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[Seboist]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Idc how small the Normandy is compared to a cruiser. It's the most advanced ship in the galaxy for a reason. Just because it took 2 years to build it, doesn't mean anything in regards to a bigger yet much less technologically advanced ship.


I'm well aware how much Shepard "cost". Who cares about billions when they could possibly have trillions? Quadrillions? Their donors could be billionaires from all over. Point is, you don't know how deep their pocketbook is, and you don't know that they never had other ships.

(I mean, they had multiple space stations and facilities all over the galaxy....but you find it hard to believe that they have ships? Hmm...)


Your argument holds no water without the knowledge of such things....

Nothing fishy about a small black ops gone rogue that was implied to have been destroyed in ME1 becoming a galactic sith empire capable of waging war on multiple fronts and invading the freakin salarian homeworld, no sir.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Even if that was canonized, which it wasn't, it is stated to have gotten "billions" for human interests Not the trillions it would have taken for Cerberus. In the first game, Cerberus is a truly incompetent fringe group that does stupid crap for stupid reasons. In the second, they got a single not-totally inept member(Miranda). Then, their whole, bank breaking investment fails to pay off, Timmy gets screwed, and their 350+ billion dollar ship gets ex-patriot-ed to the Alliance. Now between here and then, what could have made them able to build not only shipyards capable of making a fleet in less than a year, but then make a fleet of cruisers and raise a gigantic standing army?

Option A: From your assumptions, Cerberus had a financial base rivaling that of the Alliance and the capabilities to raise a substantial navy, plus a huge standing army, in less than a year, although this was mentioned said once, but they just decided to never do it before for... reasons.

Option B: Mac Walters tried to shove his "Cerberus is awesome, humanity is oh so very special view" from his comics down our throats, starting in ME2 by overriding the original plot that Shepard is revived by the Geth and then ret-conning Cerberus into a standing military.

Going by Occam's Razor, which option takes less assumptions? I'm going with option B

[Andrew Lucas]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't care enough to hate it and even if I did, I wouldn't. At the end of the day, it's just a good game that had a bad ending.

Exactly.

[The Heretic of Time]

StreetMagic wrote...

When he's asked who his favorite character is, it's Garrus.

I thought he said TIM is his favorite character?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Garrus, Aria, and Timmy are his 3 favorite. Which two got shoehorned in? (As much as I would've loved to get Aria as a squadmate instead of the VS in ME3.)

[von uber]

I thought liara was supposed to be his favourite.

And yes mass effect needed more aria.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Any of the following should've replaced the VS:
Aria
Tela Vasir
Samara
Grunt
Miranda
Kirrahe/Jundum Bau
Bray
Blasto

I don't hate ME3, but it could've been so much better.

Including, not making Cerberus feel like the primary antagonist, instead of, you know, the Reapers.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...


Besides the minor detail that as of the end of ME2, Cerberus didn't have enough operatives (let alone trained operatives) to crew even one cruiser?

That it took two years to secretly build a single frigate?

That the Lazarus Project was a significant financial and technical drain on Cerberus, made worse by the Grayson incident, so Cerberus wasn't even operating at peak capacity?

As far as we knew, anyway.

[NuclearPowers]

TheOneTrueBioticGod wrote...

Any of the following should've replaced the VS:
Aria
Tela Vasir
Samara
Grunt
Miranda
Kirrahe/Jundum Bau
Bray
Blasto

I don't hate ME3, but it could've been so much better.

Including, not making Cerberus feel like the primary antagonist, instead of, you know, the Reapers.

This sums it up well.

ME3 wasn't a "bad game". It wasn't a legendary game, either. It falls between the lines of "meh" and "okay I guess" for me. Most of its hate is for the still very disappointing ending.

Though I wish there was more interaction with squad members and more dialogue choices you chose yourself. That was definitely something I felt was missing. 

[eyezonlyii]

TheOneTrueBioticGod wrote...

Any of the following should've replaced the VS:
Aria
Tela Vasir
Samara
Grunt
Miranda
Kirrahe/Jundum Bau
Bray
Blasto

I don't hate ME3, but it could've been so much better.

Including, not making Cerberus feel like the primary antagonist, instead of, you know, the Reapers.

