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[Reorte]

Surprise surprise, the obnoxious whingers have turned up to have a go at people who didn't like something and had the cheek to actually say so.

[voteDC]

The ending of ME3 doesn't annoy me as much as the continuing over the top hysterics over it does.

I don't see any hysterics about the ending in this thread. Just good discussion.

Personally I find those like yourself who want to stop discussing it to be the odd ones. Books that are hundreds of years old are still discussed today. People still debate hidden meanings of movies that are decades old.

Yet that people want to discuss whether the ending of a game trilogy suits its themes is somehow wrong? Why?

[Viruk]

First post and all that, huzzah!

 

Anyway, let me come at this from a slightly different angle than most here, almost everyone here is a fan of the Mass Effect series, I wasn't when I started, in fact I actively avoided the games which is why I'm so late to the party.

 

For a while I had a stupid mentality, something along the lines of a "gaming hipster" where I tended to aggressively avoid games that I feel are overhyped and tended to have a fanbase that can at times be quite militant at times, it was a stupid way to think as I should have taken games on their own merit instead of looking at hype and the obsessive fanbois.

 

A few years ago, I picked up ME and ME2 in a Steam sale, they languished in my Steam list unplayed for years, fairly recently I had quite a lot of not too nice stuff happen and for me gaming is a way to get away from life.. so I looked to Mass Effect as a game I could potentially sink a lot of time into.. so I started on ME1.

 

I didn't expect much, kind of expected to be disappointed but ended up putting in over 150hrs into ME1 alone, as a game it was enjoyable, not amazing, pretty janky but still a lot of fun but it was the story that pulled me in more than anything.

 

After finishing ME1, I was looking forward to ME2 and I wasn't disappointed, as a game it far outshone ME1 and although I feel the story was good.. as an actual story it was filler mixed with adding in new characters with a bit of foreshadowing for ME3, I put in even more time in ME2 and I did the first one and by the time I was finished I was hyped for ME3.

 

I started ME3 and found it much harder to get into than the first two, it was a lot of small things, not being able to lower/holster weapons and other small immersion damaging things but once I did get into it I really enjoyed the game and the story.. of course as a gamer I'd heard of the furore about the ME3 ending but didn't know more than that as at the time I didn't play or even plan on playing the game.. and yeah... time to beat a dead horse.

 

I've never seen the original ending as I started after the extended version was out, I don't mind some plot holes, most big stories have them but the ending didn't blow me away as the three games had, I didn't hate it like a lot do I just felt disappointed for weeks afterwards at such a lethargic ending, I felt the ending should have been as epic as the three games before but for me a good story gives you some things to think about, a bit of ambiguity and most importantly of all, leaves you satisfied that the hundreds of hours you put into playing the story was time well used and I didn't feel any of these things.

 

As games, I enjoyed all three but I don't remember feeling as disappointed in a game as I did at the end of ME3, not so much just because it was a pretty "meh" ending but because it should have been just so much more.

 

Anyway, apologies for the wall of text, just wanted somewhere to vent where people may actually understand what I'm talking about.

 

Cheers.

[ImaginaryMatter]

First post and all that, huzzah!

 

Anyway, let me come at this from a slightly different angle than most here, almost everyone here is a fan of the Mass Effect series, I wasn't when I started, in fact I actively avoided the games which is why I'm so late to the party.

 

For a while I had a stupid mentality, something along the lines of a "gaming hipster" where I tended to aggressively avoid games that I feel are overhyped and tended to have a fanbase that can at times be quite militant at times, it was a stupid way to think as I should have taken games on their own merit instead of looking at hype and the obsessive fanbois.

 

A few years ago, I picked up ME and ME2 in a Steam sale, they languished in my Steam list unplayed for years, fairly recently I had quite a lot of not too nice stuff happen and for me gaming is a way to get away from life.. so I looked to Mass Effect as a game I could potentially sink a lot of time into.. so I started on ME1.

