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Yes I know, but the question is: who built the decision chamber and the controls, and if it was the crucible team why didn't shep know about it?

That's part of the Citadel actually, so its likely the Reapers made it.



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MASS EFFECT 1 and 2 had epic stories, music, characters, dialogue, etc. very memorable experience, one of if not the best stories I have ever experienced in entertainment. (including the novels)

 

MASS EFFECT 3 had epic music and cool gameplay, I absolutely hated the clearly cheap ME2 cameo appearances, always did. I believe in my own modified version of The IT to make the ending acceptable. But the overall game was lacking, I truly feel as tho Bioware was either rushed or had no idea how they wanted to end Shepard's Trilogy, it was pretty evident.

 

I have not been here in a long time, I have not touched any of the games since a few months after ME3's release. I just can't do it, ME3 really ruined it for me, it makes the overall Trilogy memorable, don't get me wrong, but very pointless to replay. I was so emotionally invested in the series, after ME3 and the whole ending debacle my emotions finally boiled over right out of the pot. I am just out of feelings for the franchise.

 

And as far as ME4 is concerned...........no Shepherd allies, friends, crew, story, no me!! Simple as that

 

Good Luck with that Bioware, going to be a tough sell.

 

Just like STAR WARS Episode 7.............lots and lots of hype, then after release lots and lots of meh.


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Just like STAR WARS Episode 7.............lots and lots of hype, then after release lots and lots of meh.

 

To be fair, Episode 7 is not out yet. I've set my expectations to a nice low, and I'll wait and see. To me, Episodes 7, 8 and 9 are Thrawn Trilogy books anyway.



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Leviathan:  The intellilgence was envisioned as simply another tool

Shepard:  And now we all pay the price for your mistake

Leviathan: There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose

 

The Leviathans frakked up royally, and their descendents are still so bloated on their overweaning pride they still can't accept that.  They're freaking delusional.

 

Look, the catalyst's mandate was to prevent the conflict between synthetics and organics, and to preserve organic life at all costs. One day while browsing the extranet it saw a jar of "Preserves" made of crushed berries. A light bulb went on in the Catalyst's mind. The first cycle happened. The Leviathans did not approve.

 

Marmalade Theory.


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MASS EFFECT 2 had epic stories

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And as far as ME4 is concerned...........no Shepherd allies, friends, crew, story, no me!! Simple as that

Good Luck with that Bioware, going to be a tough sell.

It'll sell perfectly fine. Plenty of people are clamoring for something completely different in the MEU. Especially the opportunity to play as something other than a stereotypical space marine with the acting capacity of a brick.

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And as far as ME4 is concerned...........no Shepherd allies, friends, crew, story, no me!! Simple as that

 

Good Luck with that Bioware, going to be a tough sell.

 

Just like STAR WARS Episode 7.............lots and lots of hype, then after release lots and lots of meh.

Mm how do you know none of Shepard's allies/crew members will make cameos, or that the story will have nothing to do with the ME trilogy storyline in some compelling fashion?

Dragon Age Inquisition, although its got the perks of some old allies reprising companionship and a continuous storyline, its still an all new protagonist, and loooots of new people, places, and everything, but its sure as hell going to sell like bat sh*t crazy. Cause its Dragon Age, and they made it clear they're making it real nice with lots of improvements.

As much as people want to hate Bioware for ending ME3 the way they did and blah blah blah, they're still the people who made the trilogy so lovable in the first place. Thats what talented developer teams do, they do good stuff and you like it. We don't even have a clue of what they'll do with ME4. It might be the greatest thing ever and compensate for ME3. Whatever the case it will be I think it makes sense to just be patient and open-minded =) 



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Mm how do you know none of Shepard's allies/crew members will make cameos, or that the story will have nothing to do with the ME trilogy storyline in some compelling fashion?

no mention of characters but it has been said on multiple occasions by Bioware that the next game will be completely separate from the Shepard Trilogy. Make of it what you will.

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no mention of characters but it has been said on multiple occasions by Bioware that the next game will be completely separate from the Shepard Trilogy. Make of it what you will.

 

That sounds like Bioware saying DA2 is completely separate from the Grey Warden's story and DA3 is completely separate from the Champion of Kirkwall's story. I loved DA2 (I know that makes me a minority but whatever) and I've got a feeling alot of people are going to enjoy DA3.

Basically how I see it: still same universe with incredible potential. No reason they can't still do something awesome. 



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It would make much, much more sense for the next Mass Effect game to have no connection whatsoever with the existing characters. As much as I love them it's time to move on, and the ME universe is more than rich enough to support more - it would arguably be doing it a disservice to concentrate entirely on what we've already got.



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well, aside from fact that ME3 sucks (which is an individual opinion, on contary bit widespread) people have to look on last good title out of BioWare´s workbench, and it´s bad - last good game, realy good game was ME1 and DA:O, yes i do take ME2 as the start of BioWare´s downfall...


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well, aside from fact that ME3 sucks (which is an individual opinion, on contary bit widespread) people have to look on last good title out of BioWare´s workbench, and it´s bad - last good game, realy good game was ME1 and DA:O, yes i do take ME2 as the start of BioWare´s downfall...

 

Agreed.



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well, aside from fact that ME3 sucks (which is an individual opinion, on contary bit widespread) people have to look on last good title out of BioWare´s workbench, and it´s bad - last good game, realy good game was ME1 and DA:O, yes i do take ME2 as the start of BioWare´s downfall...

 

ME2 caused a lot of problems that's for sure. 



