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[musicalfrog7]

Sorry, was trying to put this in the spoiler forum but did not see a 'Post New Topic' button like all the other forums had. :/

So
almost the first thing that happens upon getting into the castle is
speaking to Jowan in one of the cells. I haven't completed the rest of
the castle yet but this guy sounds pretty harmless. That and there's
the whole 'I want to make up for all the crap I've done.' So I find it
odd that my approval rating from Sten goes down after I let him out.

Oh?
What's this? A big bad Qunari who slaughtered an entire family does not
like me letting out poor little Jowan? Oh, right, I think there are
some similiarities here....

Let's see, a very capable and
dangerous Qunari who slaughtered an entire family and was left in a
cage to rot but wants to repent is nothing at all like a questionably
dangerous Blood Mage who got in trouble with the mage circle for
practicing forbidden arts, was left to rot in a jail cell but wants to
make up for?

It bothers me that Jowan has almost the exact same
situation as Sten and yet he doesn't like it when you release him.
Completely hypocritical.

Granted, I'm still early on in the game
and hardly know a thing about Sten's story but so far he's been
incredibly irritating. Oh, so you get upset when I try to help people,
hm? What was that little bit about trying to repent for slaughtering
people?

I'd love to get the chance to tell Sten to stfu next time he starts complaining.

[David Gaider]

You'll note, perhaps, that Sten initially neither wanted to be let out of his cage nor thought he *should* be let out of his cage. If you think there are similarities between Sten's story and Jowan's, consider the possibility that Sten sees those same similarities.



And you'll have plenty of opportunity to argue with him -- as you'll no doubt eventually find out, if you care to.

[musicalfrog7]

Thank you, Mr. Gaider. I should have thought about that though since I never saw him express any opinions on letting him out....I suppose I drew the similiarities because they both want to repent and he at least wants to be able to do that right?



I still don't quite understand why then he gets upset at certain things.



And having a mouthful with him sounds fun.

[th3warr1or]

*Spoilers* I had a big argument with Sten and he wanted to overthrow me. I decided to fight him. He lost(naturally) and decided to continue listening to me..

[implodinggoat]

musicalfrog7 wrote...

Oh?
What's this? A big bad Qunari who slaughtered an entire family does not
like me letting out poor little Jowan? Oh, right, I think there are
some similiarities here....

Let's see, a very capable and
dangerous Qunari who slaughtered an entire family and was left in a
cage to rot but wants to repent is nothing at all like a questionably
dangerous Blood Mage who got in trouble with the mage circle for
practicing forbidden arts, was left to rot in a jail cell but wants to
make up for?

It bothers me that Jowan has almost the exact same
situation as Sten and yet he doesn't like it when you release him.
Completely hypocritical.

Sten would probably say releasing him was an unneccessary tactical risk as well.  Which is probably why he doesn't repsect your leadership.

[PatT2]

Sten distrusts magic. part of his reason.

Sten does not say he wants to repent (he only wishes to regain his honor). Later the game will reveal to you the circumstances of his act and you might feel quite differently when you learn that, plus you learn about the Qunari themselves.

Perhaps Sten sees something you do not. If you make a different background choice, you will find your ability to believe Jowan a little more strained.

Play on, girl. You have much to learn.

[Nashimura]

I have a 100% no tolerance on people questioning me....anyone who does gets put in there place. I have no friends

Have had bad words with morrigan, Alister and sten

Sten is dead

Morrigan is gone

Alister pouted and moaned but backed down haha

Modifié par Nashimura, 20 novembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[gelfie]

Although they are similar, there is a difference between the two, which you will learn about if you play the Mage origin story. Jowan sought to break the rules and knowingly did so by becoming a Blood Mage and by agreeing to poison Arl Eamon. Unless I've missed a conversation along the way, Sten never sought to break his code and I cannot imagine him becoming complicit in a plot to murder someone important to his country as Jowan was. Jowan's a slippery wretch who [seemingly] habitually transgresses who tries hard to make himself likeable where Sten does not try to be likeable and is absolutely honest. I felt that Sten was repelled by Jowan's unwillingness to take responsibility for himself and be honest.

[BluesMan1956]

Everyone is a hypocrite when you get right down to it. It's best to judge thine own heart rather than the hearts of others.

[Warskullx]

Sten doesn't trust mages. The Qunari apparently look at all mages with disdain. Its probably more that you are letting a mage go than letting a prisoner go.

[Maria Caliban]

A hypocrite is one who professes a virtue they don't have. Sten never says he's a good, kind, caring, or forgiving person.

[BluesMan1956]

Maria Caliban wrote...

A hypocrite is one who professes a virtue they don't have. Sten never says he's a good, kind, caring, or forgiving person.

I would expand it to those who complain about others who complain about others who don't have such qualities when they, themselves, also do not posess those qualites.  Best to just keep quiet.  The only behavior one can truly influence is ones own

[MrGOH]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

A hypocrite is one who professes a virtue they don't have. Sten never says he's a good, kind, caring, or forgiving person.

I would expand it to those who complain about others who complain about others who don't have such qualities when they, themselves, also do not posess those qualites.  Best to just keep quiet.  The only behavior one can truly influence is ones own

So quit whining about the whiners!

Whiner.

[BluesMan1956]

MrGOH wrote...

BluesMan1956 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

A hypocrite is one who professes a virtue they don't have. Sten never says he's a good, kind, caring, or forgiving person.

I would expand it to those who complain about others who complain about others who don't have such qualities when they, themselves, also do not posess those qualites.  Best to just keep quiet.  The only behavior one can truly influence is ones own

So quit whining about the whiners!

