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[Steelcan]

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

What can't fans learn their lesson here......just because a character says something, does NOT make it established lore.

And really, I find it more to be a problem with the citadel DLC, not the comic. Why? Because there is no way Miranda would not know of the clone if the clone was needed in the Lazarus Project to maybe replace Shepard's organs.

However, in the context that the clone was out, now, that would make more sense.

So Miranda lied to Shepard for no reason in ME3?

so in the context...she is supposed to know the clone is out?

Paraphrased

Shepard says "Hey about this Cerberus Clone, you know about this?"

Miranda says "I didn't know about this, I was tasked to bring YOU back, not a clone wannabe"

Miranda "I also didn't even notice that Brooks character, never paide her much attention"


this is a retcon of the events as established by Miranda in the Citadel DLC, drone and fanboy all you want it doesn't change anything

[Seboist]

Mesina2 wrote...

OK, who the hell buys this comics?

Cause this is just horrible.

People who want more colorful toilet paper.

[txgoldrush]

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

Can you cover up please, your drone is showing

Have you got it through your head that Brooks is the protagonist of Foundation?

I think everyone knows, but your attitude isn't helping your case.

If you know, then why whine about too much Cerberus on everything? The protagonist is a Cerberus agent, so logically, it revolves around Cerberus.

[Lawrence0294]

txgoldrush wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

As far as i remember, Ashley, Wrex or Kaidan weren't dossiers in ME2.

But the next characters covered are.

So ?

The issue here is that Bioware places Cerberus, Brooks and Kai Leng in almost all your previous squadmates background story, and thats one hell of a coincidence that just seems ridiculous and convenient.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

What can't fans learn their lesson here......just because a character says something, does NOT make it established lore.

And really, I find it more to be a problem with the citadel DLC, not the comic. Why? Because there is no way Miranda would not know of the clone if the clone was needed in the Lazarus Project to maybe replace Shepard's organs.

However, in the context that the clone was out, now, that would make more sense.

So Miranda lied to Shepard for no reason in ME3?

so in the context...she is supposed to know the clone is out?

Paraphrased

Shepard says "Hey about this Cerberus Clone, you know about this?"

Miranda says "I didn't know about this, I was tasked to bring YOU back, not a clone wannabe"

Miranda "I also didn't even notice that Brooks character, never paide her much attention"


this is a retcon of the events as established by Miranda in the Citadel DLC, drone and fanboy all you want it doesn't change anything

You're wrong, Steelcan. You're confused.

[txgoldrush]

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

What can't fans learn their lesson here......just because a character says something, does NOT make it established lore.

And really, I find it more to be a problem with the citadel DLC, not the comic. Why? Because there is no way Miranda would not know of the clone if the clone was needed in the Lazarus Project to maybe replace Shepard's organs.

However, in the context that the clone was out, now, that would make more sense.

So Miranda lied to Shepard for no reason in ME3?

so in the context...she is supposed to know the clone is out?

Paraphrased

Shepard says "Hey about this Cerberus Clone, you know about this?"

Miranda says "I didn't know about this, I was tasked to bring YOU back, not a clone wannabe"

Miranda "I also didn't even notice that Brooks character, never paide her much attention"


this is a retcon of the events as established by Miranda in the Citadel DLC, drone and fanboy all you want it doesn't change anything

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

[Steelcan]

txgoldrush wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

Can you cover up please, your drone is showing

Have you got it through your head that Brooks is the protagonist of Foundation?

I think everyone knows, but your attitude isn't helping your case.

If you know, then why whine about too much Cerberus on everything? The protagonist is a Cerberus agent, so logically, it revolves around Cerberus.

Why does Cerberus have to be involved in everything they make the Illuminati look like hermits by comparison

[dreamgazer]

wright1978 wrote...

So is Miranda lying to Brooks that it is a clone when in fact it is the real Shep. Because the alternate explanation that they are making ME3 Miranda a liar would annoy me intensely and dislike the silly clone plot of citadel even more.

Too bold and simple of a contradiction to dismiss as a "continuity error", methinks, especially with Brooks standing there. Looks like she knew, unless page 7 and onward reveals something else.

[txgoldrush]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

As far as i remember, Ashley, Wrex or Kaidan weren't dossiers in ME2.

But the next characters covered are.

So ?

The issue here is that Bioware places Cerberus, Brooks and Kai Leng in almost all your previous squadmates background story, and thats one hell of a coincidence that just seems ridiculous and convenient.

They are not really in Kaiden's, and they cross paths briefly with Wrex. However, the ME2 squadmates, it shows why they choose them as dossiers.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2014 - 07:46 .

[Steelcan]

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

What can't fans learn their lesson here......just because a character says something, does NOT make it established lore.

And really, I find it more to be a problem with the citadel DLC, not the comic. Why? Because there is no way Miranda would not know of the clone if the clone was needed in the Lazarus Project to maybe replace Shepard's organs.

However, in the context that the clone was out, now, that would make more sense.

So Miranda lied to Shepard for no reason in ME3?

so in the context...she is supposed to know the clone is out?

Paraphrased

Shepard says "Hey about this Cerberus Clone, you know about this?"

