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[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

ME2 is no Michael Bay film. It's character driven and the plot unravels with a fairly slow mystery/investigative approach. It's not a blockbuster spectacle.

So do The Rock and The Island. 

(shrug)

[dreamgazer]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still look at the games like this.

ME 1 is a Peter Jackson film - Overall good but with some minor sillyness.
ME 2 is a Michael Bay film - Dumb and overall pointless but with some nice explosions.
ME 3 is M. Night Shyamalan....Nuff said.

Best comparisons I have heard yet!

How so? 

How is ME1 like Peter Jackson's work, at all?

Also, keep in mind that every single film in the Mass Effect trilogy has a nonsensical twist at the end.

Every. Single. One.

[ImaginaryMatter]

StreetMagic wrote...

But you do like ME3's gameplay, right? You seem like a big fan of the game in general.. And a lot of that is just an improvement of ME2. I think they finally found their stride in ME3's combat with what they were going for in ME2.

I actually like ME2's combat more, while I like the fast pace of ME3's combat, I think it ultimately suffered from being imported from the multiplayer. Power combos are nice but when playing as Shepard it is way too easy to prime and detonate combos.

[dreamgazer]

starlitegirlx wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still look at the games like this.

ME 1 is a Peter Jackson film - Overall good but with some minor sillyness.
ME 2 is a Michael Bay film - Dumb and overall pointless but with some nice explosions.
ME 3 is M. Night Shyamalan....Nuff said.

Best comparisons I have heard yet!

How so? 

How is ME1 like Peter Jackson's work, at all?

Also, keep in mind that every single film in the Mass Effect trilogy has a nonsensical twist at the end.

Every. Single. One.

Uh well, Peter Jackson films to his fans are fun and awesome. Inspiring even.
Michael Bay basically likes to blow **** up. He's not particularly talented. He makes popcorn flicks that often are focused on blowing crap up. Basically dumbed down fun with lots of explosions and some good CGI when needed.
Night's twists are terrible... His only good one was The Sixth Sense, and he's been riding on that success since what? 2000? He had one good idea. ONE. The rest? Mediocre at best with some horrendous failures. The films content until the twist at the end can actually be very good. In fact, the films until the end are generally enjoyable. But the end is often so bad that it leaves a sour taste in people's mouth that is strong enough to keep them from seeing another Night film IF they are aware that it is a Night fllm.

Now please remove yourself from the nice conversation I was having before you decided to jump in like a rude troll.

Not trolling if someone simply disputes the logic in a really shoddy comparison. 

I'd still like to know how Mass Effect is anything like The Frighteners, Dead Alive, or Heavenly Creatures.

And you still haven't addressed the fact that every single game has a crazy, silly twist (also, Unbreakable is great). 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 16 février 2014 - 02:26 .

[spirosz]

Best comparisons? Deep character development in the second game - yes, not so important story, but it had a lot of strengths that the other two lacked, as the other two have each and their own strengths as well.

[angol fear]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I still look at the games like this.
ME 3 is M. Night Shyamalan....Nuff said.

If you want a real comparison, a movie that is really close in its writing, in its ambition, ME 3 is more like Bong Joon-Ho's snowpiercer.

[IoCaster]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

There was a thread a few weeks ago on the subject. It was just about bringing back exploration. But one idiot wanted to keep going on and on about " why would you want more mountains and nothingness and cookie-cutter hide-outs???". The idiot couldn't comprehend the fact that we wanted a new and improved form of exploration......not the exact flaws of ME1. Ofcourse, it only takes common sense to see what us "explorers" are asking for.....I have to imagine that the idiot was simply trolling...

The issue I see is a new and improved form of exploration draining resources elsewhere. What would you be willing to give up for a focus on exploration? That's an important question that will differ player to player. My answer is: nothing. (well, maybe fetch quests, but those budgets wouldn't be anywhere near substitutive)

I'd be willing to give up all the Hollywood style cutscenes that eat up so much of the budget and have them dedicate those resources to actual gameplay. Most of the combat segments in ME3 are relatively short compared to ME1-2, but they're artificially extended out and padded by an excessive amount of cutscenes. So yeah, I'd be happy enough if they brought back exploration and more actual gameplay content instead of blowing their budget on awful and unnecessary cinematic BS like all of the Kai Leng crap. 

[Mcfly616]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

There was a thread a few weeks ago on the subject. It was just about bringing back exploration. But one idiot wanted to keep going on and on about " why would you want more mountains and nothingness and cookie-cutter hide-outs???". The idiot couldn't comprehend the fact that we wanted a new and improved form of exploration......not the exact flaws of ME1. Ofcourse, it only takes common sense to see what us "explorers" are asking for.....I have to imagine that the idiot was simply trolling...

The issue I see is a new and improved form of exploration draining resources elsewhere. What would you be willing to give up for a focus on exploration?

Hmm I'd be willing to give up all the nothingness they added in place of all the stuff they took out. I mean, it obviously took time and resources butchering the inventory/powers/exploration from ME1 and implementing it in ME2. Take the time and resources that were spent butchering gameplay mechanics and actually spend it implementing and refining them.....



'cause hey, something is always better than nothing. 


I'm still not sure what they did with all the time and resources they were using on ME2. Between what they removed from the experience and what they added.....it's not balanced at all. They've removed much more than they've ever added.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 16 février 2014 - 03:47 .

[marcelo caldas]

Mesina2 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Hate is too strong a word, I prefer disappointed.

Hugely disappointing.

I do hate Omega DLC, though.

Omega DLC was a joke, honestly.

[RaenImrahl]

Let's turn the bickering down, please, and move on. Thanks!