 

I didn't expect much, kind of expected to be disappointed but ended up putting in over 150hrs into ME1 alone, as a game it was enjoyable, not amazing, pretty janky but still a lot of fun but it was the story that pulled me in more than anything.

 

After finishing ME1, I was looking forward to ME2 and I wasn't disappointed, as a game it far outshone ME1 and although I feel the story was good.. as an actual story it was filler mixed with adding in new characters with a bit of foreshadowing for ME3, I put in even more time in ME2 and I did the first one and by the time I was finished I was hyped for ME3.

 

I started ME3 and found it much harder to get into than the first two, it was a lot of small things, not being able to lower/holster weapons and other small immersion damaging things but once I did get into it I really enjoyed the game and the story.. of course as a gamer I'd heard of the furore about the ME3 ending but didn't know more than that as at the time I didn't play or even plan on playing the game.. and yeah... time to beat a dead horse.

 

I've never seen the original ending as I started after the extended version was out, I don't mind some plot holes, most big stories have them but the ending didn't blow me away as the three games had, I didn't hate it like a lot do I just felt disappointed for weeks afterwards at such a lethargic ending, I felt the ending should have been as epic as the three games before but for me a good story gives you some things to think about, a bit of ambiguity and most importantly of all, leaves you satisfied that the hundreds of hours you put into playing the story was time well used and I didn't feel any of these things.

 

As games, I enjoyed all three but I don't remember feeling as disappointed in a game as I did at the end of ME3, not so much just because it was a pretty "meh" ending but because it should have been just so much more.

 

Anyway, apologies for the wall of text, just wanted somewhere to vent where people may actually understand what I'm talking about.

 

Cheers.

 

Welcome to the mad house party.

[Viruk]

Welcome to the mad house party.

 

heh, thanks. 

 

I'm kind of sitting here wondering if I should do another playthrough this weekend or not.

 

Ugh, decisions decisions.

[Eralrik]

Welcome Viruk to the Animal House may your posts show wisdom and humor in equal doses and I enjoyed reading your post.

[AlanC9]

I've never seen the original ending as I started after the extended version was out, I don't mind some plot holes, most big stories have them but the ending didn't blow me away as the three games had, I didn't hate it like a lot do I just felt disappointed for weeks afterwards at such a lethargic ending, I felt the ending should have been as epic as the three games before but for me a good story gives you some things to think about, a bit of ambiguity and most importantly of all, leaves you satisfied that the hundreds of hours you put into playing the story was time well used and I didn't feel any of these things.

 

Good post. The italed confuses me a bit, though. I thought ME3 delivered plenty of ambiguity, myself. And stuff to think about; we're still having new threads about that today, in addition to long-running discussions.

[Viruk]

Good post. The italed confuses me a bit, though. I thought ME3 delivered plenty of ambiguity, myself. And stuff to think about; we're still having new threads about that today, in addition to long-running discussions.

 

For sure it does, but for me there's far too much ambiguity and it doesn't take long browsing the forum to see that it didn't satisfy most people.

 

My first thought after seeing the ending was "Is that it?" 

 

And thanks, I'll have a look at the other topics as well when I have a bit of time, always nice to see some other opinions.

[Viruk]

Welcome Viruk to the Animal House may your posts show wisdom and humor in equal doses and I enjoyed reading your post.

 

Thanks, trying to grow a sense of humour may be difficult but I'll try! 

[VaLkyR_Anubis]

Mass Effect 3 and hate, no I don't hate it, but I'm just bored by this game. There is no idealism, symbolism, feeling of teamwork, feeling of being part of something big, no human nature, the game just doesn't feel right. Game design is still lame and not Mass Effect typical. If I want to play a Mass Effect game, I play the first one, because this game is a good one. To be honest, after seeing the launch trailer of Mass Effect 3, I was very excited about it and then I saw the truth. If the next Mass Effect game is going to be a similar one like Mass Effect 3, count me out, I'm done with this. Despite that, I'm not interested in any further incompetence by people, who can't deliver a good game, especially by the fact they started so well.