Miranda says "I didn't know about this, I was tasked to bring YOU back, not a clone wannabe"

Miranda "I also didn't even notice that Brooks character, never paide her much attention"


this is a retcon of the events as established by Miranda in the Citadel DLC, drone and fanboy all you want it doesn't change anything

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

Because he was extraneous, a back up plan, not the focus, and Citadel was canon first, this is a r-e-t-c-o-n

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

How is it a mistake of the DLC if the comic wasn't even created at that point?

Try harder

[GreyLycanTrope]

Another minor inconsistency to poke fun at?

[AresKeith]

Fishstick wrote...

I wasn't whining. Where was I whining?

I'm o.k. with Cerberus being in there because of Brooks. The problem with this series is the shear amount of retcons that are present.

According to Tx, if you don't agree you're a whiner and a hater

[Cainhurst Crow]

Comics don't seem to be biowares foray, though truth be told, I can't name a single comic book series that's supposed to tie into existing medias, be it movies, books, games, whatever have you, that have ever managed to keep continuity with their respected series in question.

Best examples would be star wars comics from the 70's and 80's and how they blatantly didn't give a crap about canon or continuity, let alone character consistency.

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

I wasn't whining. Where was I whining?

I'm o.k. with Cerberus being in there because of Brooks. The problem with this series is the shear amount of retcons that are present.

According to Tx, if you don't agree you're a whiner and a hater

According to the haters, everything about ME3 and Mac Walters sucks. That's whats on this board.

[This is the End My Friend]

This thread is good times.

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

How is it a mistake of the DLC if the comic wasn't even created at that point?

Try harder

so its not a "plot hole" in the dlc?

Once again...

how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Its simple logic.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2014 - 07:49 .

[dreamgazer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Comics don't seem to be biowares foray, though truth be told, I can't name a single comic book series that's supposed to tie into existing medias, be it movies, books, games, whatever have you, that have ever managed to keep continuity with their respected series in question.

Best examples would be star wars comics from the 70's and 80's and how they blatantly didn't give a crap about canon or continuity, let alone character consistency.

One crucual difference there: the lead writer of the source material is also writing the comics. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

How is it a mistake of the DLC if the comic wasn't even created at that point?

Try harder

so its not a "plot hole" in the dlc?

Once again...

how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Its simple logic.

I ctrl+F'ed to see if anyone actually used to word "plot hole" or "plothole" prior your statement.
0 results.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Did someone just say haters?

[txgoldrush]

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

I wasn't whining. Where was I whining?

I'm o.k. with Cerberus being in there because of Brooks. The problem with this series is the shear amount of retcons that are present.

According to Tx, if you don't agree you're a whiner and a hater

According to the haters, everything about ME3 and Mac Walters sucks. That's whats on this board.

I guess I'm not a hater then, because I don't everything about ME3, but I am not so jaded as to ignore its flaws.

It has flaws, but I am not going to ignore writer intention and try to judge the game on MY vision of it instead of the writers.

And I am far from a drone...I think old Bioware formula is flawed and quite bad.

[txgoldrush]

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

How is it a mistake of the DLC if the comic wasn't even created at that point?

Try harder

so its not a "plot hole" in the dlc?

Once again...

how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Its simple logic.

Because Mac didn't write the comic until almost a year latter. Seriously, we can argue from in lore but out of lore it's the writers fault for not keeping his notes in order.

so the comic coming a year later means Miranda not knowing about the clone used in her project in the DLC is less illogical?

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2014 - 07:55 .

[Guanxii]

txgoldrush wrote...
They are not really in Kaiden's, and they cross paths briefly with Wrex. However, the ME2 squadmates, it shows why they choose them as dossiers.

As somebody who has read all of the foundation comics i presume would you recommend any of them [after 3]? Do they get any better [subject matter, themes, drawing, writing, etc.]?

I still think Garrus's homeworld comic is the series highpoint being by FAR the best Mass Effect comic by a long shot.

Modifié par Guanxii, 14 février 2014 - 08:01 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

dreamgazer wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Comics don't seem to be biowares foray, though truth be told, I can't name a single comic book series that's supposed to tie into existing medias, be it movies, books, games, whatever have you, that have ever managed to keep continuity with their respected series in question.

Best examples would be star wars comics from the 70's and 80's and how they blatantly didn't give a crap about canon or continuity, let alone character consistency.

One crucual difference there: the lead writer of the source material is also writing the comics. 

I don't really see it as a difference. It's not like George lucas wasn't alive and able to be contacted when these comics were being made. And do we actually have, like, proof that walters is actually writing these. I imagine it more goes like this,

Walters: Okay writing team, I want this, this, and this plot point to happen this issue. Make it happen.
Writing team 1: Okay...so how are we supposed to have Miranda and Brooks talking about shepard?
Writing team 2: I guess it's suppose to make them seem different, I guess? How about talking while shepard's being cloned?
Writing team 1: That could work. Give the art team a good visual to draw.
Writing team 3: Didn't Miranda not know about shepard clone?
Writing team 2: *shrugs* No idea. What color is asari blood again?
Writing team 3: Don't know...I wanna say...magenta?
Writing team 1: Sure, why not?

[txgoldrush]

Guanxii wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
They are not really in Kaiden's, and they cross paths briefly with Wrex. However, the ME2 squadmates, it shows why they choose them as dossiers.

As somebody who has read all of the foundation comics i presume would you recommend any of them [after 3]? Do they get any better [subject matter, themes, drawing, writing, etc.]?

They are hit and miss...they are too different from eachother to judge if they are getting better.