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[darkchief10]

KC_Prototype wrote...

DooomCookie wrote...

Leliana was irritating for anyone who had killed her. I understand that it's up to Bioware and Laidlaw to decide which characters return, and keeping choices consistent can be tricky business, I imagine. But it was still very irritating seeing a character that I not only killed, but had attacked me and had been written with death as a viable, supported 'outcome' of their arc.

I don't particularly see the point of bringing her back either. She had her moments, but she was hardly a fan favourite. The bulk of exploring her character had been done in Origins. I would have been happy with seeing another strong female character in her place instead.[/quote

I wouldn't say Leliana was hater majority, I felt most people liked her, I certainly did. Bioware saw her as an important character to their 5 game plan so they recton her, oh well. I never understood why soo many people actually listen to Kolgrim, I know it was a choice and it's great to have choices but that option just seems irrational since Kolgrim is just a blabbering idiot talking out of his ass.

you, i like you:mellow: I kill kolgrim on principle alone, If you're stupid enough to think a dragon is the reincarnated form of a great prophet you deserve to have you and your entire cult removed from the gene pool.

Modifié par darkchief10, 13 février 2014 - 09:26 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think Kolgrim is the only person I've killed on every DAO play through. (You know, other than all the people I had to murder to advance the plot.) Even that time I defiled the Ashes just for the achievement, I came back and killed him anyway.

[TurretSyndrome]

I don't think anyone's death bothered me as much as Wynne's. If you kill her in Origins, how is she able to do all that stuff that happened in Asunder. There are things in that book that could not have happened in Asunder without her.

Unless Bioware brought her back from the dead too(somehow her corpse slipping out of the tower?), this is a major plot hole.

[Mistic]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

I don't think anyone's death bothered me as much as Wynne's. If you kill her in Origins, how is she able to do all that stuff that happened in Asunder. There are things in that book that could not have happened in Asunder without her.

Unless Bioware brought her back from the dead too(somehow her corpse slipping out of the tower?), this is a major plot hole.

Asunder follows Bioware canon, with the female Dalish Warden who sacrificed herself.  Wynne lived, Alistair was king, so books and comics can happen. As long as it isn't retconned in a game, it happens in another universe, not yours.

[FireAndBlood]

thats1evildude wrote...

I hope people are eventually able to let this s**t go.

[TurretSyndrome]

Misticsan wrote...

Asunder follows Bioware canon, with the female Dalish Warden who sacrificed herself.  Wynne lived, Alistair was king, so books and comics can happen. As long as it isn't retconned in a game, it happens in another universe, not yours.

Erm... Inquisition happens right after Asunder. Rhys and the whole mage escape(a pretty major event that can't be ignored in the game) in White Spire cannot happen without Wynne and Shale(who can also be killled in the game, by the way). So if Inquisition has any of that, it means she's been retconned.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 13 février 2014 - 11:14 .

[Gwinever]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

I don't think anyone's death bothered me as much as Wynne's. If you kill her in Origins, how is she able to do all that stuff that happened in Asunder. There are things in that book that could not have happened in Asunder without her.

Unless Bioware brought her back from the dead too(somehow her corpse slipping out of the tower?), this is a major plot hole.

The thing with Wynne is, she has a spirit inside her that can ressurrect her, it's hinted at when you first meet her and even shown ingame in a special encounter if you take her along wich even activates the ressurrect ability ingame if you make the proper choices.

[TurretSyndrome]

Gwinever wrote...
The thing with Wynne is, she has a spirit inside her that can ressurrect her, it's hinted at when you first meet her and even shown ingame in a special encounter if you take her along wich even activates the ressurrect ability ingame if you make the proper choices.

Here we go again with the whole "I swallowed a spirit so I am now immune to player kills" crap. Sigh...

I usually don't care about stuff like this but it's kinda getting annoying. I have to yet to hear Gaider's great reveal regarding how Leliana survived too. What lame animal will he pull out of his hat this time I wonder? 

Who's bright idea was it to include companion kills again?

[DooomCookie]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Gwinever wrote...
The thing with Wynne is, she has a spirit inside her that can ressurrect her, it's hinted at when you first meet her and even shown ingame in a special encounter if you take her along wich even activates the ressurrect ability ingame if you make the proper choices.

