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themikefest wrote...

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Liara could've made Shepard's return easier by informing the crew of what she did. It would have made things easier although I understand why she didn't.

I don't understand why she didn't tell anyone especially to Shepard's mother(for those that play a spacer). What gives her the right not to tell anyone?


Screw the spacer background. Shepard needs a history of hardship from the colonist/earthborn background. lol But I never played spacer and never will so I didn't give it much thought.

It's a very difficult thing to confess. Liara felt horrible doing it. I'm not saying she was right to not tell anyone but I understand it. She probably thought it was unlikely they'd ever be able to bring Shepard back anyway so why give the crew false hope and/or possible hostility towards Liara? That's my reasoning.



Really. Ignoring one backgroung makes it ok?  If she was a true friend she would've told someone.. I know my mother, with the shotgun I bought her, would just outright kill her. It wouldn't matter the excuse.


"That was a joke." - EDI

I said "lol." But seriously, Shepard's crew is closer to Shepard than his/her mother. She has barely any involvement in Shepard's life at all. It's close to a Liara/Benezia relationship. I'd feel worse not telling someone like Tali or Garrus. I'm not saying I agree with it but try to see it from her position. Are you going to call up Shepard's mom and say "Hi, Shepard's mom. Just so you know, I gave your son/daughter's body to Cerberus. You ever hear of them? Well, they said they could bring Shepard back so keep your eyes open."

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"That was a joke." - EDI

I said "lol." But seriously, Shepard's crew is closer to Shepard than his/her mother. She has barely any involvement in Shepard's life at all. It's close to a Liara/Benezia relationship. I'd feel worse not telling someone like Tali or Garrus. I'm not saying I agree with it but try to see it from her position. Are you going to call up Shepard's mom and say "Hi, Shepard's mom. Just so you know, I gave your son/daughter's body to Cerberus. You ever hear of them? Well, they said they could bring Shepard back so keep your eyes open."

Why couldn't she tell Kaidan/Ashley if she/he was a LI? Or tell Anderson?

How is the crew closer to Shepard than his/her mother? They only knew each for a brief time whereas mom and son/daughter had 29 years.

If the crew, along with Hackett and Anderson, are so close why for 2 years they make no effort to find a way to stop the reapers? Why for 2 years they make no effort to find out who or what destroyed the SR1? Why for 2 years didn't they go to the planet where the SR1 rests and try to salvage anything? Or even get the 20 sets of dogtags so the families can have closure?

They claim to "trust" and "believe", but when Shepard is gone they turn their backs like nothing ever happened.

I wouldn't call up her/his mother. I would with a heavy heart see her in person and tell her what happened.

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I think Shepard is on fairly good terms with his mother. They probably don't talk much because they are both very busy people.

Also, is it stated anywhere what Shepard's mom does during the course of ME3? She is a Captain(?), surely she's off fighting Reapers or Cerberus somewhere and she is still alive as of the Citadel DLC.

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themikefest wrote...

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"That was a joke." - EDI

I said "lol." But seriously, Shepard's crew is closer to Shepard than his/her mother. She has barely any involvement in Shepard's life at all. It's close to a Liara/Benezia relationship. I'd feel worse not telling someone like Tali or Garrus. I'm not saying I agree with it but try to see it from her position. Are you going to call up Shepard's mom and say "Hi, Shepard's mom. Just so you know, I gave your son/daughter's body to Cerberus. You ever hear of them? Well, they said they could bring Shepard back so keep your eyes open."

Why couldn't she tell Kaidan/Ashley if she/he was a LI? Or tell Anderson?

How is the crew closer to Shepard than his/her mother? They only knew each for a brief time whereas mom and son/daughter had 29 years.

If the crew, along with Hackett and Anderson, are so close why for 2 years they make no effort to find a way to stop the reapers? Why for 2 years they make no effort to find out who or what destroyed the SR1? Why for 2 years didn't they go to the planet where the SR1 rests and try to salvage anything? Or even get the 20 sets of dogtags so the families can have closure?