Whiner.

Well, excuse my impartation of wisdom tthat comes with all of my grey hairs. <_<

[Lucy Glitter]

Sten is cool. I like Sten a lot.

[veryalien]

gelfie wrote...

Although they are similar, there is a difference between the two, which you will learn about if you play the Mage origin story. Jowan sought to break the rules and knowingly did so by becoming a Blood Mage and by agreeing to poison Arl Eamon. Unless I've missed a conversation along the way, Sten never sought to break his code and I cannot imagine him becoming complicit in a plot to murder someone important to his country as Jowan was. Jowan's a slippery wretch who [seemingly] habitually transgresses who tries hard to make himself likeable where Sten does not try to be likeable and is absolutely honest. I felt that Sten was repelled by Jowan's unwillingness to take responsibility for himself and be honest.

It's not Jowan's fault though. Jowan's a product of the system. He's like some kid who gets put in and out of juvenile detention because he excels at shoplifting. If only someone would cut him some slack and give him some direction instead of constantly try to use him or lobotomize him he may have a shot at doing some good.

Remember what we learned in KOTOR. Everyone can seek redemption

[Nyaore]

Jowan is pretty much the quintesential person who would get on Sten's bad side from what I've seen. He does not seem completely ready to make peace with what he did at times (My current impression of Sten is that he hates indecisiveness), he makes excuses (Sten bit my head off when I tried to do the same thing), and he just generally does not come off as a very strong individual when you get down to it - and I'm not even talking about magical or physical strength here but rather one's mental fortitude. Of course Sten would be a sour puss when it comes to dealing with someone like Jowan, and that's not even considering the fact that Jowan is a mage to boot.

Modifié par Nyaore, 20 novembre 2009 - 04:44 .

[BluesMan1956]

Jowan is a turd.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sten and my character eventually became bestest buds and got over the mage thing. But I agree that Sten would hate someone like Jowan. God, I wanted to gut him myself after finding him in Eamon's dungeon, but no, I was playing a (mostly) good character who couldn't make herself kill him in cold blood. Pfft.

[Korva]

Full agreement with gelfie. Jowan was nothing but trash who got himself into the whole mess with eyes wide open. He has no excuses. And the worst of it is that he dragged many other people to a horrible fate with him. Still, much as I dislike him, he didn't get on my case NEARLY as much as that worthless screeching b* Isolde. Now SHE is the definition of hypocrite for you.

[Akka le Vil]

Jowan is a somewhat coward man that doesn't think things through nor imagine the consequences.

But at least he shows true remorses, realize quickly that he really f-ed it up, try to rectify his faults, and accepts any punishment coming his way with dignity and understanding it's deserved.



That's much, much better than practically any other "evil" guy in the guy, and the reason he was the only one I found actually redeemable.

[Axterix]

I'm sure Sten would have been fine with letting him out if you had removed Jowan's tongue first

[Recidiva]

Sten is a difficult character to read, but it comes down to his sense of place and purpose. Qunari despise magic and distrust anything magical. As the purpose of the Grey Wardens is to fight darkspawn, he's not happy if you're not directly fighting darkspawn (most of the game...)

But I was surprised to see that in paying the young girl and her brother for The Green Blade, he says "an honorable act" and you get positive approval. So it's very specific to him. Go toward darkspawn, tell him to get in line and do his job, he listens.

Get him his sword, he no longer questions you.

So it is hard to gauge what he's going to do in a given circumstance, but he doesn't like cowardly acts, he doesn't like dishonorable acts, and he despises magic.

[ComTrav]

I like Sten a lot. I think he's made intentionally enigmatic, especially at first. He is from a culture that's completely alien to any PC origin, there are a few points he struggles with the native language (Fereldenese?), and he also seems designed to punish my instinct of going for 'nice' responses .



First playthrough, totally screwed things up with him. Second playthrough, lucked out a bit and got him up to +100 easily. It's all-or-nothing with Sten. He likes decisiveness, directness, and doesn't like being distracted from your goal.



And there is a point where he can try to fight you, which was pretty awesome and even unexpected. If you play it right, though, he not only stays with you, but you get +Influence.

[Vilegrim]

musicalfrog7 wrote...

Sorry, was trying to put this in the spoiler forum but did not see a 'Post New Topic' button like all the other forums had. :/

So
almost the first thing that happens upon getting into the castle is
speaking to Jowan in one of the cells. I haven't completed the rest of
the castle yet but this guy sounds pretty harmless. That and there's
the whole 'I want to make up for all the crap I've done.' So I find it
odd that my approval rating from Sten goes down after I let him out.

Oh?
What's this? A big bad Qunari who slaughtered an entire family does not
like me letting out poor little Jowan? Oh, right, I think there are
some similiarities here....

Let's see, a very capable and
dangerous Qunari who slaughtered an entire family and was left in a
cage to rot but wants to repent is nothing at all like a questionably
dangerous Blood Mage who got in trouble with the mage circle for
practicing forbidden arts, was left to rot in a jail cell but wants to
make up for?

It bothers me that Jowan has almost the exact same
situation as Sten and yet he doesn't like it when you release him.
Completely hypocritical.

Granted, I'm still early on in the game
and hardly know a thing about Sten's story but so far he's been
incredibly irritating. Oh, so you get upset when I try to help people,
hm? What was that little bit about trying to repent for slaughtering
people?

I'd love to get the chance to tell Sten to stfu next time he starts complaining.

Jowan uses blood for power his own or somebody elses(blood that is), Sten lost his honour and lahed out blindly, Theres a difference between a cold calculating sacrifice, and an honourable person loosing the plot.