Here we go again with the whole "I swallowed a spirit so I am now immune to player kills" crap. Sigh...

I usually don't care about stuff like this but it's kinda getting annoying. I have to yet to hear Gaider's great reveal regarding how Leliana survived too. What lame animal will he pull out of his hat this time I wonder? 

Who's bright idea was it to include companion kills again?

I agree, it's not an issue that it's against the lore (I'm sure the writers are more than capable for creating a believeable handwave) or that it violates some sacred law of game writing that the writers are beholden too.  It's just irritating for people who've decided to kill the character.  As with all things on BSN, it's been blown out of proportion, but I fail to see the need to constantly bring back these characters where they are not necessary, especially when it treads on the toes of a given player's decision.

And with regards to Wynne, Asunder is in the 'Bioware universe', which is not canon any more than anyone's playthrough.

[TurretSyndrome]

DooomCookie wrote...
And with regards to Wynne, Asunder is in the 'Bioware universe', which is not canon any more than anyone's playthrough.

We'll see once the game is released. As I said, the whole mage escapade, finding the cure to Tranquility, Rhys accompanying Wynne, Evangeline's survival, Lambert gone missing, are all pretty big stuff for them to cover for in Inquisition(in which case, just hand waving the option to kill her would be the easiest way out, as long as they come out and say it). 

Looking forward to the Keep to see how it handles all of this. Just for fun, I'll make all the decisions where all companions(except Alistair) in Origins are killed/not recruited to know how it will work out. A server crash won't surprise me.

:innocent:

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 13 février 2014 - 11:56 .

[Star fury]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Here we go again with the whole "I swallowed a spirit so I am now immune to player kills" crap. Sigh...

I usually don't care about stuff like this but it's kinda getting annoying. I have to yet to hear Gaider's great reveal regarding how Leliana survived too. What lame animal will he pull out of his hat this time I wonder? 

Who's bright idea was it to include companion kills again?

You don't understand that you look like a spoilt child with this vitriol. It's Bioware IP and their writers can do anything with it, they owe you nothing.

[Arcanis]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Misticsan wrote...

Asunder follows Bioware canon, with the female Dalish Warden who sacrificed herself.  Wynne lived, Alistair was king, so books and comics can happen. As long as it isn't retconned in a game, it happens in another universe, not yours.

Erm... Inquisition happens right after Asunder. Rhys and the whole mage escape(a pretty major event that can't be ignored in the game) in White Spire cannot happen without Wynne and Shale(who can also be killled in the game, by the way). So if Inquisition has any of that, it means she's been retconned.

While I still have to read Asunder, I don't believe she is neccessary. Let me explain why I think so:
The break up was BOUND to happen after the Kirkwall-disaster. Gaider wrote one way how it happened
(the Asunder way).
I personally believe that history happens, if you go back in time to erase one prominent figure, someone else will take
his/her spot. Will it happen the same? No. Will the outcome be comparable? Definitly. 
Wynne is special, but not uniqe. There are other spirit healers, other people can contract Spirits, there are other
expirienced mages. Some developments can NOT be stoped.

[Dio Demon]

Gyad, this thread!

Turret this is how the books and comics work. There is the BioWare default story as stated above, which the books and comics follow. When it comes to the games and your 'unique world', the books events changes based on your decisions.

[TurretSyndrome]

Star fury wrote...

You don't understand that you look like a spoilt child with this vitriol. It's Bioware IP and their writers can do anything with it, they owe you nothing.

And you look like an eager kid always ready to lick the dust off of the developer's feet when possible. Watch with the attitude

It's Bioware creation, true,  but I am given control of the protagonist as well as choices to affect their created world. Just because the game is done doesn't mean it reverts the universe that it happend in to "default" settings, where only people who Bioware chooses, die. Stop being an idiot.

Consistency of events in their universe is something they do owe to the people who are introduced to it.

Chaoticos wrote...
 Some developments can NOT be stoped.

I don't disagree. As I said, I'm looking forward to how they'll handle it in Inquisition.

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Gyad, this thread!

Turret this is how the books and comics work. There is the BioWare default story as stated above, which the books and comics follow. When it comes to the games and your 'unique world', the books events changes based on your decisions.

