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[AresKeith]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Comics don't seem to be biowares foray, though truth be told, I can't name a single comic book series that's supposed to tie into existing medias, be it movies, books, games, whatever have you, that have ever managed to keep continuity with their respected series in question.

Best examples would be star wars comics from the 70's and 80's and how they blatantly didn't give a crap about canon or continuity, let alone character consistency.

One crucual difference there: the lead writer of the source material is also writing the comics. 

I don't really see it as a difference. It's not like George lucas wasn't alive and able to be contacted when these comics were being made. And do we actually have, like, proof that walters is actually writing these. I imagine it more goes like this,

Walters: Okay writing team, I want this, this, and this plot point to happen this issue. Make it happen.
Writing team 1: Okay...so how are we supposed to have Miranda and Brooks talking about shepard?
Writing team 2: I guess it's suppose to make them seem different, I guess? How about talking while shepard's being cloned?
Writing team 1: That could work. Give the art team a good visual to draw.
Writing team 3: Didn't Miranda not know about shepard clone?
Writing team 2: *shrugs* No idea. What color is asari blood again?
Writing team 3: Don't know...I wanna say...magenta?
Writing team 1: Sure, why not?

The comics literally say

"Writer: Mac Walters"

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

To talk about the comic.

By all that is holy, the cover for this issue is just terrible. It looks like something a thanemancer would draw for their "cure Thane" campaign pre-ME3.

[Cainhurst Crow]

txgoldrush wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

I wasn't whining. Where was I whining?

I'm o.k. with Cerberus being in there because of Brooks. The problem with this series is the shear amount of retcons that are present.

According to Tx, if you don't agree you're a whiner and a hater

According to the haters, everything about ME3 and Mac Walters sucks. That's whats on this board.

I guess I'm not a hater then, because I don't everything about ME3, but I am not so jaded as to ignore its flaws.

It has flaws, but I am not going to ignore writer intention and try to judge the game on MY vision of it instead of the writers.

And I am far from a drone...I think old Bioware formula is flawed and quite bad.

Uh you kinda are a drone, seeing as how you said you'll never use your own opinion or your own sensory information to judge things on for yourself.

And I like ME3, even with it's poorly done ending.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 14 février 2014 - 07:59 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

AresKeith wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Comics don't seem to be biowares foray, though truth be told, I can't name a single comic book series that's supposed to tie into existing medias, be it movies, books, games, whatever have you, that have ever managed to keep continuity with their respected series in question.

Best examples would be star wars comics from the 70's and 80's and how they blatantly didn't give a crap about canon or continuity, let alone character consistency.

One crucual difference there: the lead writer of the source material is also writing the comics. 

I don't really see it as a difference. It's not like George lucas wasn't alive and able to be contacted when these comics were being made. And do we actually have, like, proof that walters is actually writing these. I imagine it more goes like this,

Walters: Okay writing team, I want this, this, and this plot point to happen this issue. Make it happen.
Writing team 1: Okay...so how are we supposed to have Miranda and Brooks talking about shepard?
Writing team 2: I guess it's suppose to make them seem different, I guess? How about talking while shepard's being cloned?
Writing team 1: That could work. Give the art team a good visual to draw.
Writing team 3: Didn't Miranda not know about shepard clone?
Writing team 2: *shrugs* No idea. What color is asari blood again?
Writing team 3: Don't know...I wanna say...magenta?
Writing team 1: Sure, why not?

The comics literally say

"Writer: Mac Walters"

Don't care. I got my theory. And I'm sticking to it.

#MacWaltersWritingTeam #NotesR4√

[txgoldrush]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

I wasn't whining. Where was I whining?

I'm o.k. with Cerberus being in there because of Brooks. The problem with this series is the shear amount of retcons that are present.

According to Tx, if you don't agree you're a whiner and a hater

According to the haters, everything about ME3 and Mac Walters sucks. That's whats on this board.

I guess I'm not a hater then, because I don't everything about ME3, but I am not so jaded as to ignore its flaws.

It has flaws, but I am not going to ignore writer intention and try to judge the game on MY vision of it instead of the writers.

And I am far from a drone...I think old Bioware formula is flawed and quite bad.

Uh you kinda are a drone, seeing as how you said you'll never use your own opinion or your own sensory information to judge things on for yourself.

