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[Br3admax]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

[LuckyBullet95]

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

No, romance and the visual representation of popular portrayals of culture are relateable. Did you even read passed the first line or are trolls trying out the old fashioned lazy techniques of failing to think of a good response to the person's actual point? I miss BSN old... it was still a ****hole, but at least the judgmental trolls and BSNers were actually creative... And consistant.

[Volus Warlord]

$$

It sells.

People like it. People like it to the point where they will pay for it. That is the point.

[Br3admax]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

No, romance and the visual representation of popular portrayals of culture are relateable. Did you even read passed the first line or are trolls trying out the old fashioned lazy techniques of failing to think of a good response to the person's actual point? I miss BSN old... it was still a ****hole, but at least the judgmental trolls and BSNers were actually creative... And consistant.

Do you know what troll means, friend? First, I've always consistant been opposed to what BioWare calls romance. No, this is real. This isn't some persona I made up to annoy people. This is really me asking how ten seconds of underwear sex somehow relates to real life, or how in real life, the reward for killing the right people is sex? And no relationship is complete without sex? And how in your life, sex is the visual representation of a relationship? If that is actually how your life goes, and I mean that as sincere as I possibly can, I pity you. 

[LuckyBullet95]

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

No, romance and the visual representation of popular portrayals of culture are relateable. Did you even read passed the first line or are trolls trying out the old fashioned lazy techniques of failing to think of a good response to the person's actual point? I miss BSN old... it was still a ****hole, but at least the judgmental trolls and BSNers were actually creative... And consistant.

Do you know what troll means, friend? First, I've always consistant been opposed to what BioWare calls romance. No, this is real. This isn't some persona I made up to annoy people. This is really me asking how ten seconds of underwear sex somehow relates to real life, or how in real life, the reward for killing the right people is sex? And no relationship is complete without sex? And how in your life, sex is the visual representation of a relationship? If that is actually how your life goes, and I mean that as sincere as I possibly can, I pity you. 

Yes I do, but everything in your response (a remark attempting to pull this very conversation, as pointless as it may be into an argument) just screams that you are looking to cause something.

I already said those scenes are awkward. I've always took the stance of either leave it out (as I said it's not actually necceessary) or at least try (though not as hard as Heavy Rain did...) Not that no relationship is complete without it, but sex has become an overindulged novelty, at least in western cultures, and as such has become a key component in most romantic relationships, it's not as necessary as the actual act of perhaps correctly writing and acting out some kind of romantic sub-plot but provided they are done right I don't see why anyone would be offended with the implementation of such optional content especially in a rated M medium, moreso considering the popularity of the activity in the European and American markets that imake up the bulk of BioWare's audience.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Nudity is part of the human condition. I do sometimes feel people make too big a deal out of it though.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

No, romance and the visual representation of popular portrayals of culture are relateable. Did you even read passed the first line or are trolls trying out the old fashioned lazy techniques of failing to think of a good response to the person's actual point? I miss BSN old... it was still a ****hole, but at least the judgmental trolls and BSNers were actually creative... And consistant.

Do you know what troll means, friend? First, I've always consistant been opposed to what BioWare calls romance. No, this is real. This isn't some persona I made up to annoy people. This is really me asking how ten seconds of underwear sex somehow relates to real life, or how in real life, the reward for killing the right people is sex? And no relationship is complete without sex? And how in your life, sex is the visual representation of a relationship? If that is actually how your life goes, and I mean that as sincere as I possibly can, I pity you. 

HEY! My space waifu is srs bsns.

[Br3admax]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

To me I quite honestly just find it to be a way to make a world more relateable.

Clothed dry humping is relateable to you? You have my sympathies. 

No, romance and the visual representation of popular portrayals of culture are relateable. Did you even read passed the first line or are trolls trying out the old fashioned lazy techniques of failing to think of a good response to the person's actual point? I miss BSN old... it was still a ****hole, but at least the judgmental trolls and BSNers were actually creative... And consistant.

Do you know what troll means, friend? First, I've always consistant been opposed to what BioWare calls romance. No, this is real. This isn't some persona I made up to annoy people. This is really me asking how ten seconds of underwear sex somehow relates to real life, or how in real life, the reward for killing the right people is sex? And no relationship is complete without sex? And how in your life, sex is the visual representation of a relationship? If that is actually how your life goes, and I mean that as sincere as I possibly can, I pity you. 

Yes I do, but everything in your response (a remark attempting to pull this very conversation, as pointless as it may be into an argument) just screams that you are looking to cause something.

Nope, romance really is just that stupid and has no point. I don't see why anyone would want to relate to it.

I already said those scenes are awkward. I've always took the stance of either leave it out (as I said it's not actually necceessary) or at least try (though not as hard as Heavy Rain did...) Not that no relationship is complete without it, but sex has become an overindulged novelty, at least in western cultures,

Western cultures don't say that sex has a novelty to anyone. What does that even mean. Sex is as unoriginal as the human race. More so, actually.

and as such has become a key component in most romantic relationships,

The consumer seeing sex in romantic relationships, especially as a reward at the end of them is not a key component. That sounds like an awful way to live, in any culture.

it's not as necessary as the actual act of perhaps correctly writing and acting out some kind of romantic sub-plot but provided they are done right I don't see why anyone would be offended with the implementation of such optional content especially in a rated M medium, moreso considering the popularity of the activity in the European and American markets that imake up the bulk of BioWare's audience.

It's an insult to relationships everywhere. It being awkward is not the problem. It being pointless, untasteful, and degrading is. Finally, being rated M is't the free pass to put in boobies for boobies, and it certainly doesn't make the title somehow arise beyond faults in its expression of nudity or sex. And I always like the "it's optional so it's okay for it to be crap," excuse. Doing the romance is optional. Liking the romance is optional. Watching the scene is optional. How does any of that stop us from criticizing it?

