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[SlottsMachine]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The only recent remake better then the original in my opinion was Judge Dredd and that was mostly because they ditched rocky and went with an actor who can actually pull off the role somewhat better then a slab of beef.

I was surprised by how much better it was than the orignal film. The lack of Rob Schneider greatly increased this film's quality.

However, the new film doesn't have the campy charm of the old film, which mainly came in the form of "I am the LAW!"

I found the new "I am the law" to be much, much better.  Less funny, more actual badass.  

I don't think it's even right to consider the new Dredd to be a "remake", since it's more in line with the source material and shares almost nothing in common with Stallone's film. Plus:



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LOL. ^This.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah Judge Dredd is just awesome Why is this remake thread even here?

[SlottsMachine]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Yeah Judge Dredd is just awesome Why is this remake thread even here?

Seival is one cray homie. 

[slimgrin]

Last Judge Dredd movie is the best cyberpunk I've seen in ages. As to the new Robocop, don't blame Kinnaman, who's ideally suited to the role. But you can't replicate the cynical satire of the original nowadays. It was never meant to be a conventional action flick.

[Anzer]

The Dredd reboot was fantastic, I absolutely love that film.
The Total Recall reboot was interesting in the sense that it liberally borrowed from Mass Effect in terms of the visual style; otherwise not a big fan.
The Robocop reboot...lolno.

[Ridwan]

Does it have Clarence Boddicker?

[OdanUrr]

dreamgazer wrote...



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[Lotion Soronarr]

The moves have different themes.

They are NOT the same. The new Robocop is not a re-thread. It takes the old themes and puts a modern spin on them. Or more precisely, it deals with themes and concepts more relevant to "our" time.


They are different beasts, and that is good. The old Robocop dealt PERFECTLY with it's themes. A re-doing of the same was not necessary.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ravensword wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

The only recent remake better then the original in my opinion was Judge Dredd and that was mostly because they ditched rocky and went with an actor who can actually pull off the role somewhat better then a slab of beef.

I was surprised by how much better it was than the orignal film. The lack of Rob Schneider greatly increased this film's quality.

However, the new film doesn't have the campy charm of the old film, which mainly came in the form of "I am the LAW!"

True. That was the biggest fault of old Judge Dredd.

That said, I don't consdier the old move bad. It is campy, but given that it was attempting to be very comc-like it is expected.

Then again, I don't consider the Super Mario Bros movie horrible, on the fact that it to ois campy, and that you really can't do much with the Super Mario premise.

[Obadiah]

Seival wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Like a lot of work by Verhoeven, and by Peter Weller, the original was camp with a conscience. It had a valid and well-executed point to what it was doing, but it was unafraid to revel in the camp sensibility of contemporary action films (by which I mean the 1980's.) The important thing to remember is that it stood up very well to most films of its type. It was funny, smart and well-made. Even the effects were good by the standards of the day.

I suppose it's possible that the new one could accomplish those things, and I may get around to watching it, for the sake of finding out, but I don't think it's very likely.

Well, re-makes not always have to be worse than originals. I'm sure you will enjoy watching Robocop (2014), if you are a fan of sci-fi dramas. The movie will not remind you original Robocop much. More likely it will remind you DE:HR and Ghost in the Shell.

The Robocop remake is a completely different story to the original. If I had to compare it to the original, I'd say it was worse, but I really like the original, so "worse" to me just means "it's less good" but still good. An entertaining B- or C+ maybe. I'll probably watch again in the theater.

The new movie has similar messages to the original, but like a lot of new movies, the slick special effects seem to get in the way sometimes of telling a good story. This story is not as strong as the original in terms of the general commentary on entertainment, capitalism, corporate America, or the potential degredation of where our society is heading - which the original was pretty much in-your-face. Don't expect the subversive, ridiculously violent caricature of the state of entertainment (vis-a-vis the state of movies in late 80s), the hilariously satirical news casts (Pretoria unveils neutron bomb), advertisements ("Big is back" 6000 SUX), or television personalities ("I'd buy that for a dollar!") in this new movie. Replacing these is the blatant message: how much are we willing to give up for security?

The new Robocop film is less focused on society, and more so on the human elements and characters. As such Murphy rather graphically comes face to face with what's left of himself much earlier. This time, his independence is curtailed substantially. Data feeds voyeuristically display his location, what he sees, and even his thoughts back to his handlers who monitor his every move. At one point Murphy is tricked into believing he is in control of the Robocop, when in fact a much more efficient computer program is. The idea that he has become a corporate product, and in some cases is not even aware of it, is much more prominent.

Oh, and I can't forget this difference - there is no one in the new Robocop even close to replacing the Kurtwood Smith's gleefully ultra violent and completely amoral Clarence Boddicker ("can you fly, Bobby?", "you can keep the gum"), or his eclectic band of miscreant thugs.