They claim to "trust" and "believe", but when Shepard is gone they turn their backs like nothing ever happened.

I wouldn't call up her/his mother. I would with a heavy heart see her in person and tell her what happened.


I never said the crew was "so close" to Shepard. I said "closer" than Shepard's mom. Yes, Shepard's mom has known Shepard for 29 years but Benezia knew Liara for 106. And yet, I think Shepard and Liara (especially romanced) become closer than Liara is with Benezia over that short period.

Don't dare suggest that I'm saying Hackett is close to Shepard at all.

http://social.biowar...17816015-1.html

I repeat, I'm not saying I agree with Liara. I'm just saying I understand her behavior. It's an incredibly emotional situation.

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I think Shepard is on fairly good terms with his mother. They probably don't talk much because they are both very busy people.

Also, is it stated anywhere what Shepard's mom does during the course of ME3? She is a Captain(?), surely she's off fighting Reapers or Cerberus somewhere and she is still alive as of the Citadel DLC.


...I don't know... I heard the conversations between them and they felt formal and distant as if they don't have much of a relationship; especially the Citadel DLC one. Shepard's mom says she's proud of Shepard (who isn't?) but there isn't any down-to-earth talk like Shepard has with some of the crew. They say very little despite all that has happened.

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Don't dare suggest that I'm saying Hackett is close to Shepard at all.

http://social.biowar...17816015-1.html

I repeat, I'm not saying I agree with Liara. I'm just saying I understand her behavior. It's an incredibly emotional situation.

I will never understand her behavior..

With the Hackett thing. I probably hate him more than you do.

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Some of my more paragon minded positive shepards are grateful to Liara. But most kind of want to blow her head off because now I have to deal with Tim and the reality everyone that I trusted except Wrex if he's alive in that role play, Garrus, Tali and Joker (Chakwas and Anderson too) actually are pissed about my return on some level or maybe not
pissed but kind of treating it like it's more of a hassle. WTF!?!?

In fact, as I've really gotten more into the RP aspect, I'm pissed at everyone who is not instantly OKAY with my return, who has some freaking issue with it or doesn't understand that even though I hate this craptastic organization, I'm kind of stuck there because:

1) they DID bring me back to life which cost billions of credits (and that kind of tells me they're very crazy because who in their right mind would waste a billion credits on bringing someone back to life even if that someone was a hero) and that means they have an agenda so I need to stick around to see what it is

2) and because of that crazy factor of #1 I know Illusive Man cannot be trusted. I saw the awful experiments done in ME1 and Kahoku got killed, Alliance team KILLED, Thrasher Maw tests, Rachni set loose, and now they bring me back like it's doing humanity a favor? I kind of have to stay with them because Tim is up to something and if he's planning this suicide mission, there's some reason why and it Ain't to save colonies like he said it was because colonies were not under attack BEFORE he spent those billion credits. Not two years ago.

3) I have to stay with Tim because NOBODY is doing anything about the abductions. The Alliance isn't even investigating until they hear rumors about me according to the VS. That's pretty screwed up. I was an Alliance gal and they only begrudgingly send the VS survivor to investigate rumors that I'm alive out of suspicion rather than I was a dedicated Soldier who saved the citadel while everyone else sat on their thumbs or had me doing dumb side missions while Saren and whatever was going on with him were NOT a priority.

And now they only cared to bother about their MIA/presumed dead 'hero' when they think I'm with cerberus and it's pushed by some half arsed quani fanboy/girl VS? This is on top of me discovering that in the wake of my death, they back the council in dismissing the reapers and I'm called delusional. Along with them not caring about the abductions or investigating them because YOU ARE THE ALLIANCE! YOUR JOB IS TO PROTECT HUMAN INTERESTS, NO? Yeah, F*ck the Alliance. Most of my shepards these days HATE the Alliance and just humor people who are all pro alliance because as it turns out my shepard was the only one who did care. The Illusive man and his crazies didn't care. Not really. They planned my return before that. Saw I could fill some need for THEM, to be used like a pawn, and now I have to go along with this because the Alliance and council don't seem to care about the colonists. Better the devil who is at least doing something about it even if there's an ulterior motive.

