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[Lotion Soronarr]

Starsyn wrote...

I see it as a potential for good. A chance to end the Blights once and for all. A powerful Old God, with the blood of dragons, kings, mages and Wardens, aligned towards good intent. Dedicated towards destroying all Darkspawn, with an army at his back. That's just as likely to happen as the more apocalyptic scenario.

Yeah...no.

Aren't you forgetting who the mother is.
Morrigan, the maniplator. A woman who doesnt' give two fraks abotu anyone but herself, a woman that would glady sacrifice slaves. A woman that approves pretty much every single evil act you can do in the game.

And you think SHE will raise a champion of godness?

That is of course, IF the spell actually does what she said in the first place, IF it was sucesfull and IF the resulting baby is even someone/something she has control/influence over and IF it is immune to beign tainted.

I can't understand how anyone fails to see the good that can come of the DR. Too many posters are only seeing the potential negative consequences.

Because that "good" is highly unlikely and rests upon a dozen IF's. Not one, not two.
But literlaly a dozen thing all must fall in place for that to happen.

Meanwhile, for the bad thing to happen only one IF has to happen.


So it's easy to see why those who are neutral towards Morrigan se the "OGB = best thing ever" group as poeple living in fantasy land.

[Ryzaki]

Edit: Yep you covered that. 

Morrigan flat out says there's no room for coddling and weakness (what she calls love). I don't want a infant (a NORMAL infant let alone one with goddamn superpowers) raised by someone who actually believes that .

DAU has enough crazies. Don't need more.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2014 - 09:27 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

I see it as a potential for good. A chance to end the Blights once and for all. A powerful Old God, with the blood of dragons, kings, mages and Wardens, aligned towards good intent. Dedicated towards destroying all Darkspawn, with an army at his back. That's just as likely to happen as the more apocalyptic scenario.

Yeah...no.

Aren't you forgetting who the mother is.
Morrigan, the maniplator. A woman who doesnt' give two fraks abotu anyone but herself, a woman that would glady sacrifice slaves. A woman that approves pretty much every single evil act you can do in the game.

And you think SHE will raise a champion of godness?

That is of course, IF the spell actually does what she said in the first place, IF it was sucesfull and IF the resulting baby is even someone/something she has control/influence over and IF it is immune to beign tainted.

I can't understand how anyone fails to see the good that can come of the DR. Too many posters are only seeing the potential negative consequences.

Because that "good" is highly unlikely and rests upon a dozen IF's. Not one, not two.
But literlaly a dozen thing all must fall in place for that to happen.

Meanwhile, for the bad thing to happen only one IF has to happen.


So it's easy to see why those who are neutral towards Morrigan se the "OGB = best thing ever" group as poeple living in fantasy land.

I don't imagine the OGB being the best thing ever... I just wanted to see what it did, period.

Thedas has ended five Blights now. Each one exponentially less destructive, shorter and more thorough than the last. It seems like they are getting the hang of it now. My fear of another Blight breaking out is minimal.

I keep The Architect alive the same reason I perform the OGB and preserve Avernus' research - I wanted to see what would come of it.

Of course, I now highly suspect nothing of note will come of any of the chocies made. Destroying the genophage research in ME2, which the game said would put the effort to cure the genophage back years, wound up being lampshaded with a cure materializing regardless six months later. And the choice resulted in Eve, one of the few Krogan leaders with a sensible concept of how to best broker power and maintain peace between the various factions, dying. I mean... if the choice in ME2 was phrased as "the cure will happen no matter what, destroying this data will just cause some of the best Krogan to die," then that would have been a much different choice.

Point being - the choice of Morrigan and the OGB won't be about what you think it is about. It will be about something completely ancillary or unexpected, something that is much smaller in scope and impact than what people are believing.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 février 2014 - 10:49 .

[brazen_nl]

One of my favorite characters in the game. Not going to kill her off ...

[DragonAgeLegend]

Br3ad wrote...

It's amazing how the BSN has some sick desire for killing everything that disagrees with their morals, no?

