bad, I take back what I said. I only speak from the perspective of non-romanced. I figured since she had many lines, I thought it was positive (I romanced Jack btw.. so you'll see where I'm coming from. She's barely in the game).

The problem is Bio ware tried to write Liara as Shepards main friend/advisor but this meant that the romance was put on a back burner. It's why you'll find that the vast majority of the scenes with Liara are the same regardless of whether or not you're romancing her.

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

Daemul wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

It's not a dating sim nor can a game present conversations in a very realistic way, but you get a decent amount of content it seems?

Content? What content is this? Liara acts the same towards Shepard whether they're friends or lovers, even after reaffirming the relationship on Mars.

Read my post above.. kind of clarified where I was coming from.

I was still writing that post when you replied, so I never saw it in time.

[Han Shot First]

Assuming Shepard's LI is on the Normandy I think it is likely they were intimate more than one time. After all the plot of ME3 likely stretches months at the least. You're only seeing small glimpses of these characters lives during that period, rather than every waking moment. It is also likely they had more than five or six conversations.

[McFlurry598]

Frybread76 wrote...

The relationship does seem inconsistent throughout the game, IMO.

[marcelo caldas]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'd be happy if I were a Liara fan. A lot of other players get screwed (no pun intended).

It's not a dating sim nor can a game present conversations in a very realistic way, but you get a decent amount of content it seems? It's at the point now where people just declare this particular "romance" as canon. Even though Casey Hudson says there is no canon.. but that just shows how dominant Liara's presence is. It makes even the creator of the series look like he's wrong.

"Casey Hudson says there is no canon.."
Liar

[RangerSG]

StreetMagic wrote...

Daemul wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

If it's really that bad, I take back what I said. I only speak from the perspective of non-romanced. I figured since she had many lines, I thought it was positive (I romanced Jack btw.. so you'll see where I'm coming from. She's barely in the game).

The problem is Bio ware tried to write Liara as Shepards main friend/advisor but this meant that the romance was put on a back burner. It's why you'll find that the vast majority of the scenes with Liara are the same regardless of whether or not you're romancing her.

I can't tell what her role is really. As someone who doesn't romance her, I find her overbearing. And now I'm hearing people who do romance her think there isn't enough content.

If it makes you feel better, I'd prefer you guys getting as much "personalized/romance" type of content as possible, but only if she stops being my advisor. That way everyone's happy.

I don't think that anyone is saying there isn't enough content. Certainly Liara doesn't need MORE lines. I would agree with what was said above, for ME3 if your character had consistently romanced 1 character, it should've been as easy to continue every romance as it was to lock in Tali, for instance. A "Yes I'm still interested" once ought to have been enough. If there was a triangle involved, then I understand the need for 'switches,' so to speak, to indictate which romance the PC intended to carry through. 

And I would say it's not even that Liara calls Shepard a friend, it's HOW she calls him a friend. She uses it at times she should be more familiar. There's nothing wrong with saying a lover is a friend as well. But she uses it in almost exclusive contexts.

[wright1978]

StreetMagic wrote...

I can't tell what her role is really. As someone who doesn't romance her, I find her overbearing. And now I'm hearing people who do romance her think there isn't enough content.

If it makes you feel better, I'd prefer you guys getting as much "personalized/romance" type of content as possible, but only if she stops being my advisor. That way everyone's happy.

Think the fact that so much of her content was doubled up it ended up falling into the cracks, not satisfying for players who romanced her and irritating those that didn't by being far too intimate. Hence the she's distant to she's a stalker extremes.

[marcelo caldas]

StreetMagic wrote...

caldas wrote...

"Casey Hudson says there is no canon.."
Liar

Are you saying I'm a liar or he is?  It's easy enough to look up.

"We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

http://www.joystiq.c...ffer-you-a-cho/

Han Shot First wrote...

After all the plot of ME3 likely stretches months at the least.

That's another thing I'm not sure on either.

....but I've derailed enough.

I was talking about him of course.

"In ME3 we'll have no reaper killswitch"
"There will be no ABC ending"
etc.

[Derpy]

IMHO Liara is very forced upon Shepard and thus I am not a fan of her.

[von uber]

The lotsb romance (especially as a continuation) is really well done and has real emotional heft. It should set you up well for me3.
Then comes the mars scene and it's massively disappointing. It's only been 6 bloody months!

[Darks1d3]

von uber wrote...

The lotsb romance (especially as a continuation) is really well done and has real emotional heft. It should set you up well for me3.
Then comes the mars scene and it's massively disappointing. It's only been 6 bloody months!

I know. I wanted to say "Isn't 6 months the equivalent of 3 days for your species anyways?"