The whole thing is so screwed up that my shepard wants to flay Liara alive. Currently, my engineer wants to incinerate her because frankly, by giving me to this splinter group, she didn't consider that I might not want some evil
organization to take my body and turn it or me into god knows what. How did THAT not cross her mind? Seriously! Turns out I was lucky that they brought me back as I was, but I was still a pawn, and now I'm their pawn but at least I can stop these collectors.

And Hackett? He can go F himself as well for letting the Alliance trash my good name then asking me to save his indoctrinated friend which puts me in the worst  danger of the entire series (save the rush to the white light) by sticking me in that damn room with a reaper object that did indoctrinate all of them. And then he wants me to take a bullet for them. The only reason I'm still bothering in this war is because when I look around me, at every turn I come to understand Mordin's 'someone else might have gotten it wrong' motto. It's damn clear to me that without me, they WILL get it wrong.

Currently, my shepard had only four survivors on the suicide mission because frankly, if they could not get their heads in the game enough and be PROFESSIONAL enough to not be thinking about some of the things they screwed up well before I arrived, then that is not my problem. They did not have to join. I was very frank with everyone of them about it. SUICIDE MISSION. Get it? If I need to babysit your sorry asses and help you solve crap that happened long before you met me (looking at you Samara, Miranda, Jacob, Zaeed...) that you could not solve without me then sorry but that's your tough luck. I helped Mordin because when the krogans abduct someone who worked on the genophage with him, I want to know what's going on there. That sets off my spidey sense. And Garrus because he's the only friend I really have. Tali because I want to know why they want to exhile her. I'm no fan of the Quarians to start with. They are part of the reason all this crap with the reapers is going on. They gave sovereign more power when they created the geth then turned on them the minute they became self aware. F that crap! So when they want
to know what happened, I don't honor Tali's wishes because frankly that's some nasty crap her father was doing. It could have endangered the whole fleet! His name should be struck from the records. But the political BS and them mostly planning to go at the geth AGAIN has me hating the quarians. Meanwhile I've got this new get fanboy who seems like he might actually be one of the good guy. But I'm suspicious so I will go and see what he wants me to do.

Yeah, this shepard really doesn't like most people or races. She's tolerant. She does like the Turians. Hates the asari after hearing what the batender Matriarch has to say about them and after fighting waves and waves of asari Mercs and meeting nasties like Aria. No love there. Doesn't hate the krogan but damn will thinks that genophage should never be cured and destroys the data. Uplifting them was a HUGE mistake. Turns out I agree with that asari on Illium who had all that anger, though I didn't think takingit out on the colonists was approriate. This shepard also hates the alliance and anyone who disrespected my name in the wake of my death or cannot understand that saving colonists is who I am plus it's the only way I can see WHY Tim brought me back. But I can't anyone this because they'll just call me delusional.

This shepard will stop the reapers to give the galaxy a chance at ending this nightmare, but there will be casualties because that is what happens in war.

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That's quite the rant there. Must have made for a very interesting playthrough. I can't get into the game as a bitter Shepard. My favorite colonist/ruthless one was very practical and focused on the mission, but never bitter about it. She actually felt Cerberus had earned some trust.

Liara certainly did consider those scenarios you mentioned. That's why she felt guilty. Reasonably, bringing Shepard back as some cyborg abomination or something was very unlikely. The alternative was leaving Shepard dead. If they only wanted a Cerberus slave they could have cloned Shepard (which they did) rather than go through the monstrous burden of bringing Shepard back to life. Liara rolled the dice. She couldn't ask Shepard if she should so Liara had to make the call and it paid off. It's not fair to hate someone for being put into an impossible situation but you're role-playing so do what you want.

