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[spirosz]

Tx on that good stuff, foshin' I say, cheerio. "Just because a character says something, doesn't make it established lore" - my sides.

Jack, I was used and tortured by Cerberus


- wait, nope, not true, nope, not at all.

Modifié par spirosz, 14 février 2014 - 09:04 .

[Han Shot First]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

[TuringPoint]

Rasa sounds like a call sign. As in Tabula Rasa. A little contrived, that, and weird that Miranda didn't recognize her as a threat, if that was her call sign.

Just seems like mediocre writing.  

Not that this is good writing, but good writing doesn't always go with good storytelling, but it probably should.  Creativity doesn't require intellectual consistency.  Editing or producing should take care of that, but you can't make a compelling story with editing skills.  I know, sounds cheap, but it's true.

Since the BG days Bioware had miserable editing, even consistent grammatical errors, assuming Canadian grammar isn't different somehow.

Modifié par Alocormin, 14 février 2014 - 09:11 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

Of all the things Miranda could lie about. She lies about the clone? Why? What does she have to feel bad about exactly? And why would lie about the clone when she was so honest about the control chip in ME2 and how bad she really felt about it in 3?

I can believe a character lying, but not in this case.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 février 2014 - 09:11 .

[Br3admax]

Alocormin wrote...

Rasa sounds like a call sign. As in Tabula Rasa. A little contrived, that, and weird that Miranda didn't recognize her as a threat, if that was her call sign.

That is probably the least threatening callsign ever. Being called scrap isn't threatening. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 14 février 2014 - 09:12 .

[Lawrence0294]

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Lizard, I don't think they'll develop the kind of depth they'll need in a comic. That's novel stuff.

[spirosz]

^graphic novel material.

[Saberchic]

iakus wrote...

Expecting even basic continuity from Mass Effect is, like trying to reason with the Catalyst, an exercise in futility.

So true, and yet, I still expect it anyway.

[Nole]

It must be really nice to get paid for writing fanfiction.

[wright1978]

Lizardviking wrote...

Of all the things Miranda could lie about. She lies about the clone? Why? What does she have to feel bad about exactly? And why would lie about the clone when she was so honest about the control chip in ME2 and how bad she really felt about it in 3?

That's the thing. I can understand her need to apologise to chip even if i think there's zero need to. Testing Lazarus treatments on a clone specimen is a nothing and there's zero reason to lie when asked a direct question about it. So it just strikes me as a pure retcon because Mac feels he wants to be creative outside of the events of ME3 trilogy.

[Fixers0]

Are really around there that take these comics seriously?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Lizard, I don't think they'll develop the kind of depth they'll need in a comic. That's novel stuff.

Then they shouldn't have created the issue by having the revelation that the character lied in the first place! <_<

Note that I am not angry with you, just Bioware's seemingly continued incompetence.

[Han Shot First]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

[wright1978]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

Yep i can ignore the ending. Doesn't mean i want more turd content dropped in from on high.

[Philosophaster]

@ Han Shot First:

Do comics supersede the games in terms of canon? For example, this comic would cause problems with the start of ME2 in that it has the Lazarus Project situated on Minuteman Station when that was the facility you visit after the tutorial stage. The other issue is do you place higher emphasis on Mac Walters scripting these comics by himself as opposed to the collaborative effort he put into the games with the other writers? I am not trying to bash Mac Walters, it just seems that he has had issues keeping track of the lore as presented in the games. 

Edit: Grammar

Modifié par inconsiderate rick, 14 février 2014 - 10:05 .

[jtav]

I feel justified in ignoring the comics. The narration also mixes up Lazarus and Minuteman Station." Citadel is also of extremely debatable canon status. So we're arguing about a third rate comic contradicting a joke fanservice DLC?

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

I feel justified in ignoring the comics. The narration also mixes up Lazarus and Minuteman Station." Citadel is also of extremely debatable canon status. So we're arguing about a third rate comic contradicting a joke fanservice DLC?

I thought all DLC's were canon

[Dr_Extrem]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

if that is true, miranda got "wilsoned" ...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

wright1978 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Of all the things Miranda could lie about. She lies about the clone? Why? What does she have to feel bad about exactly? And why would lie about the clone when she was so honest about the control chip in ME2 and how bad she really felt about it in 3?

That's the thing. I can understand her need to apologise to chip even if i think there's zero need to. Testing Lazarus treatments on a clone specimen is a nothing and there's zero reason to lie when asked a direct question about it. So it just strikes me as a pure retcon because Mac feels he wants to be creative outside of the events of ME3 trilogy.

Indeed. This is completely out of character for Miranda, and it more or less undoes much of her characterization about trust from Shepard. This is pretty much unbelievable, and if it was intentional, it's unacceptable. Not that it is objectively the case, but from these comics and games and such, I really do get the feeling that Mac doesn't approve of Miranda especially or the Miranda/Shepard relationship.

I'm going to file these comics into the 'Deception' territory.

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

jtav wrote...

I feel justified in ignoring the comics. The narration also mixes up Lazarus and Minuteman Station." Citadel is also of extremely debatable canon status. So we're arguing about a third rate comic contradicting a joke fanservice DLC?

I thought all DLC's were canon

They are.

[Lawrence0294]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

Deception was also supposed to be canon, so was the anime and all of them had many plot holes.
So did the comic with Ashley, with Kaidan etc
So i don't think disregarding the comics as non canon really counts as head canon.

[weedyfun]

von uber wrote...

These comics are bleedin awful (what I have seen).
The Simpsons sum it up nicely:

www.youtube.com/watch

haha yep.

more holes in the plot than a homeless person's shoes.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

Does that mean that Deception is canon too? Even with the plotholes that only Dr. Who could solve? And I'm not talking about the lore inconsistencies here (in which case if they aren't inconsistencies with the lore, they're inconsistencies with Miranda and her character in ME3, unless Mac really wants to make it clear he doesn't like Miranda and people who romance her need to know specifically that they chose poorly/falsely in an LI), I'm talking about the physically impossible changes, like Gillian Grayson turning from 12 to 18 in the span of 3 years, or somehow completely overcoming her autism, or her handler suddenly becoming heterosexual, or Volus not being in a pressure suit and not melting/exploding.