[AlanC9]

For sure it does, but for me there's far too much ambiguity and it doesn't take long browsing the forum to see that it didn't satisfy most people.
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Gotcha. Yeah, ME3 went pretty far in that direction.

[Mcfly616]

I like the ambiguity as it stands now. The original endings though.....that was extreme.

[Tython]

Great game if you mod the ending and cut out the starchild nonsense. Doesn't hurt to use the modded Citadel DLC as an epilogue too.

 

I just hope they outline the next trilogy and don't let two egomaniacs write the ending unsupervised. 

[angol fear]

I like the ambiguity as it stands now. The original endings though.....that was extreme.

Extreme? It was how it had to be written, if you consider Bioware's intentions. Extended cut is more a player's vision on Bioware's ending.

[Iakus]

Extreme? It was how it had to be written, if you consider Bioware's intentions. Extended cut is more a player's vision on Bioware's ending.

 

 

Bioware intended to railroad death and despair into all endings?

[Mcfly616]

Extreme? It was how it had to be written, if you consider Bioware's intentions. Extended cut is more a player's vision on Bioware's ending.

considering their 'intentions'? I highly doubt that the writers intention was to:

- have your squadmates watch you charge to your death as they sit at the top of the hill just chillin.

- have you wake up wondering what the hell happened to your squadmates after you wake up.

- have each transition appear similar to a confusing and cliche dream sequence

- have the Catalyst basically say absolutely nothing

- vaporize the entire galaxy

- strand all survivors in the Sol System, dooming the dextros



...and so on and so forth. There was a clear disconnect/miscommunication between the writers and the artists doing the scenes. You can go ahead and believe their intentions were whatever you want.

[Viruk]

Bioware intended to railroad death and despair into all endings?

 

Not to mention a ton of loose ends and it being horribly unsatisfying.

[Eralrik]

http://www.ign.com/b...nding-spoilers/

 

Here's a read about the original ending's that were leaked and personally I would have rather had those ending to the magic we got for endings.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Extreme? It was how it had to be written, if you consider Bioware's intentions. Extended cut is more a player's vision on Bioware's ending.

 

What are these intentions?

 

Additionally the Extended Cut was always, and repeatedly stated, to be a clarification DLC; as in clarify what happened towards the end so people aren't as confused.

[The Bad One]

Bioware intended to railroad death and despair into all endings?

That's what you call saving the galaxy? Or did you just choose Refuse?

[Iakus]

That's what you call saving the galaxy? Or did you just choose Refuse?

 

"Saving" the galaxy using the methods the game forced upon us?  You bet!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Hate distracts from reason and is often used to invalidate an opinion of others by attaching that emotion. It's a cheap trick to use.

 

To me ME3 is a great game until I have to shoot Marauder Shields and it ends there. After that the story and some of what Shepard has accomplished crashes down. It is as if the end of the game was created by an entirely different team who have forgotten to read the script. They have woven in the kid in vague dream sequences to make the ending somewhat credible. The story of ME3 has become a numbers game, which requires metagaming to unlock some options and consequences in the ending. The EC didn't improve upon that.

[Mcfly616]

http://www.ign.com/b...nding-spoilers/

Here's a read about the original ending's that were leaked and personally I would have rather had those ending to the magic we got for endings.

those 'original endings' you're referring to, were not the original endings at all....nor were they leaked. The Dark Energy Plot was nothing more than a dropped concept. Drew himself has stated that it was just one of many options that never fully materialized. The original 'leaked' endings were pretty much exactly what we got. Like, literally. The Catalyst was referred to as the Guardian and some other dialogue switch-ups. But other than that, the leaked ending is what we got.


That being said, I think the Dark Energy ending would've been on a whole other level. Sometimes I wish I could've experienced it. Though, it also needed it's fair share of reworking.


BTW, don't reference a blog as your source. Especially a blog that uses the "Yo Dawg" crap. The ending is still over the head of anyone using that saying.

[AlanC9]

Bioware intended to railroad death and despair into all endings?

 

Death, sure. You're bringing your own despair.

[Mcfly616]

There should've been even more death....