Maybe I just don't hate Cerberus pre-ME3 as much as you. Ok, from your rant I know I don't. They were heroes in ME2. They have a gray history like the Alliance but they actually were doing something about the reaper threat instead of covering their ears like the Alliance/Council. I believe TIM cares about the colonists somewhat but he's more concerned about the big picture regarding just what those abductions imply. In ME2 I believe his end-game truly was to stop the reapers, and if he can keep humanity in the game or put them ahead, great. He's no different than all the other races looking out for themselves. Ex: the asari keeping a prothean beacon for themselves which really screwed over the war effort in ME3. I don't believe he planned to keep the collector base all along but it was something he likely considered. After seeing EDI's schematics he saw it was feasible and very logical IMO.

Sadly you have to headcanon hating the Alliance, quarians, Liara, asari, etc. I kind of hate the krogan myself because they're so damn disgusting in their love for violence.

The "someone else might have gotten it wrong" motivation behind your character makes a good story. You should have put this in my Shepard's story thread.

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That's quite the rant there. Must have made for a very interesting playthrough. I can't get into the game as a bitter Shepard. My favorite colonist/ruthless one was very practical and focused on the mission, but never bitter about it. She actually felt Cerberus had earned some trust.

Liara certainly did consider those scenarios you mentioned. That's why she felt guilty. Reasonably, bringing Shepard back as some cyborg abomination or something was very unlikely. The alternative was leaving Shepard dead. If they only wanted a Cerberus slave they could have cloned Shepard (which they did) rather than go through the monstrous burden of bringing Shepard back to life. Liara rolled the dice. She couldn't ask Shepard if she should so Liara had to make the call and it paid off. It's not fair to hate someone for being put into an impossible situation but you're role-playing so do what you want.

Maybe I just don't hate Cerberus pre-ME3 as much as you. Ok, from your rant I know I don't. They were heroes in ME2. They have a gray history like the Alliance but they actually were doing something about the reaper threat instead of covering their ears like the Alliance/Council. I believe TIM cares about the colonists somewhat but he's more concerned about the big picture regarding just what those abductions imply. In ME2 I believe his end-game truly was to stop the reapers, and if he can keep humanity in the game or put them ahead, great. He's no different than all the other races looking out for themselves. Ex: the asari keeping a prothean beacon for themselves which really screwed over the war effort in ME3. I don't believe he planned to keep the collector base all along but it was something he likely considered. After seeing EDI's schematics he saw it was feasible and very logical IMO.

Sadly you have to headcanon hating the Alliance, quarians, Liara, asari, etc. I kind of hate the krogan myself because they're so damn disgusting in their love for violence.

The "someone else might have gotten it wrong" motivation behind your character makes a good story. You should have put this in my Shepard's story thread.

http://social.biowar...ndex/17843939/2


The thing is that my shepard didn't start out this way. She had some history that made her inherently watchful due to being a colonist where batarian slavers destroyed it and a sole survivor that gets that there will be casualties especially when people don't stay focused. But as she saw things like what cerberus did, she was very distrustful of them. They toyed with rachni, alliance teams, studied thrasher maw influence on people like tombs, etc. So she knows the score with them and no matter what Illusive man tells her, fact is they took her body long before the collectors started or at least before anyone could have realized it was the collectors and reaper related. At first she stays to help the colonists and figures she'll be able to find out what cerberus is really up to because remember, she has seen what they are capable of. She remains suspicious. Jack adds to her suspicions because now they've screwed with children and makes them as bad as batarian slavers in her book. Then it just keeps unfolding that Tim has ulterior motives. She uses him to stop the collectors but she never for a minute believes the real motive for Tim is to stop the collectors. Turns out she was right. He wants to save that base and he knew they would have to go through the omega relay. He probably wanted the tech on the other side all along as he was johnny on the spot to get her to save it. Didn't miss a beat on that one, did he?

So that's sort of how my shepard is. Slow to trust and very skeptical. And actually, it's really fun to play that way because it feels like she's smarter and wiser from her life experiences. Rather than pie in the sky, she observes and makes calculated decisions.