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To be fair, Episode 7 is not out yet. I've set my expectations to a nice low, and I'll wait and see. To me, Episodes 7, 8 and 9 are Thrawn Trilogy books anyway.

 

After Episode 1,2,3 I share the low expectations. Abrams was smart enough to release that cast photo showing Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels together with the "next generation" cast.

So at the very least there's a "batton passing".. after all there was in the Star Trek reboot. But by the same token be careful as it's been made clear that the production company are striking out elements from the canon that don't fit their plans - including everything from the existing games, let alone novels... (that said, I think the worlds probably better off without "Star-Wars Angry Birds" or "Kinect Star Wars").

 

Basically Disney have said that anything in the "Expanded Universe" after ROTJ didn't happen as far as the new films are concerned.
 

Getting back to "ME4", if there isn't at least some kind of batton passing then it'd be difficult to endorse claims to the mass effect name on it's own merits. Could you set a TV series in 2012 (sequel)... or maybe 1973 (prequel) about a Fire Dept in Miami and call it "Miami Vice"? Especially without anyone called Crockett, Tubbs or Castillo?    That'd be like trying to reboot Batllestar Galactica without Starbuck, Apollo, Boomer, Adama, Baltar. Without some continuity then it's just a story set in a similar location at a differnet time with different people. Like saying Hamlet is a sequel to A Midsummer Night's dream because they were both written by Shakespeare.



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The answer to the main topic is of course Yes. I hate ending and I'm not going to stop hating unless Mass Effect 4 will clarify all plot holes or even better it will be Sequel with Shepard as main hero (IMO ME without Shepard is like TR without Lara Croft). Mass Effect 3 had a chance to become the best game that BioWare has created. Unfortunately it will be remembered as a game with very disappointing ending. Mass Effect 3 have a opportunity to win award for the worst ending ever. It is not ending of one game with 3 in the title, It is a ending to the whole trilogy. This is what I think about that
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Getting back to "ME4", if there isn't at least some kind of batton passing then it'd be difficult to endorse claims to the mass effect name on it's own merits. Could you set a TV series in 2012 (sequel)... or maybe 1973 (prequel) about a Fire Dept in Miami and call it "Miami Vice"? Especially without anyone called Crockett, Tubbs or Castillo?    That'd be like trying to reboot Batllestar Galactica without Starbuck, Apollo, Boomer, Adama, Baltar. Without some continuity then it's just a story set in a similar location at a differnet time with different people. Like saying Hamlet is a sequel to A Midsummer Night's dream because they were both written by Shakespeare.

 

I actually hope there is no baton passing.  I don't want to followup on those drek endings.  I'm completely uninterested in playing in the Red, Green, or Blue galaxies.  I'd rather visit a galaxy where I can pretend ME3 never happened.



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I actually hope there is no baton passing.  I don't want to followup on those drek endings.  I'm completely uninterested in playing in the Red, Green, or Blue galaxies.  I'd rather visit a galaxy where I can pretend ME3 never happened.

 

The whole trilogy was treated as a tale in that horrible epilogue slide with the old man and the kid. I just hope grandpa there took some artistic license with the story.



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I never hated Mass Effect 3 the game.  Just the ending to Mass Effect 3.  The EC mitigated some of that hate, but I still find the ending for the most part to be quite lame and in no way does justice to the Mass Effect series as a whole.



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The whole trilogy was treated as a tale in that horrible epilogue slide with the old man and the kid.

or, you know, it's thousands of years into the future and Shepard has literally become a legend. Like many have throughout our history...

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I never hated Mass Effect 3 the game.  Just the ending to Mass Effect 3.  The EC mitigated some of that hate, but I still find the ending for the most part to be quite lame and in no way does justice to the Mass Effect series as a whole.

 

Likewise. A lot of people tend to focus on the whole "Shepard death" aspect, as being the ultra sin committed by ME3, but even that I feel is inaccurate. I wasn't depressed by Shepard's death, I was indifferent, which for a writer I suspect is even worse. I was too busy trying to wrap my head around some of the more idiotic ideas presented by the ending to feel any sadness. Likewise with the "war crime" implications of some of the endings.



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The whole concept of "war crimes" in the endings of ME3 never really occurred to me, because the outlandish circumstances don't really permit much room for judgment on whether or not something can be seen as a violation of accepted rules of war, at least not from the perspective of the people in-universe. Heck, in the one ending where Shepard can actually live to tell the tale, no one's going to try anyone in Space Hague over the loss of robots.


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Likewise. A lot of people tend to focus on the whole "Shepard death" aspect, as being the ultra sin committed by ME3, but even that I feel is inaccurate. I wasn't depressed by Shepard's death, I was indifferent, which for a writer I suspect is even worse. I was too busy trying to wrap my head around some of the more idiotic ideas presented by the ending to feel any sadness. Likewise with the "war crime" implications of some of the endings.


Yeah genocide is considered a war crime, then the whole useless control aspect of being big brother for the galaxy. Then the racist we must be the same for us too get along....

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Still utterly hate the trainwreck ending that ME3 is. Guess i'm hoping that they'll stick the accelerator down and any sequel will be so far in future i won't be able to see that mess in the rearview window.



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or, you know, it's thousands of years into the future and Shepard has literally become a legend. Like many have throughout our history...

 

That's what I meant. Shepard did exist in the ME universe, but time shapes history. People tend to embroider stories.



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No one can't deny that there are dramatic structural issues with ME3, but it actually had a plot to follow, unlike ME2. Looking at the middle of ME3, it wasn't a train wreck, so there's some value there.