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[ames4u]

Thats what they all say and I always prove them wrong.

[Welsh Inferno]

Ecrulis wrote...

Ah good ole BSN, it's always fun to pop in and see who the sociopaths deem worthy of slaughter this time.

My thoughts exactly. 

[budzai]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Capt. dusty wrote...

She is a manipulative beech indeed.

She probably WANTS you to kill her so that she becomes a god or something.

so now she is crazy too... good, one more reason to kill her.

[budzai]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Ummm.....ok. I guess powerful, mysterious women who aren't afraid to call as they see it isn't your cup 'o tea? But hey that's cool, it takes all kinds.

LOL, no. She is manipulative, selfish, idiot and power-hungry...
 more than enough reason to kill her.

[Cyberbobmkii]

 I enjoyed Morrigan as a character, but but found her morally repulsive (yes, I did romance, still think she's a terible human being).  As for killing her in DAI, so long as there is a good narritive reson for the Inquisitor to want her dead, I think it should be an option.

[KC_Prototype]

Morrugan and Leliana are the best LIs in DA. Killing either one of them is a no no. Morrigan is too good of a character to die. Kill Flemeth instead.

[BubbleDncr]

I never had a desire to kill her. Only time I killed her was when Witch Hunt did read my save data properly and I killed her out of anger.

My Warden, however, did want to kill the OGB - which if the opportunity ever came up, probably would have also meant she'd have to kill Morrigan.Which she would do - but regrettably.

The only reason I would want to kill Morrigan in DA:I is if she has done something that makes my Inquisitor want to kill her.

[Han Shot First]

If the rumors are true about Morrigan being DA:I's big bad (similar to Loghain), she is going to meet the murder knife in my canon playthrough.

And I'd go that route even though my Warden romanced her and is the father of her child.

The Inquisitor and the Warden are totally different characters, so I won't let my canon DA:O playthrough affect the Inquisitor's decision-making. And my Inquisitor is going to be loosely based on Stannis Baratheon.

[Grieving Natashina]

What rumor about Morrigan being the Big Bad in Inquisition? First I've heard of it. All I've heard is that she's going to play a big role in Inquisition and that we'll "see a more human side to her. She's not just a plot device."

[Mercedes-Benz]

I like Morrigan, so I won't kill her.

[Spectre slayer]

vlyms1 wrote...
I found the link of the article, it's on destructoid:http://www.destructoid.com/morrigan-s-fate-will-be-decided-in-dragon-age-inquisition-259956.phtmland as a side note, the article stated that it's Morrigan's moment, which also implies the possibility to kill her! She is on my list of most hated fictional characters EVER, alongside Joffrey Baratheon!

The article title is misleading as nothing in the article implies that the player will decide Morrigan's fate. That "Morrigan's moment" statement doesn't imply anything other than the fact that she will have a spotlight.
And what did Morrigan ever do that justifies a comparison to Joffrey?

They have indicated previously in some other places that they want to tie up some loose ends and answer some questions about Morrigan and yes her fate aswell, which may or may not involve killing her or some other thing's.


This one of the places where they say her fate will be decided in DAI, and they have talked about it a few times including this thread as this topic frequently comes up.

http://social.biowar...ndex/17470030/1

Gaider posted a few times there, indicated they may let players kill her but only if the story allows it and it make sense and not killing her only because some people want her dead.

I guess we'll find out in DAI.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 12 février 2014 - 09:37 .

[Grieving Natashina]

I never understood the extreme hatred that some have for Morrigan. I can understand it with some other companions, but not her. I loved the friendship arc with her and I look forward to seeing her again.

[BlueMagitek]

Starsyn wrote...

I never understood the extreme hatred that some have for Morrigan. I can understand it with some other companions, but not her. I loved the friendship arc with her and I look forward to seeing her again.

Aside from being terrible to more or less every other character in your party and advocating every bad decision in the game (not pragmatic decisions, bad ones), she also asks you to kill the person who saved your life, withholds valuable information about the archdemon and tries to manipulate you into giving her a god's soul.

I cannot see why anyone would dislike this character.

[Spectre slayer]

Starsyn wrote...

I never understood the extreme hatred that some have for Morrigan. I can understand it with some other companions, but not her. I loved the friendship arc with her and I look forward to seeing her again.

I really don't either, i'm not planning to kill her unless I have no choice depending on what may happen in DAI, and it seems some people think she's the antagonist which I really doubt since this person's identity is unknown and will be for a large chunk of DAI 

[Grieving Natashina]

BlueMagitek wrote...