The rant was a shepard rant. I was totally in my characte for that. It was really fun!

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Here's a few choices I haven't made nor will I ever.

Pick control, synthesis or refuse

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Here's a few choices I haven't made nor will I ever.

Pick control, synthesis or refuse


I did refuse twice unintentionally. Once I was picking a different dialouge saying I couldn't make that choice not realizing it would land me in refuse. Then Harbinger says SO BE IT. The other time I got sick of the brat yapping and shot him. That triggered refuse. Both times I reloaded.

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Here's a few choices I haven't made nor will I ever.

Pick control, synthesis or refuse


I did refuse twice unintentionally. Once I was picking a different dialouge saying I couldn't make that choice not realizing it would land me in refuse. Then Harbinger says SO BE IT. The other time I got sick of the brat yapping and shot him. That triggered refuse. Both times I reloaded.

I would be curious at how many people shot the cataylst not knowing it would lead to refuse after the extended cut was released

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Here's a few choices I haven't made nor will I ever.

Pick control, synthesis or refuse


I did refuse twice unintentionally. Once I was picking a different dialouge saying I couldn't make that choice not realizing it would land me in refuse. Then Harbinger says SO BE IT. The other time I got sick of the brat yapping and shot him. That triggered refuse. Both times I reloaded.

I would be curious at how many people shot the cataylst not knowing it would lead to refuse after the extended cut was released


He's rather annoying. It's kind of easy to just pop a bullet in him. Dare I say it was worth having to go through that whole annoying last bit again just to shoot him. Still want to do it every time, but I know where that gets me now. And when I shot him, I wasn't even right near him. I was almost at the destruction platform but I really just wanted to shoot him so I turned around and did and then heard harbinger say SO BE IT.  -- that sorta sucked.

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Let Allers on the ship then later on kick her off the ship

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themikefest wrote...

Let Allers on the ship then later on kick her off the ship



I heard that she can be one of the voices in Shepard's dream sequences. LMAO.

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I still haven't met Padok Wiks or the not-Legion VI - while the majority of the ME2 squad have died in one playthrough or another, Mordin has always made it to ME3. I'll probably purposely screw up the Collector Base so Mordin dies next time around, so I can do the Sur'Kesh/Tuchanka sequence with Wiks. He seems like a potentially interesting character from what I've seen and heard.

I'm not sure about the Geth VI, though - I watched some YouTube clips, and it appears that Shepard repeatedly calls it "Legion" and is in turn repeatedly told that "we are not Legion." By the third or fourth time, I was thinking, "Shepard, you dunce, stop calling it Legion already." Does that in fact continue through the entire Rannoch arc, or is it specific to certain dialogue choices or other prerequisites?

Aside from that, there are some squadmate/mission combinations that I'd like to try but that I haven't done just because they strain credibility. I hear Kaidan has some interesting dialogue at Grissom Academy, for example, but it feels unrealistic that Shepard could ignore Grissom until after the Cerberus Coup and find the attack still in progress.

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Let Allers on the ship then later on kick her off the ship



I heard that she can be one of the voices in Shepard's dream sequences. LMAO.

Yes she does

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I still haven't met Padok Wiks or the not-Legion VI - while the majority of the ME2 squad have died in one playthrough or another, Mordin has always made it to ME3. I'll probably purposely screw up the Collector Base so Mordin dies next time around, so I can do the Sur'Kesh/Tuchanka sequence with Wiks. He seems like a potentially interesting character from what I've seen and heard.

I'm not sure about the Geth VI, though - I watched some YouTube clips, and it appears that Shepard repeatedly calls it "Legion" and is in turn repeatedly told that "we are not Legion." By the third or fourth time, I was thinking, "Shepard, you dunce, stop calling it Legion already." Does that in fact continue through the entire Rannoch arc, or is it specific to certain dialogue choices or other prerequisites?