I personally would have like MORE of the VS. Why include them if they're injured for most of the game? ANd I just stumbled onto a possible reason why some ME2 crew did not return. Repitition and team build. For instance, Liara was already coming back, but then you add Jack and/or Samara and all of a sudden you have three "pure biotic" characters. Granted, they don't all play the same way, but it would still be a bit redundant. The case is even worse for Legion/Tali who share two of their three powers in ME2.

On the other hand, imagine if Miranda returned and one had Kaidan as well. Why would you change your party ever? Those two alone with their combined powers would eat up enemies (though I would love to hear the dialogue between them). 
Then you have characters like Jacob and Thane, who's pwersets in my opinion (especially Jacob's) are vastly underwhelming compared to everyone else. 

Though, this could be mitigated and even used as a story mechanic if the rotating squad option had been implemented.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...


Besides the minor detail that as of the end of ME2, Cerberus didn't have enough operatives (let alone trained operatives) to crew even one cruiser?

That it took two years to secretly build a single frigate?

That the Lazarus Project was a significant financial and technical drain on Cerberus, made worse by the Grayson incident, so Cerberus wasn't even operating at peak capacity?

As far as we knew, anyway.

You mean as far as EDI knew, right?

[eyezonlyii]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's why it's a shame the Thessia arc was rewritten. You could've had another biotic replacement.

Grunt should've just been there. Vega was never needed.

I'm actually kind of partial to Vega. He was the one person on the ship who had a positve mood the entire game. I know we're on the clock with a galaxy-ending war, but a little but of light thinking never hurt anyone. If anything, I think he deserved a better intro than the one on Earth. I know to each their own and all, but I was never a real fan of Grunt as to me, there was nothing interesting about him. We already had our tank born clone with issues (Miranda) and the experiment that needed to prove its worth (Jack), so I really didn't like the fact that he was a mashup of the two. And yes, I'm aware of Okeer's reasoning for his existence, but even that does little ameliorate my feelings. I feel like that was covered in ME1 with Wrex's statemenst, then they had to go and make him the "nice guy". I think Wreave would have been a better squaddie just for roleplay/viewpoint purposes.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

How about Kirrahe instead of Vega? Tech specialist with Assault Rifle/Shotgun. I think the reason why they didn't give the VS as much attention as the rest is because there is a decent chance s/he gets shot on the citadel. Either give s/he the full 100% of the others or nothing at all. So why not replace?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Yet we got the VS, EDI (nothing against herself, just a poor squadmate in my mind), and Tali only came in 55% through the game.

I do actually like Vega though. Nice, respectable guy who helps lighten the mood a bit. I'd keep him.

Remember, Kirrahe is technically also a Virmire Survivor.

[eyezonlyii]

TheOneTrueBioticGod wrote...

How about Kirrahe instead of Vega? Tech specialist with Assault Rifle/Shotgun. I think the reason why they didn't give the VS as much attention as the rest is because there is a decent chance s/he gets shot on the citadel. Either give s/he the full 100% of the others or nothing at all. So why not replace?

I understand what you're saying, but I feel by bringing everyone back from the first game EXCEPT the VS would leave a bad taste in people's mouths, especially if they were romanced and one stayed faithful. Garrus and Tali were around the whole time, you could see Wrex on Tuchanka in ME2, Liara was on Illium and got her own DLC, but all the VS had was Horizon, and that was just awful. So I do think they needed to come back, just in a 100% capacity (though it bugs me that Kirrahe's team can make it in ME1, but your soldier can't. Really?)  Plus the only thing your Kirrahe brings to the table is his weapon choice. EDI, Garrus and Tali all are techies to some degree and between them all, cover every gun spot. Without Vega, if you have Kaidan as the VS and don't play a soldier, you don't have a soldier for your team.

EDIT: I also would have made each character have a required mission:Liara- Thessia
Garrus-Palaven/Menae
Tali-Geth Dreadnaught
EDI-Rannoch
James-Tuchanka
Kaidan-Grissom Academy
Ashley-Jacob's Mission
Jack- New Mission (involving students)
Miranda- Chronos Station
Legion-Admiral Korris rescue
Thane-Citadel Coup
Mordin-Sur'Kesh
Samara-Monestary
Traynor/Cortez-Mission to recover some useful communications devices/parts for Normandy (Just for more LI interaction really)

I didn't include Javik, Zaeed or Kasumi because they are DLC and one might not have bought them.