-- RI

[dreamgazer]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Unbeakable was average at best. Really, it was mediocre. Not even that good. It actually failed at the end because it seemed like it would have a better ending. But it was a failure. I saw that movie almost 15 years ago and (13 to be exact) and I still remember how at the end I was thinking 'that's it? Really?' and what's more interesting is that I dont' even remember what the ending specifically was. I only vaguely remember the movie. I only vaguely remember most of Night's movies beyond how the ending was wildly disappointing EXCEPT for The Sixth Sense.

There's more to a movie than the surprise of its ending. Unbreakable is a great example, whereas Sixth Sense really only has its plothole-ridden twist.

I didn't compare it to the actual movies. You did. It was compared to the directors KINDS of movies. Now, if you really understood directing and directors and their styles, you would understand the geneal comparisons. At this point, you're just being a troll about it. So I'm done. You feel like a punk that likes to kick up trouble to me. I have no time for that kind of toolishness.

Oh, I understand directors and their styles better than you, obviously, since you're entirely about rote generalization and not about nuanced outlooks on the directors' actual body of work. You simply don't like that your celebrated "best comparison" falls apart with even mild scrutiny. Not my problem.

And you still didn't address the fact that every game has a bonkers twist.

[RaenImrahl]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Let's turn the bickering down, please, and move on. Thanks!

-- RI

One more time, with feeling: Arguing about the merits of certain movies (or your abilities to interpret said movies) is off topic. Last warning.

[CronoDragoon]

Mcfly616 wrote...
I'm still not sure what they did with all the time and resources they were using on ME2. Between what they removed from the experience and what they added.....it's not balanced at all. They've removed much more than they've ever added.

Playtimes have increased or stayed the same as the series progressed. So where'd those hours go if they added "nothing"?

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 16 février 2014 - 05:39 .

[Mcfly616]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
I'm still not sure what they did with all the time and resources they were using on ME2. Between what they removed from the experience and what they added.....it's not balanced at all. They've removed much more than they've ever added.

Playtimes have increased or stayed the same as the series progressed. So where'd those hours go if they added "nothing"?

planet scanning, more hallways....Yay


But in terms of exploration, inventory and powers....nothing was added. It was all taken away/butchered/dumbed down. Ofcourse, this was already discussed before the post you quoted. (hence the final line: "they've removed much more than they've ever added")

Modifié par Mcfly616, 16 février 2014 - 05:50 .

[CronoDragoon]

Mcfly616 wrote...
 planet scanning

Planet scanning doesn't account for nearly all of that time.

more hallways....Yay

Where do those hallways take place? Story or character driven missions you say, something ME1 lacks in comparison?

But in terms of exploration, inventory and powers....nothing was added. It was all taken away/butchered/dumbed down. Ofcourse, this was already discussed before the post you quoted.

Do you know what butchers do? They take a mess of an animal and make nice hunks of delicious meat for you to take with you. That is ultimately what the inventory, weapon, and power systems become. Refined from a mess of fat and skin with meat hidden somewhere inside.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 16 février 2014 - 05:54 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Mcfly616 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
I'm still not sure what they did with all the time and resources they were using on ME2. Between what they removed from the experience and what they added.....it's not balanced at all. They've removed much more than they've ever added.

Playtimes have increased or stayed the same as the series progressed. So where'd those hours go if they added "nothing"?

planet scanning, more hallways....Yay


But in terms of exploration, inventory and powers....nothing was added. It was all taken away/butchered/dumbed down. Ofcourse, this was already discussed before the post you quoted. (hence the final line: "they've removed much more than they've ever added")

ME1 didn't have exploration, you had a map which gave you the location of everything you needed, reducing the "exploration" sections to nothing more than driving around on boring landscapes; it was basically a hallway only you got to choose if artifacts ABC were collected in order BCA, which is hardly exploration, just on e large open hallway.

[Mcfly616]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
 planet scanning

Planet scanning doesn't account for nearly all of that time.

more hallways....Yay

Where do those hallways take place? Story or character driven missions you say, something ME1 lacks in comparison?

But in terms of exploration, inventory and powers....nothing was added. It was all taken away/butchered/dumbed down. Ofcourse, this was already discussed before the post you quoted.

Do you know what butchers do? They take a mess of an animal and make nice hunks of delicious meat for you to take with you. That is ultimately what the inventory, weapon, and power systems become. Refined from a mess of fat and skin with meat hidden somewhere inside. ME1 is very rough and has the seeds of some good ideas, but had they kept them the same the entire series these
aspects woulbe
failures.

Eh you want to take every word I say and twist it in whatever way suits your argument, be my guest. Though, it's not gonna get you anywhere. If you took the time to read, I've already addressed half the things you brought up.

The time Planet Scanning takes is completely subjective. However, the fact that it takes the place of ME1's 'uncharted worlds' is not debatable. Planet Scanning replaced ME1's exploration.


Idc what a professional butcher does. I know what the term "butchered" means. Seeing as that's exactly what I said, and that I didn't bring up a butcher at all....seems you're confused. I do know that when a Crime Scene Investigator says that the young lady was "butchered" beyond all recognition, that obviously means she's much less than she once was. When a coach says his team got butchered, I know that means they got ran out of the building.

Sorry but ME2 didn't give me all the nice little trimmed pieces of meat. No, it threw the meat in the trash and left it there. There is no inventory. There is no exploration. And powers....well they certainly "trimmed" it.....but not for the better.


Where were the hallways? Every mission. Every single mission in ME2 you are walking down a linear path. Whether it be a man made hallway, or outside. You have no where to go but straight on any given mission.