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 février 2014 - 01:25 .

[iOnlySignIn]

The same point as the rest of that medium.

[spirosz]

I think Bread, you're looking too much into the visual aspect of those scenes, the undewear and all that such, sure - it's laughable, but it's the intent behind it that makes it relateable, especially if those two characters express themselves in a way that you, the player can personally or emotionally identify themselves with, which in turn - helps finding meaning to those scenes so they don't feel "pointless".

[LuckyBullet95]

I didn't say don't criticise. I said since it's optional I see no reason for you to go this far off the handle about it. You seem quite clearly irked by the notion that someone might interpret fan service scenes for having a point beyond... well... fan service.

By novelty I meant, we overindulge it for pleasure and, more likely, something to actually do. Sex outside of some less individualistic culutres has long since passed being used for reproduction. It is a novelty, a luxury that is abused in relationships. I'm not saying the mechanic is "I did a nice thing, to the bed we go!" I'm just saying that, during most relationships, unless your morals or your family's morals dictate that you will wait until after marriage, there is a high likelihood that you will consummate the relationship through the use of recreational sex. There's no problem with that, it's a common thing and through that commonality, has meaning (lewd as it may be) to the target audience. (For some reason I don't think Mass Effect: Next or Dragon Age: Inquisition will sell better in Japan or India than they will in England the US or Canada).

As for Rated M being a free pass, I never said it was, just saying that, when you buy a Rated M game that specifies that it has partial nudity, you should probably not buy it if you have an issue with partial nudity...

Then again this is a little moralistic. If adult themes in media weren't such a controversial then Mass Effect 1 wouldn't have been ignorantly scrutinised as a sex simulator (yes that actually happened) and we wouldn't be having this conversation over 15 years after such themes were introduced to video games.. It's unlikely either of us will understand let alone accept the other's viewpoint to there's little point in continuing this argument. Congratulations on causing that by the way.

[AresKeith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Nudity is part of the human condition. I do sometimes feel people make too big a deal out of it though.

They showed boobs

*flips table*

[slimgrin]

It's a part of life, so it's valid material for any medium to explore. Simple as that.

[Isichar]

slimgrin wrote...

It's a part of life, so it's valid material for any medium to explore. Simple as that.

I have to agree, it really is that simple. If we started questioning mature themes on an individual basis we would lose shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones which are amazing stories. Theres honestly is no valid reason why it should not be allowed in any kind of storytelling medium (fictional at least) aimed towards adults and something like drugs or violence should be. 

Modifié par Isichar, 14 février 2014 - 02:06 .

[spirosz]

^

[Br3admax]

spirosz wrote...

I think Bread, you're looking too much into the visual aspect of those scenes, the undewear and all that such, sure - it's laughable, but it's the intent behind it that makes it relateable,

I don't like the scenes in general. I've expressed that plenty of times. I also don't like how they are thrown in as that, "You've finally done right," scene. The underwear comments were me poking fun at one of many stupid things that make up a BioWaremance

especially if those two characters express themselves in a way that you, the player can personally or emotionally identify themselves with,

It's great that you can, I however cannot identify with lowgrade characters who show the slightest bits of affection towards each other. Saying, "Come sleep with me now," doesn't change the fact that the rest of the "romance" is laughable, the wooing is cheesy, and overall it's a D+ for effort. They could have easily done better.

which in turn - helps finding meaning to those scenes so they don't feel "pointless".

The scense aren't the only thing that's pointless. The way the romance plots unfold make them, the romances, pointless. If my life pans out like a BioWare romance, I'll go celibate. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 février 2014 - 02:03 .

[dreamgazer]

What's the point of depicting laughter in any medium?

It's arguably more indulgent than sex and nudity, since sex can actually have reproductive purposes.

[Mr.House]

Sex and nudity is part of life, very simple. If you're a prude then go away.

[mybudgee]

Sexuality is a part of the human experience, whether you & your pastor like it or not

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

Sex and nudity is part of life, very simple. If you're a prude then go away.

I don't have a problem with sex, nudity, or the like; I have a problem with how romance is presented in pretty much every BioWare game I've ever played. 

[spirosz]

Br3ad wrote...
The scense aren't the only thing that's pointless. The way the romance plots unfold make them, the romances, pointless. If my life pans out like a BioWare romance, I'll go celibate. 

But what do you expect to do under restraints of gameplay and in terms of story telling pacing, if it was like life, shit, then games have gotten pretty complicated where I probably wouldn't want those in there at all, ha.  Personally though, none of the romances really hit me in Dragon Age, compared to Jack or Bioware's older title involving Bastila in KOTOR, which worked tremendously because it was tied into the story plot, which I believe they should do more often or not have romances at all.  But again, as you know - I find that it helps create a more personal story for me, however silly it tends to unfold in terms of, talk to her three times and "romance" scene formula they tend to stick by.  I tend to look past that, since it doesn't bug me. 

[Mr.House]

Br3ad wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sex and nudity is part of life, very simple. If you're a prude then go away.

I don't have a problem with sex, nudity, or the like; I have a problem with how romance is presented in pretty much every BioWare game I've ever played. 

But the thread is about the whole meduim, not just Bioware games.

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sex and nudity is part of life, very simple. If you're a prude then go away.

I don't have a problem with sex, nudity, or the like; I have a problem with how romance is presented in pretty much every BioWare game I've ever played. 

But the thread is about the whole meduim, not just Bioware games.

I
I understand, I could also talke about RtH:R, if you'd prefer a even bigger extreme of why most video game romance are awful int ehir presentation. I'm just more knowledgeable with BioWare in this aspect of gaming. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 février 2014 - 02:16 .