Of course, the new characters of Gary Oleman's good scientist who slowly compromises his ethics, and Sam Jackson's ridiculously partisan talkshow host, were welcome and entertaining additions.

Modifié par Obadiah, 15 février 2014 - 01:10 .

[General TSAR]

I love the story and how exactly it was told. Robocop (2014) is definitely one of the best sci-fi stories of all times, and modern visually stunning blockbuster at the same time.

Jake?





Thank you Jake. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 14 février 2014 - 10:08 .

[Seival]

Obadiah wrote...

Seival wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Like a lot of work by Verhoeven, and by Peter Weller, the original was camp with a conscience. It had a valid and well-executed point to what it was doing, but it was unafraid to revel in the camp sensibility of contemporary action films (by which I mean the 1980's.) The important thing to remember is that it stood up very well to most films of its type. It was funny, smart and well-made. Even the effects were good by the standards of the day.

I suppose it's possible that the new one could accomplish those things, and I may get around to watching it, for the sake of finding out, but I don't think it's very likely.

Well, re-makes not always have to be worse than originals. I'm sure you will enjoy watching Robocop (2014), if you are a fan of sci-fi dramas. The movie will not remind you original Robocop much. More likely it will remind you DE:HR and Ghost in the Shell.

The Robocop remake is a completely different story to the original. If I had to compare it to the original, I'd say it was worse, but I really like the original, so "worse" to me just means "it's less good" but still good. An entertaining B- or C+ maybe. I'll probably watch again in the theater.

The new movie has similar messages to the original, but like a lot of new movies, the slick special effects seem to get in the way sometimes of telling a good story. This story is not as strong as the original in terms of the general commentary on entertainment, capitalism, corporate America, or the potential degredation of where our society is heading - which the original was pretty much in-your-face. Don't expect the subversive, ridiculously violent caricature of the state of entertainment (vis-a-vis the state of movies in late 80s), the hilariously satirical news casts (Pretoria unveils neutron bomb), advertisements ("Big is back" 6000 SUX), or television personalities ("I'd buy that for a dollar!") in this new movie. Replacing these is the blatant message: how much are we willing to give up for security?

The new Robocop film is less focused on society, and more so on the human elements and characters. As such Murphy rather graphically comes face to face with what's left of himself much earlier. This time, his independence is curtailed substantially. Data feeds voyeuristically display his location, what he sees, and even his thoughts back to his handlers who monitor his every move. At one point Murphy is tricked into believing he is in control of the Robocop, when in fact a much more efficient computer program is. The idea that he has become a corporate product, and in some cases is not even aware of it, is much more prominent.

Oh, and I can't forget this difference - there is no one in the new Robocop even close to replacing the Kurtwood Smith's gleefully ultra violent and completely amoral Clarence Boddicker ("can you fly, Bobby?", "you can keep the gum"), or his eclectic band of miscreant thugs.


Of course, the new characters of Gary Oleman's good scientist who slowly compromises his ethics, and Sam Jackson's ridiculously partisan talkshow host, were welcome and entertaining additions.

Pretty much yes, the new Robocop movie is less focused on society, and more so on the human elements and characters. And personally, I don't consider that as disadvantage. Especially, because "less focused" doesn't mean "not focused at all".

New Robocop movie looks more like a constructive discussion about ethics and morality of using advanced robotics and cybernetics, and of course about ethics/morality in general. It contains interesting thoughts about what the future robotics and cybernetics will look like. It compares human and machine with very nice and well thought-out examples, and without insisting on anything... Original Robocop movie looks more like an action placed into instructive, but not very well thought-out environment.

[Ridwan]

So the new RoboCop doesn't have Boddicker. Stupid PG era.

[TheClonesLegacy]

So I finally watched it.
Oh dear lord if I had spent any actual money on that...

[Cainhurst Crow]

It sounds like they took what made robocop a good film, the balance of campy action, acknowledgement of the settings faults and ridiculousness of the sci fi elements, realistic character attitudes in treating robocop as a product more then a person, and a simple story of a man trying to rediscover who he is and bring those responsible to justice, and decided we should just focus on one element in this story at the expense of all the other elements.

Basically taking the fun action commentary equation and removing the "fun" from it so you get a bland, unengaging, and generally unpleasant movie that can't decide if it wants to depress you or dull your brain with violence, while never rewarding you for watching with any entertainment.

[General TSAR]

Seival wrote...
Original Robocop movie looks more like an action placed into instructive, but not very well thought-out environment.

(Facepalm)

Do you not understand the concepts of satire, consumerism, and dystopia?

Modifié par General TSAR, 15 février 2014 - 09:40 .

[mybudgee]

M25105 wrote...

So the new RoboCop doesn't have Boddicker. Stupid PG era.