Haha!! Too true indeed. No wonder Gaider hates it here.. Who can blame him?

[Ieldra]

wesam987 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
It's amazing how the BSN has some sick desire for killing everything that disagrees with their morals, no?

Haha!! Too true indeed. No wonder Gaider hates it here.. Who can blame him?

Indeed, a sad commentary on the ideological closed-mindedness of some people, even if it's a vocal minority. For myself, there are times when I hate what a character represents on the thematic level, but that rarely makes me want to kill the character. Though in extreme cases and if I find it inappropriate as well as thematically offensive, it makes me want to slap the writer. Not that I would ever do that in reality...

On the other hand, I think not every statement of "I want to kill X" should be taken seriously. I recall saying "Gods, I want to kill X" about one character or the other, usually because I viewed them as a writer's pet or I wanted to tweak the noses of their fans. Most likely, should I get the opportunity I wouldn't do it.

Edit:
I wonder if these are the same people who want a religious nutcase like Kolgrim as a companion (referring to another thread that just appeared). Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 février 2014 - 02:32 .

[Jigglypuff]

I can't stand that hussy so i hope so.

[jtav]

The character killing for me is more "Exit the story now" than actually wanting to kill them because I dislike them as people. For example, I have games where I kill Alistair because I really hate the whole superspecial Therin blood thing and so Alistair gets the ax so I don't have to deal with it. Though I do think Morrigan is a horrible person and hope her plans come to nothing. Any killing will depend on the situation.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: Yep you covered that. 

Morrigan flat out says there's no room for coddling and weakness (what she calls love). I don't want a infant (a NORMAL infant let alone one with goddamn superpowers) raised by someone who actually believes that .

DAU has enough crazies. Don't need more.

Fortunately, Clark Kent meteorite boy is being raised by the one stable, loving couple in all of Thedas.  

[AresKeith]

I laugh when people get obsessed with killing characters

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: Yep you covered that. 

Morrigan flat out says there's no room for coddling and weakness (what she calls love). I don't want a infant (a NORMAL infant let alone one with goddamn superpowers) raised by someone who actually believes that .

DAU has enough crazies. Don't need more.

Mah boy will rule Thedas with arcane might. This is only the first step towards that. 

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: Yep you covered that. 

Morrigan flat out says there's no room for coddling and weakness (what she calls love). I don't want a infant (a NORMAL infant let alone one with goddamn superpowers) raised by someone who actually believes that .

DAU has enough crazies. Don't need more.

Well you could deny her the baby

[Redbelle]

Br3ad wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: Yep you covered that. 

Morrigan flat out says there's no room for coddling and weakness (what she calls love). I don't want a infant (a NORMAL infant let alone one with goddamn superpowers) raised by someone who actually believes that .

DAU has enough crazies. Don't need more.

Mah boy will rule Thedas with arcane might. This is only the first step towards that. 

I mean, c'mon. If the god child was not raised by a wacky witch of the wyld who wocates wabbits with her witchy powers...... it just wouldn't be as fun.

Unless DA3 was developed so that the Protag sat down as child suppport services asking where he thought he had been for the past XX number of years.

[TheChris92]

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

[TK514]

The less I have to deal with Miss "Do what I tell you or I will abandon the people I've travelled with for a year and leave a city worth of people, or more, to be overrun by Darkspawn", the better.

And hmm, let me think. Take the soul of a corrupt and evil entity, who was part of a group that convinced an Empire to rely heavily on Blood Magic and slavery, culminating in the ritual slaughter of thousands, out of one tainted body and put it in a new tainted body, then give this abomination to the most misanthropic character in the series to raise, by herself, with no mitigating influences. This couldn't possibly go wrong.

Yeah, no. My Orlesian Warden tried to execute her at the Eluvian because she was a traitor to Thedas, and justice demanded it. I don't imagine my Inquisitor will have a differing opinion if there's any reasonable way he'd know who she was. In neither case is it personal.