Aside from being terrible to more or less every other character in your party and advocating every bad decision in the game (not pragmatic decisions, bad ones), she also asks you to kill the person who saved your life,

Huh?  Who does she ask you to kill that saved your life?  I can't think of anyone...  

And just because she's pragmatic does not make her evil.  Considering where she was raised and who she was raised by, I think she's not as caustic as she appears.  Doing the friendship as a female Warden taught me that.

withholds valuable information about the archdemon

Probably out of a fear that the PC Warden would run and refuse to kill them.  By having the PC aware at the last minute, it's too late to back out.

and tries to manipulate you into giving her a god's soul.

Um, considering that the baby is going to have the Old God soul, it's not exactly hers.  She wanted to save the Old God soul.  Purify what was left and move towards the future.  I'm not sure why she's the villain for doing this.  So the Old Gods aren't worthy of redemption?

I cannot see why anyone would dislike this character.

She saves your life, does everything she can to help you with the Archdemon (even if she's misguided), is one of the only characters you can't drive away.  She's thinking about the greater good and wants to make the world better.  Morrigan is much like her mother, only I think she's truly trying to make the world a better place for everyone.  Unlike Flemeth, who seems to have the intents of Thedas the land, not so much caring about the people.  Morrigan caustic and pragmatic, but I still can't see why people hate her so much.  

To each their own.  I've never had a companion I truly hated that much in DA.  I did despise Bishop in NWN2 with a passion and I've heard arguments in his favor.  It hasn't changed my mind.  

Agree to disagree then.   It does say a lot about the skills of the writing team that a character can invoke such extreme reactions.  Love or hate her, she's pretty damned well written to make folks feel that strongly about her.

Modifié par Starsyn, 12 février 2014 - 09:54 .

[budzai]

Starsyn wrote...


She saves your life, does everything she can to help you with the Archdemon (even if she's misguided), is one of the only characters you can't drive away.  She's thinking about the greater good and wants to make the world better.  Morrigan is much like her mother, only I think she's truly trying to make the world a better place for everyone.  Unlike Flemeth, who seems to have the intents of Thedas the land, not so much caring about the people.  Morrigan caustic and pragmatic, but I still can't see why people hate her so much.  

To each their own.  I've never had a companion I truly hated that much in DA.  I did despise Bishop in NWN2 with a passion and I've heard arguments in his favor.  It hasn't changed my mind.  

Agree to disagree then.   It does say a lot about the skills of the writing team that a character can invoke such extreme reactions.  Love or hate her, she's pretty damned well written to make folks feel that strongly about her.

do you really belive that ****?

[Han Shot First]

Starsyn wrote...

What rumor about Morrigan being the Big Bad in Inquisition? First I've heard of it. All I've heard is that she's going to play a big role in Inquisition and that we'll "see a more human side to her. She's not just a plot device."

Fan rumors.

If a dev had said it, it wouldn't be a rumor.

[Grieving Natashina]

Han Shot First wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

What rumor about Morrigan being the Big Bad in Inquisition? First I've heard of it. All I've heard is that she's going to play a big role in Inquisition and that we'll "see a more human side to her. She's not just a plot device."

Fan rumors.

If a dev had said it, it wouldn't be a rumor.

A writer did say it:

http://www.vg247.com...t-says-bioware/

Writer David Gaider added, “It’s not a cameo. She plays a significant role.”

He added, “[Morrigan] has a human role in this plot, which I think may surprise some people because they might only think of her as a plot device. She has this big plot she’s involved in, and while that’s true to an extent, I’m taking her to a human place. That will make sense after the fact.”

It's not just a "fan rumor."  That came from David Gaider himself.  Mike Laidlaw talks about it too in that article, but I figured I'd let you read the rest for yourself.

@bud: Yes, I do believe it.  Just as you have your thoughts and feeling about her as well.  We see the character differently.  Neither of us are right or wrong in our opinions, we just have different takes on her personality and her motivations.

Modifié par Starsyn, 12 février 2014 - 10:10 .

[SgtSteel91]

I think the poster meant to say that "Morrigan being the Big Bad" was a fan rumor.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 12 février 2014 - 10:11 .

[BlueMagitek]

Starsyn wrote...

Huh?  Who does she ask you to kill that saved your life?  I can't think of anyone...  

And just because she's pragmatic does not make her evil.  Considering where she was raised and who she was raised by, I think she's not as caustic as she appears.  Doing the friendship as a female Warden taught me that.

Probably out of a fear that the PC Warden would run and refuse to kill them.  By having the PC aware at the last minute, it's too late to back out.