Good acting doesn't really matter anymore... right guys?

[Obadiah]

mybudgee wrote...

M25105 wrote...

So the new RoboCop doesn't have Boddicker. Stupid PG era.

Good acting doesn't really matter anymore... right guys?

Both movies are pretty well acted. The original Robocop was a low(er) budget sci-fi movie that pulled in some talented performances from lesser known actors. Most of scenes were stolen by the shinanegans of the  coorporate yuppies and Clarence's gang.

Obviously in the new movie Gary Oldman, Sam Jackson, Jackie Earle Haley, and Micheal Keaton put in good character performances, as does Joel Kinnaman, the actor who plays Murphy.

I'm not a huge fan of violence, but the PG era movies are made in now does disturbingly densensitize the impact of on-screen violence. Look what's happened to the Die Hard movies. The original Robocop had a LOT of blood sqibs that go off. Heck, there was a separate dummy created just to depict 10 seconds of Murphy's gruesome death. Interesting fact I just learned - in that execution scene the director was trying to depict Jesus being executed/killed/crucified by Satan.

Modifié par Obadiah, 16 février 2014 - 05:04 .

[mybudgee]

^ Stopped reading at "Gary Oleman"

[AresKeith]

mybudgee wrote...

^ Stopped reading at "Gary Oleman"

You don't like making productive posts, do you?

[mybudgee]

AresKeith wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

^ Stopped reading at "Gary Oleman"

You don't like making productive posts, do you?

You're my hero

[Jorji Costava]

Obadiah wrote...

I'm not a huge fan of violence, but the PG era movies are made in now does disturbingly densensitize the impact of on-screen violence. Look what's happened to the Die Hard movies. The original Robocop had a LOT of blood sqibs that go off. Heck, there was a separate dummy created just to depict 10 seconds of Murphy's gruesome death. Interesting fact I just learned - in that execution scene the director was trying to depict Jesus being executed/killed/crucified by Satan.

The original Robocop had to be cut down in order to avoid an X rating for violence. The over-the-top nature of the violence is part of the whole satire element of the film (one of my favorite moments: After an executive is utterly torn to shreds by the ED-209's guns, someone yells out, "Somebody call a goddamn paramedic!").

Also, Paul Verhoeven apparently thought of the character of Robocop as a sort of American Jesus: that is, Jesus with guns. I know some are probably tired of Christ metaphors popping up in books, movies, etc. (Man of Steel anyone?), but Verhoeven's use of the metaphor is more subversive than most.

[Obadiah]

Seival wrote...
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Pretty much yes, the new Robocop movie is less focused on society, and more so on the human elements and characters. And personally, I don't consider that as disadvantage. Especially, because "less focused" doesn't mean "not focused at all".

New Robocop movie looks more like a constructive discussion about ethics and morality of using advanced robotics and cybernetics, and of course about ethics/morality in general. It contains interesting thoughts about what the future robotics and cybernetics will look like. It compares human and machine with very nice and well thought-out examples, and without insisting on anything... Original Robocop movie looks more like an action placed into instructive, but not very well thought-out environment.

I thought the implications of an AI able to process all of the information available to the police was pretty interesting. The movie could be looked at as commentary on just how much power we're willing to give to the people that protect us.

The new Robocop, able to cross-reference years of past and current closed circuit and security camera feeds with police files, could charge people with crimes and locate them anywhere. Even if targets weren't showing up on some camera, Robocop could use police files to determine known aquaintences, quickly locate and interrogate them, and with new data track down targets. He even used his non-lethal weapons as a threat of torture to gain information. Freed of the human structures of thought, Robocop almost seemed omniscient.

Of course, the powers that be were perfectly happy with Robocop finding violent cimnals on the street, but once the trail of crime lead to corrupt political powers, suddenly Robocop's actions weren't looked on so favorably.

Robocop was also able to pull up live feeds of Murphy's child when he suddenly was interested, which is probably an abuse of power.

Modifié par Obadiah, 16 février 2014 - 07:08 .

[Ridwan]

mybudgee wrote...

M25105 wrote...

So the new RoboCop doesn't have Boddicker. Stupid PG era.

Good acting doesn't really matter anymore... right guys?

Someone here doesn't recognise the genius portrayel of Clarence Boddicker, lol. And then you write about acting.

Modifié par M25105, 16 février 2014 - 11:41 .

[The Night Mammoth]

It's actually pretty easy to imagine what the new Robocop is like, for those who haven't seen it. Just imagine what the old Robocop would have been like if it had none of the subtlety, well rounded characters, or exciting and violent action that made it such a classic.

I wish I could say something good about it. There are some really well made scenes and the beginnings of a much more interesting film in there, but it's just not a very good film, and absolutely not one of the greatest sci fi films ever.