Aside from that, there are some squadmate/mission combinations that I'd like to try but that I haven't done just because they strain credibility. I hear Kaidan has some interesting dialogue at Grissom Academy, for example, but it feels unrealistic that Shepard could ignore Grissom until after the Cerberus Coup and find the attack still in progress.


You can always give Legion to Cerberus and Shepard will never call the Geth VI Legion. I did that with one character and really wanted to throw the Geth VI out the airlock at Javik's request but ME3 forced me to keep it aboard.

I don't think Kaidan can go to Grissom Academy. After a certain point that mission becomes un-doable if you put it off; pretty sure it's before the Citadel coup.

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congokong wrote...

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I like doing that kind of role playing, where the character has ideas and beliefs that shape their behavior and it's all logical when you see the person's perspective.

Does anyone here every do role playing like that?


That is pretty much the ONLY kind of role playing I do.  It has meant that every one of my Shepards has been unique in their decision making, even if they made the exact same decisions at all the major turns.

For me, it even affects how some of them go about combat at times.

It's fun to use someone else's brain for a few hours.


Yep, this is how I play my Shepards. I set up their character from their backstories, and then see if the game changes their convictions at all. My first renegade was a character who would have thought the 1st message Thane told Kolyat, "Be loyal to your friends, and dangerous to your enemies." dead on. If you were an ally, he was there for you, all the way to the wall, if need be. If you weren't, at best your were expendable cannon-fodder. At worst, you were meat. He didn't help Liara become Shadow Broker because she bailed on him, and they were never 'friends' as such in ME1. He romanced Ash in ME1, but their confrontation on Horizon made him feel like she betrayed him. So when she came back in ME3, he gave her the cold shoulder, hard. When Ash turned on Udina, they reconciled, to a degree. But he never trusted her. 

So yeah, I don't play Paragon just to be Paragon, or Renegade just to be red. It's more an extension of their personality and how I see them as people. 


I couldn't forgive Ashley for how she treats Shepard. Her friendship to Shepard was put to the test and she failed horribly. No gratitude for saving Horizon; nothing but scolding for working with Cerberus; refusal to even consider joining the crew if you bother asking; no visit on earth in the 6 months of detention; and then a prerquisite of hospital visits, gifts, and paragon responses just to start trusting you again. **** her.

Shepard's other friends gave Shepard a chance. Tali, Garrus, Chakwas, and Joker all trusted Shepard unless Shepard gave them real reason otherwise. Liara also did but considering her involvement in Lazarus she felt she owed Shepard the benefit of the doubt. Wrex... seemed oblivious to everything.

What do you mean "Liara bailed" on Shepard? You are aware of how she put her life on the line to save Shepard's body from the Collectors. That kind of makes up for skipping the suicide mission, and Shepard didn't push her very hard to join (because of LotSB).

I don't agree with her obsession over hunting the Shadow Broker, but I can understand it. In a way, she couldn't join Shepard because she had to avenge Shepard. Strange I know. And then after LotSB she can't join because it isn't where she'd be most useful. Garrus, Joker, etc. wouldn't join Shepard either if they had something on Liara's scale holding them back either I'm sure. Tali was the only one who did and she doesn't join the crew until after her mission is done.


You understand Liara's motives if you follow them through LotSB, sure. But my Renegade didn't know he had a reason to hate the Shadow Broker. He never got the dialogue about her handing his body over to Cerberus and fighting the SB to do so. So no, he didn't know what she did. As far as he knew, she was using her obsession as a lame excuse to stay comfortable on Ilium. Now I headcanoned he learned the truth later. And the two reconciled in ME3. But he didn't know until much later all she'd given up for him. 

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I still haven't met Padok Wiks or the not-Legion VI - while the majority of the ME2 squad have died in one playthrough or another, Mordin has always made it to ME3. I'll probably purposely screw up the Collector Base so Mordin dies next time around, so I can do the Sur'Kesh/Tuchanka sequence with Wiks. He seems like a potentially interesting character from what I've seen and heard.

