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[spirosz]

You can look at it as a sense of reliability in a sense, since we do involve ourselves in such activities, but yet - I don't slay dragons every time I walk outside my home.



Or do I.

[Arch1eviathan]

It sells.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think it's seen as more taboo and therefore more mature to put sexually explicit content into works, sort of a "We aren't like those other works out there, we aren't afraid to push things to the limit! *douchechills*"

Other times it's just softcore teases in order to hook in pre-teen and teen audiences who think that's actually sexy in their yet-to-be-corrupted sensibilities. Then they'll grow out of it and not even notice it when looking around, being completely desensitized unless it's put out directly in front of them and emphasized, like what these games and books you mentioned do.

So it's to be edgy, to get young people to read it, and to make sure you actually notice as a adult.

[Orian Tabris]

I'm sure you're smarter than as to be far less smart than many BSNers.

People could have different reasons for including sex and nudity in fiction. I'm sure that in most cases, they're used because it does enhance the setting, or does make it more "real."

In the case of Game of Thrones, sex and nudity is no doubt just put in for the hell of it.

I can't really comment on the use of sex scenes in TW, but my guess is it's put there for the hell of it, too.

50 Shades of Grey probably just uses sex for the purposes of fan service for women (and homosexual men?), likely because fanservice for females is so few and far between, when compared with fanservice for males. Although, I'm pretty sure 50 Shades of Grey is purely intended as a pornographic novel.

I'm sure many writers and directors (specifically, for T.V. and movies) relish the chance to put sex in their work, whether as artists are more likely to do it to express themselves or to provide a hidden meaning.

[spirosz]

Also, as we know - sex sells. Look at Ashley's redesign for ME3, not needed, but there because they wanted to make her more "sexy".

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

Also, as we know - sex sells. Look at Ashley's redesign for ME3, not needed, but there because they wanted to make her more "sexy".

Agreed. Even though I picked Kaidan, I wanted to bash my head against the wall when I saw what they did to Ashley. Completely ridiculous.

[Steelcan]

Dobbysaurus wrote...

Boobies

I concur

[Seboist]

spirosz wrote...

Also, as we know - sex sells. Look at Ashley's redesign for ME3, not needed, but there because they wanted to make her more "sexy".

Which they failed at by making her look like a tranny.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The two obvious reasons are titillation and authenticity.

But there can be others. A well-written sex scene can be emotionally powerful (just as a bad one can be unreadable). Vladimir Nabokov famously used an escalating series of sex scenes (which then abruptly end halfway through the book) as a sort of opposite of titillation.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Honestly I don't notice sexualized stuff like ashely's redesign and a lot of fanservice moments in anime and manga unless other people point it out. So having it pretty much spelled out tends to be the only way I pick up on these things.

[Cainhurst Crow]

^ Why even try?

[Addai]

Sex is fun. It's also a part of life, so it should be a part of storytelling, and in adult entertainment it becomes silly and in a way patronizing to have strategically placed hair/ walls/ sheets/ towels/ whatever. Better to play it straight, not exaggerate or exploit but also not shy away from something explicit.

The problem is how to manage the problems of artificiality and tastefulness, and that's true of sex scenes in movies and doubly true in animation where there are so many uncanny valley traps. The question shouldn't be more or less, it should be a question of aesthetics.

This is one reason I take issue with the oft-repeated slam on The Witcher's sex cards. I can see why people are offended at the idea of "collect all 25!" aspect, and at the sheer volume of possibilities, but if you see them as light-hearted and inexpensive stand-ins for what would otherwise be an awkward animation cutscene, then these artistically quite beautiful paintings seem more mature and tasteful to me than a lot of video game sex. Well, okay, some of them like Abigail's are clearly fetish fuel.

[dreamgazer]

SylvuisTheSwag wrote...

I feel I might just derail this thread with interllectual pornographic discourse.

PLEASE DO.

[ClydeInTheShell]

Because medium is believable to every audience.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I hate symbolic pornography myself. Shoving in a message of [insert thing here] raping [insert victim cause here] by making it portrayed as a literal rape just comes off as tasteless and a boner killer.

[HiddenInWar]

Because its kinda unrealistic for every medium to censor said things.

[Br3admax]

Have you seen me? Women wouldn't give this guy the time of day. But I'm every Lady's man in a video game, and that gives me the strength to go on.

[LuckyBullet95]

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable. Starz's Spartacus for example captured a little historical context, sure it had it's fair share "Why did that need to happen?" scenes as far as sex/nudity goes but it did help make the Roman world during the Rebellion become a closer to reality world. As for Mass Effect... In games like this with a huge application to all kinds of real world issues, romance is a prominent fact of life that should be captured for the sake of realism. Sure the sex and/or nudity isn't necessary but provided they aren't Heavy Rain style they aren't particularly disturbing or offensive.

Basically sex/nudity are a by-product of making the world as relatable and realistic as possible (or at least I see it that way, it's possible Starz, George Martin or BioWare see it as fan service). It's not needed for anything to be good but if it's going to be included I'd rather sit through Liaras scenes than that stupid shower scenes... Just don't get me unhooking a virtual bra with a Dualshock 3 controller, that does get a little weird and awkward.