I don't really have anything against the character, from a player perspective. I thought she was a well written dangerous misanthrope, and I thought Claudia Black did a good job voicing her selfishness and utter disdain for anything not Morrigan.

[Redbelle]

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

Couldn't disagree more.

As long as the writers remember who these characters and fit them into the story well, having new characters for the sake of new characters...... is... well..... just redundant.

We already have characters who have history. A histroy that in some cases could cause an earth shattering catalcysm to occur. Pushing them out of the game just to add, Jimminy 'No Nose' Mcgree who is a thief character with a troubled past, whose inclusion removes development time from finishing the tale of an established character is.......

Not tying up your loose ends!

Morrigan's story was never finished. She'll be around till it's resolved. Probably get into a battle of shapeshifting with her dear 'Mother'......

Look at it this way. If they make DA4 I doubt Morrigan wil be in it as a party NPC.

(Though should probably wait till the game comes out before making those kind of statements).

I just hope BW invent a way of converting save files from different hardware into save files for other hardware one day. I doubt I'll be getting DA3 for my old gen console now the PS4's out.

[AresKeith]

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

I'm all for new characters, but there's nothing wrong with returning characters

[Br3admax]

Redbelle wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

Couldn't disagree more.

As long as the writers remember who these characters and fit them into the story well, having new characters for the sake of new characters...... is... well..... just redundant.

We already have characters who have history. A histroy that in some cases could cause an earth shattering catalcysm to occur. Pushing them out of the game just to add, Jimminy 'No Nose' Mcgree who is a thief character with a troubled past, whose inclusion removes development time from finishing the tale of an established character is.......

Not tying up your loose ends!

Morrigan's story was never finished. She'll be around till it's resolved. Probably get into a battle of shapeshifting with her dear 'Mother'......

Look at it this way. If they make DA4 I doubt Morrigan wil be in it as a party NPC.

(Though should probably wait till the game comes out before making those kind of statements).

I just hope BW invent a way of converting save files from different hardware into save files for other hardware one day. I doubt I'll be getting DA3 for my old gen console now the PS4's out.

What do you think the Keep is for?

[TheChris92]

Redbelle wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

Couldn't disagree more.

As long as the writers remember who these characters and fit them into the story well, having new characters for the sake of new characters...... is... well..... just redundant.

Having old characters for the sake of having old characters return is... redundant, not the other way around -- Let's take into account of the fact that the Dragon Age games are not about Leliana and her love for nugs or Morrigan or even Alistair -- It's about the world. So when BioWare makes a statement like this then I expect to explore new cities, new places, with completely new characters. When I go to New York I do expect to find my good ol' grand uncle fumbling around in Manhattan. I expect to meet new people if possible. There's a difference between having some small NPC from previous games show up in a larger role or something, and just having the same old companions come back again and again to say their trademark one-liners then leave. Let us please avoid that and not have them as companions either.

Modifié par TheChris92, 13 février 2014 - 03:53 .

[Redbelle]

TheChris92 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

Couldn't disagree more.

As long as the writers remember who these characters and fit them into the story well, having new characters for the sake of new characters...... is... well..... just redundant.

Having old characters for the sake of having old characters return is... redundant, not the other way around -- Let's take into account of the fact that the Dragon Age games are not about Leliana and her love for nugs or Morrigan or even Alistair -- It's about the world. So when BioWare makes a statement like this then I expect to explore new cities, new places, with completely new characters. When I go to New York I do expect to find my good ol' grand uncle fumbling around in Manhattan. I expect to meet new people if possible. There's a difference between having some small NPC from previous games show up in a larger role or something, and just having the same old companions come back again and again to say their trademark one-liners then leave. Let us please avoid that and not have them as companions either.

But....but..... Leilianna did return in DA2 (a cameo of under a minute perhaps but it counts). And her involvment with the seeker implies she might return for DA3.

Plus the potential for King Alistair!

It's the DA universe bringing together elements from the old to continue the story of the land.