Modifié par eyezonlyii, 20 février 2014 - 02:48 .

[NuclearPowers]

StreetMagic wrote...

It's funny.. Mass Effect has accumulated enough cool characters that it's like a Street Fighter game. Once they made the choice to make a big squad, I think it was a mistake to go back to smaller. Especially for a big war. It would've been cool to get a sample of all of them.

I feel like I got attached to a lot of the ME2 characters, which is another reason why I was a bit disappointed with the lack of ME3 characters. 

Miranda, for example, I made her my LI. My renegade character fit with no one else, so I just went with it. Now she was there in ME3, but, it didn't feel like she got what she deserved.

Garrus and Tali, again? Yeah.. I like Garrus and Tali, don't get me wrong, but.. all three games. While good characters, that I'd love to have in my squad, were completely scrapped as squad members.

I just thought they'd get the deal that people DO get attached to characters, and not exactly do an Ashley/Kaidan and basically let them make a cameo and bring in new characters. I like new characters, but, there's Jack, Grunt, etc. that we may never see again and get to know even better. 

Modifié par NuclearPowers, 20 février 2014 - 02:40 .

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

eyezonlyii wrote...

TheOneTrueBioticGod wrote...

How about Kirrahe instead of Vega? Tech specialist with Assault Rifle/Shotgun. I think the reason why they didn't give the VS as much attention as the rest is because there is a decent chance s/he gets shot on the citadel. Either give s/he the full 100% of the others or nothing at all. So why not replace?

I understand what you're saying, but I feel by bringing everyone back from the first game EXCEPT the VS would leave a bad taste in people's mouths, especially if they were romanced and one stayed faithful. Garrus and Tali were around the whole time, you could see Wrex on Tuchanka in ME2, Liara was on Illium and got her own DLC, but all the VS had was Horizon, and that was just awful. So I do think they needed to come back, just in a 100% capacity (though it bugs me that Kirrahe's team can make it in ME1, but your soldier can't. Really?)  Plus the only thing your Kirrahe brings to the table is his weapon choice. EDI, Garrus and Tali all are techies to some degree and between them all, cover every gun spot. Without Vega, if you have Kaidan as the VS and don't play a soldier, you don't have a soldier for your team.

Yeah, guess you have a point. More like tech-assisted soldier; grenades, carnage, marksman, overload. Any STG soldier worth his salt has gotta have some experience with electronics. And I said in a later post, I would keep Vega. People would be dissapointed without the VS, true. I only ever saved Ashley, found Kaidan to be really guddamn boring, like stale bread. And her only worthwhile scene was her hungover. We got an optional romance with Jessica Chobot(who actually did that?), so having Kirrage/Bau to replace her development time might've been a good idea.

I would add Kirrahe/Bau, give the VS more lines, and give us more of a tank-biotic, like Samara/Wrex/Aria. Liara is too much of a glass cannon and Javik is 10$ DLC and has not-so-useful biotic attacks. Not saying I'd replace, but I'd add one a good mixture of the two. 

Garrus
Tali
Liara
Vega
Kirrage/Bau(if Kirrahe died)
Javik
VS
Aria/Vasir/Samara. You chose.

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

It's funny.. Mass Effect has accumulated enough cool characters that it's like a Street Fighter game. Once they made the choice to make a big squad, I think it was a mistake to go back to smaller. Especially for a big war. It would've been cool to get a sample of all of them.

Except  the squad we did get had little enough content (except Liara and Garrus).  If we went baqck to having a dozen squadmates, or even more, we'd have had a ship full of mimes.

The mistake was in having such a ginormous squad in ME2 to begin with. 

[Chaos Gate]

I never hated ME3. In fact, it's one of my favourite games of all time. I was even okay with the (extended cut) ending, as I saw it as quite a ballsy way to end Shep's story.

For me, ME3 rectified all the mistakes ME2 made, and brought the series back in-line with the aspirations the original ME game had for the franchise. Like another poster has said, I feel that ME3 was the true and proper sequel to ME, a return to the saga's roots.

[themikefest]

eyezonlyii wrote...

Traynor/Cortez-Mission to recover some useful communications devices/parts for Normandy (Just for more LI interaction really)

That would be cool.

Modifié par themikefest, 20 février 2014 - 04:39 .