I'm not sure about the Geth VI, though - I watched some YouTube clips, and it appears that Shepard repeatedly calls it "Legion" and is in turn repeatedly told that "we are not Legion." By the third or fourth time, I was thinking, "Shepard, you dunce, stop calling it Legion already." Does that in fact continue through the entire Rannoch arc, or is it specific to certain dialogue choices or other prerequisites?

Aside from that, there are some squadmate/mission combinations that I'd like to try but that I haven't done just because they strain credibility. I hear Kaidan has some interesting dialogue at Grissom Academy, for example, but it feels unrealistic that Shepard could ignore Grissom until after the Cerberus Coup and find the attack still in progress.


You meet Wiks still. It's just he doesn't go past the 1st level of the base. 

As far as the Getth VI goes. I didn't get the "Legion"/"We are not Legion" dialogue. But that's probably because my synthetic-hating Adept sold Legion before activation. :P

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I still haven't met Padok Wiks or the not-Legion VI - while the majority of the ME2 squad have died in one playthrough or another, Mordin has always made it to ME3. I'll probably purposely screw up the Collector Base so Mordin dies next time around, so I can do the Sur'Kesh/Tuchanka sequence with Wiks. He seems like a potentially interesting character from what I've seen and heard.

I'm not sure about the Geth VI, though - I watched some YouTube clips, and it appears that Shepard repeatedly calls it "Legion" and is in turn repeatedly told that "we are not Legion." By the third or fourth time, I was thinking, "Shepard, you dunce, stop calling it Legion already." Does that in fact continue through the entire Rannoch arc, or is it specific to certain dialogue choices or other prerequisites?

Aside from that, there are some squadmate/mission combinations that I'd like to try but that I haven't done just because they strain credibility. I hear Kaidan has some interesting dialogue at Grissom Academy, for example, but it feels unrealistic that Shepard could ignore Grissom until after the Cerberus Coup and find the attack still in progress.


You can always give Legion to Cerberus and Shepard will never call the Geth VI Legion. I did that with one character and really wanted to throw the Geth VI out the airlock at Javik's request but ME3 forced me to keep it aboard.

I don't think Kaidan can go to Grissom Academy. After a certain point that mission becomes un-doable if you put it off; pretty sure it's before the Citadel coup.


Yep, Citadel II closes Grissom Academy. If you land on Citadel post-Tuchanka, you've guaranteed Phantom-Jack. Well, if she lived through ME2, that is. :pinched:

And yeah, my Adept sooo wanted to toss the machine out the airlock. Didn't do the Geth Fighter Squadrons just because she didn't trust the machine that far. She's not a big fan of EDI's body either.

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I think Shepard is on fairly good terms with his mother. They probably don't talk much because they are both very busy people.

Also, is it stated anywhere what Shepard's mom does during the course of ME3? She is a Captain(?), surely she's off fighting Reapers or Cerberus somewhere and she is still alive as of the Citadel DLC.


Spacer's Mom accepts Hackett's promotion offer and becomes a Rear Admiral working on the Crucible. This after she turned down a promotion in ME2 because she thought the Alliance was trying to play politics with her and believed serving as a Captain best honored her child.

The Citadel DLC dialogue between them is actually pretty well done. Really should've been able to Holo her from London though.

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FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I still haven't met Padok Wiks or the not-Legion VI - while the majority of the ME2 squad have died in one playthrough or another, Mordin has always made it to ME3. I'll probably purposely screw up the Collector Base so Mordin dies next time around, so I can do the Sur'Kesh/Tuchanka sequence with Wiks. He seems like a potentially interesting character from what I've seen and heard.

I'm not sure about the Geth VI, though - I watched some YouTube clips, and it appears that Shepard repeatedly calls it "Legion" and is in turn repeatedly told that "we are not Legion." By the third or fourth time, I was thinking, "Shepard, you dunce, stop calling it Legion already." Does that in fact continue through the entire Rannoch arc, or is it specific to certain dialogue choices or other prerequisites?