See, DA is unike ME where it was about one person. It's about the land the people are in and the issues that boil beneath the surface. And these issues are reflected in certain characters. Bringing them back allows the writers to bypass certain exposition by having these characters show up and give us briefer reminders of why they don't like the chantry, or the templers etc. Why invesnt new narrative carrying characters when you invested so much time and effort in old ones?

Okay, they have to have some new characters to replace the old ones that died. But look on th ebright side..... Maybe you'll be able to kill off the old ones this time around. Given the title of the thread I'd think the inclusion of the older character's is wish fufilment.

Modifié par Redbelle, 13 février 2014 - 04:00 .

[TheChris92]

Redbelle wrote...


But....but..... Leilianna did return in DA2 (a cameo of under a minute perhaps but it counts). And her involvment with the seeker implies she might return for DA3.

And do you think I approved of that? I didn't. In fact I don't want her to return again either.

Morrigan's story was never finished. She'll be around till it's resolved. Probably get into a battle of shapeshifting with her dear 'Mother'......

What story? The Old God Baby thing was an optional course that people who didn't romance her don't really care all that much about -- And even if some peopel did then Dragon Age isn't really about Morrigan. Anything else can be left for spin-off comics or novels which I imagine is how they do it

Modifié par TheChris92, 13 février 2014 - 03:58 .

[budzai]

Ieldra2 wrote...

wesam987 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
It's amazing how the BSN has some sick desire for killing everything that disagrees with their morals, no?

Haha!! Too true indeed. No wonder Gaider hates it here.. Who can blame him?

Indeed, a sad commentary on the ideological closed-mindedness of some people, even if it's a vocal minority. For myself, there are times when I hate what a character represents on the thematic level, but that rarely makes me want to kill the character. Though in extreme cases and if I find it inappropriate as well as thematically offensive, it makes me want to slap the writer. Not that I would ever do that in reality...

On the other hand, I think not every statement of "I want to kill X" should be taken seriously. I recall saying "Gods, I want to kill X" about one character or the other, usually because I viewed them as a writer's pet or I wanted to tweak the noses of their fans. Most likely, should I get the opportunity I wouldn't do it.

Edit:
I wonder if these are the same people who want a religious nutcase like Kolgrim as a companion (referring to another thread that just appeared). Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

So you (and many others) dissing real people because they don't like a a pixel fictional character who you like... shame on you... not on us but on you...

[Redbelle]

Br3ad wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Read the title in Don LaFontaine's voice. As for Morrigan -- I just want her to go away already instead of having her being wiped in my nose all the time saying "Remember me, I'm that one companion from the first game". There's good nostalgia and then there's the forced nostalgia of never moving forward and always thinking about the stuff that came before. Move on from these characters already and let's have some new ones.

Couldn't disagree more.

As long as the writers remember who these characters and fit them into the story well, having new characters for the sake of new characters...... is... well..... just redundant.

We already have characters who have history. A histroy that in some cases could cause an earth shattering catalcysm to occur. Pushing them out of the game just to add, Jimminy 'No Nose' Mcgree who is a thief character with a troubled past, whose inclusion removes development time from finishing the tale of an established character is.......

Not tying up your loose ends!

Morrigan's story was never finished. She'll be around till it's resolved. Probably get into a battle of shapeshifting with her dear 'Mother'......

Look at it this way. If they make DA4 I doubt Morrigan wil be in it as a party NPC.

(Though should probably wait till the game comes out before making those kind of statements).

I just hope BW invent a way of converting save files from different hardware into save files for other hardware one day. I doubt I'll be getting DA3 for my old gen console now the PS4's out.

What do you think the Keep is for?

I missed the Keep. Just googled it. Thanks for pointing it out

[Veruin]

budzai wrote...

So you (and many others) dissing real people because they don't like a a pixel fictional character who you like... shame on you... not on us but on you...

It's not because they don't like the character.  It's because they want to kill the character just because they don't like them.  Most of the characters people want to kill don't really have any reason to do it besides "She's a ****.  I don't like them."

[Kel Riever]

The new rendering for Morrigan is pretty awful and makes her look worse than DAO. So right there, you could say they killed Morrigan already...