And I like ME3, even with it's poorly done ending.

when did I say that? You just make it up.

Sorry but critique is about how well the writer portrays his vision, NOT how well the writer portrays your vision.

Too many bashers fall into that trap.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

[txgoldrush]

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Fishstick wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Then tell me, how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Is it a mistake of the comic OR of the Citadel DLC?

Its the Citadel DLC.

How is it a mistake of the DLC if the comic wasn't even created at that point?

Try harder

so its not a "plot hole" in the dlc?

Once again...

how does a director for the project to bring back Shepard NOT know of his clone, especially if he is needed for the project?

Its simple logic.

Because Mac didn't write the comic until almost a year latter. Seriously, we can argue from in lore but out of lore it's the writers fault for not keeping his notes in order.

so the comic coming a year later means Miranda not knowing about the clone used in her project in the DLC is less illogical?

It's still the writers fault.

Yes it is.....but where is the writer's fault....Is it the comic or the DLC?

It was in the DLC.

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

[wright1978]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

That's clearly what Mac's going for if there isn't a twist on the preview material in the full comic.
I think it is an utterly scummy retcon to make.

[txgoldrush]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Characters do not always tell the truth, their info is not always established lore.

For example

Obi Won: Vader betrayed and murdered your father.

Vader: No Luke, I'm your father.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 février 2014 - 08:07 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass. And I hate to say it but it's the way people are in real life.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 14 février 2014 - 08:08 .

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Characters do not always tell the truth, they are not always established lore.

For example

Obi Won: Vader betrayed and murdered your father.

Vader: No Luke, I'm your father.

Miranda has no reason to lie to Shepard at that point

Obi Wan did

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass.

So bad writing?

Modifié par AresKeith, 14 février 2014 - 08:08 .

[TuringPoint]

I believe that is a clone, which is to be the failed experiment which Brooks saves and nurtures. The clone they made in case they were unable to revive Shepard with his memories intact.  

In which case, it doesn't conflict with Citadel as canon at all.

Also, this is the middle of the series, so who knows what mission they were on.  You'd probably have to read #7.

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 février 2014 - 08:10 .

[cohina]

txgoldrush wrote...

Sorry but critique is about how well the writer portrays his vision, NOT how well the writer portrays your vision.

Too many bashers fall into that trap.

So if someone criticizes the story for not being coherent they just don't get what the writer's intentions where? I admire your logic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

txgoldrush wrote...
Characters do not always tell the truth, they are not always established lore.

For example

Obi Won: Vader betrayed and murdered your father.

Vader: No Luke, I'm your father.

Not the best example. Certian point of view etc.

[wright1978]

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

No reason at all. No doubt Mac is just wants to lay the boot in for kicks.

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass.

So bad writing?

"Bad writing" would actually come into play with Miranda not knowing about the clone. 

[GrizzlyBear83]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass. And I hate to say it but it's the way people are in real life.

What if Liara lied to Shep? Or the dextros?

[TuringPoint]

No, if someone critiques the writers because the critic refuses to use logic, that's not on the writers.

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 février 2014 - 08:11 .

[AresKeith]

Fishstick wrote...

O.k. at this point the argument is going around in circles. All your saying is "I'm right, your wrong, the end".

the goldrush argument, along with "you just don't get it"

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

GrizzlyBear83 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass. And I hate to say it but it's the way people are in real life.

What if Liara lied to Shep? Or the dextros?

That would be up to the writers. Enjoy. We femSheps had Jacob cheat.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 14 février 2014 - 08:12 .

[wright1978]

GrizzlyBear83 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass. And I hate to say it but it's the way people are in real life.

What if Liara lied to Shep? Or the dextros?

Liara's Mac's waifu. He'd never have her do that.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Occam's Razor: Miranda was lying to Shepard.

Why would she at that point?

To cover her ass.

So bad writing?

"Bad writing" would actually come into play with Miranda not knowing about the clone. 

Either way really

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We femSheps had Jacob cheat.

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
To cover her ass. And I hate to say it but it's the way people are in real life.

That doesn't quite fit. She fessed up to wanting a control chip but not the clone? Besides she wasn't involved in the Clone fiasco to begin with so there's nothing she needs to dodge blame for.