Um, considering that the baby is going to have the Old God soul, it's not exactly hers.  She wanted to save the Old God soul.  Purify what was left and move towards the future.  I'm not sure why she's the villain for doing this.  So the Old Gods aren't worthy of redemption?

She saves your life, does everything she can to help you with the Archdemon (even if she's misguided), is one of the only characters you can't drive away.  She's thinking about the greater good and wants to make the world better.  Morrigan is much like her mother, only I think she's truly trying to make the world a better place for everyone.  Unlike Flemeth, who seems to have the intents of Thedas the land, not so much caring about the people.  Morrigan caustic and pragmatic, but I still can't see why people hate her so much.  

To each their own.  I've never had a companion I truly hated that much in DA.  I did despise Bishop in NWN2 with a passion and I've heard arguments in his favor.  It hasn't changed my mind.  

Agree to disagree then.   It does say a lot about the skills of the writing team that a character can invoke such extreme reactions.  Love or hate her, she's pretty damned well written to make folks feel that strongly about her.

She asks you to kill Flemeth, the character who saved yourself and Alistair.

The issue is, she isn't pragmatic.  She might pretend to be, but most of the time she's wrong for the evils.  Let me use Redcliffe as an example.  You are required to get into the keep.  She advises that protecting the town is a needless danger and to just let the people die.  Problem is, as everyone is informed, the enemy is undead.  As a witch, she should well know that means some demonic presence is near.  She should also know that more bodies to inhabit = more enemies in the keep later.  So the idea "let them all die" only reinforces the enemies that you have to fight later on, making it more dangerous for the Warden's company.

So either evil or incompetent, your choice.

Or she withholds it so the PC isn't able to come to terms with the idea of oblivion.  If Alistair was a senior Grey Warden would she have killed him so that he wouldn't be able to tell the PC?  Wouldn't want him running away, after all.

You claimed earlier that her upbringing caused her to view the world the way she does.  She is now bringing up a deity.  She has power over it.  And it is still at risk for the taint, so then you could have a magical archdemon running about.

Flemeth is the one who saves your life, she can be driven away (telling her to get out or telling her that Flemeth is still alive) and comes back at the end in hopes of getting what she wants.  She doesn't understand civilization, so any supposed "greater good" will be a failure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Starsyn wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...


Aside from being terrible to more or less every other character in your party and advocating every bad decision in the game (not pragmatic decisions, bad ones), she also asks you to kill the person who saved your life,

Huh?  Who does she ask you to kill that saved your life?  I can't think of anyone...  

They mean Flemeth, who saved you from being killed in the Tower of Ishal.

[Rotward]

This is the one you're worried about, not her mother, who has come back from the dead once already?

[SgtSteel91]

Rotward wrote...

This is the one you're worried about, not her mother, who has come back from the dead once already?

Yeah, I'd much rather end Flemeth for good. No I don't care if she saved my Warden's life, she's a threat to the ones he loves and he doesn't let threats contine to be threats.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ah, gotcha. It never bothered me I suppose. As a Warden, I don't trust Flemeth any further than I can throw her. I thought Morrigan was far more important to my character than Flemeth. Creators know what Flemeth was going to do with Morrigan's body. I wasn't going to let her. Good for Flemeth for saving my life, but after the tales my Warden heard about her, that wasn't enough. I also had a feeling that Flemeth wasn't truly dead, just an avatar of hers. I killed that part of Flemeth, which kept my friend safe.

Friendship > Flemeth, any day.

@Blue:I saw her as pragmatic to a fault, and going by the lessons that Flemeth taught her. Flemeth taught her just enough to use Morrigan for some nasty ends later. Morrigan has had a decade in (what appears to be) Orlais to refine her social skills. Heck, even by the time Witch Hunt comes around, she's already changed a lot. She's more gentle and thinks about herself less.

I see her as neither evil nor incomptent.  I see her as inexperienced in the world, not used to affection, friendship or compromise.  That lack of empathy can fall squarely on how she was raised.

Also, if the baby exists, it isn't an Archdemon. They are not one and the same, and I never saw Morrigan as "controlling" a powerful soul as raising a child. Being a mother and trying to help the world.

I will not agree to your interpretation of Morrigan, no matter how you word it. I have my thoughts and feelings about her. You have yours. And that's fine! She's meant to invoke some controversy and has done so. Whether it be to kill her or to see a friend again, it seems many are excited and curious about her role in the upcoming game.

Modifié par Starsyn, 12 février 2014 - 10:24 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Strangulation is still my preferred method here ^.^