Don't mean any disrespect but I'm already aware of the disparity between the books/comics versus the games. There's no need to explain that to me. What I meant by my earlier posts is that whatever happened in Asunder is something I consider big. Therefore I expect multiple referrences to the events in Asunder, in Inquisition, one way or another. 

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 13 février 2014 - 12:19 .

[x-aizen-x]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

i swear u guys are the most sensitive people ever. I you for some reason kill of all your companions because they disagreed with you then the keep will let you input that as you world state. But stop trying to force you logic off on other people. not all of us kill our companions cause they had different morals or ideas then us. I you were able to find something wrong with sten and killed him that put that in the keep. But not everyone thinks like that. The op seems like the ind of player who enjoyed killing of people and loosing tons of content. if that's your thing fine. But i like having as much content as possible so no i did not kill the people you name of.

So your idea to not have people's ideas forced upon you is to force your ideas upon people? Because that's what happens when a killed character returns, no matter what.

thats wat the keep is for if u killed your companions cause they looked at u wrong then the keep will inptut that into the world state. Im saying bio has found a way 4 every1s decsions to the world but people like u and the op just are not satisfied. For your kind there has to be a problem.

[Aaleel]

x-aizen-x wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

x-aizen-x wrote...

i swear u guys are the most sensitive people ever. I you for some reason kill of all your companions because they disagreed with you then the keep will let you input that as you world state. But stop trying to force you logic off on other people. not all of us kill our companions cause they had different morals or ideas then us. I you were able to find something wrong with sten and killed him that put that in the keep. But not everyone thinks like that. The op seems like the ind of player who enjoyed killing of people and loosing tons of content. if that's your thing fine. But i like having as much content as possible so no i did not kill the people you name of.

So your idea to not have people's ideas forced upon you is to force your ideas upon people? Because that's what happens when a killed character returns, no matter what.

thats wat the keep is for if u killed your companions cause they looked at u wrong then the keep will inptut that into the world state. Im saying bio has found a way 4 every1s decsions to the world but people like u and the op just are not satisfied. For your kind there has to be a problem.

That's not entirely true, Bioware said that you can select an option in the keep that says you 'tried' to kill someone, but that it won't necessarily mean they won't show up. 

[Il Divo]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

And you look like an eager kid always ready to lick the dust off of the developer's feet when possible. Watch with the attitude

It's Bioware creation, true,  but I am given control of the protagonist as well as choices to affect their created world. Just because the game is done doesn't mean it reverts the universe that it happend in to "default" settings, where only people who Bioware chooses, die. Stop being an idiot.

Consistency of events in their universe is something they do owe to the people who are introduced to it.

Well, it certainly never stopped people from enjoying Shadows of Amn. The game there assumed a canon party from Baldur's Gate 1 and it's regarded by many as their best game.

[Star fury]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

And you look like an eager kid always ready to lick the dust off of the developer's feet when possible. Watch with the attitude

Me? "ready to lick the dust off of the developer's feet when possible." ? Your attempt to insult me failed miserably. I wish you were more mature.

TurretSyndrome wrote...

It's Bioware creation, true,  but I am given control of the protagonist as well as choices to affect their created world. Just because the game is done doesn't mean it reverts the universe that it happend in to "default" settings, where only people who Bioware chooses, die. Stop being an idiot.

Consistency of events in their universe is something they do owe to the people who are introduced to it.

TurretSyndrome wrote...

It's Bioware creation, true,  but I
am given control of the protagonist as well as choices to affect their
created world. Just because the game is done doesn't mean it reverts the
universe that it happend in to "default" settings, where only people
who Bioware chooses, die. Stop being an idiot.

You seem upset.

TurretSyndrome wrote...


Consistency of events in their universe is something they do owe to the people who are introduced to it.

I repeat, they owe you nothing.

[TurretSyndrome]

I'm not upset at all, just calling it as I see it. I realize you got nothing meaningful to offer, so I'll stop there.

[Star fury]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

I'm not upset at all, just calling it as I see it. I realize you got nothing meaningful to offer, so I'll stop there.

Says a poster who started to call others idiots and bootlickers.

[Dean_the_Young]

You might want to get that vision checked, yo dawg.