Aside from that, there are some squadmate/mission combinations that I'd like to try but that I haven't done just because they strain credibility. I hear Kaidan has some interesting dialogue at Grissom Academy, for example, but it feels unrealistic that Shepard could ignore Grissom until after the Cerberus Coup and find the attack still in progress.


Wiks is good enough to have as the Salarian Doctor at least once.  A slightly different perspective.

Shepard calls the Geth VI "Legion" so long as Legion was activated in ME2.  The VI introducing itself by saying it is a backup copy of Legion from before it met Shepard before it starts saying "We are not Legion".

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RangerSG wrote...

congokong wrote...

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starlitegirlx wrote...

I like doing that kind of role playing, where the character has ideas and beliefs that shape their behavior and it's all logical when you see the person's perspective.

Does anyone here every do role playing like that?


That is pretty much the ONLY kind of role playing I do.  It has meant that every one of my Shepards has been unique in their decision making, even if they made the exact same decisions at all the major turns.

For me, it even affects how some of them go about combat at times.

It's fun to use someone else's brain for a few hours.


Yep, this is how I play my Shepards. I set up their character from their backstories, and then see if the game changes their convictions at all. My first renegade was a character who would have thought the 1st message Thane told Kolyat, "Be loyal to your friends, and dangerous to your enemies." dead on. If you were an ally, he was there for you, all the way to the wall, if need be. If you weren't, at best your were expendable cannon-fodder. At worst, you were meat. He didn't help Liara become Shadow Broker because she bailed on him, and they were never 'friends' as such in ME1. He romanced Ash in ME1, but their confrontation on Horizon made him feel like she betrayed him. So when she came back in ME3, he gave her the cold shoulder, hard. When Ash turned on Udina, they reconciled, to a degree. But he never trusted her. 

So yeah, I don't play Paragon just to be Paragon, or Renegade just to be red. It's more an extension of their personality and how I see them as people. 


I couldn't forgive Ashley for how she treats Shepard. Her friendship to Shepard was put to the test and she failed horribly. No gratitude for saving Horizon; nothing but scolding for working with Cerberus; refusal to even consider joining the crew if you bother asking; no visit on earth in the 6 months of detention; and then a prerquisite of hospital visits, gifts, and paragon responses just to start trusting you again. **** her.

Shepard's other friends gave Shepard a chance. Tali, Garrus, Chakwas, and Joker all trusted Shepard unless Shepard gave them real reason otherwise. Liara also did but considering her involvement in Lazarus she felt she owed Shepard the benefit of the doubt. Wrex... seemed oblivious to everything.

What do you mean "Liara bailed" on Shepard? You are aware of how she put her life on the line to save Shepard's body from the Collectors. That kind of makes up for skipping the suicide mission, and Shepard didn't push her very hard to join (because of LotSB).

I don't agree with her obsession over hunting the Shadow Broker, but I can understand it. In a way, she couldn't join Shepard because she had to avenge Shepard. Strange I know. And then after LotSB she can't join because it isn't where she'd be most useful. Garrus, Joker, etc. wouldn't join Shepard either if they had something on Liara's scale holding them back either I'm sure. Tali was the only one who did and she doesn't join the crew until after her mission is done.


You understand Liara's motives if you follow them through LotSB, sure. But my Renegade didn't know he had a reason to hate the Shadow Broker. He never got the dialogue about her handing his body over to Cerberus and fighting the SB to do so. So no, he didn't know what she did. As far as he knew, she was using her obsession as a lame excuse to stay comfortable on Ilium. Now I headcanoned he learned the truth later. And the two reconciled in ME3. But he didn't know until much later all she'd given up for him. 


Did you skip the terminal hacking quests or make the mistake of clicking "Liara's needs" in the dialogue tree after they were completed; the one time in the series that an investigate option closes investigate dialogue for an unknown reason?

Modifié par congokong, 15 février 2014 - 02:19 .