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[CroGamer002]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm going to file these comics into the 'Deception' territory.

Oh come on, Deception is so bad it's hilarious!

This comics lack any sort of entrainment.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

As far as i remember, Ashley, Wrex or Kaidan weren't dossiers in ME2.

I think the point is to show how Cerberus was present behind the scenes of major events in ME(1) instead of just cloning rachni, impaling people, Thorian Creepers, enemies everywhere, go go go...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm still going with a possible reboot attempt. Too many discrepancies to think he's just being disrespectful and careless.

Someone is setting themself up for disappointment...

[Han Shot First]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

What happened behind the scenes: Mac Walters likely forgot about that dialogue in the Citadel DLC. Oops.

What it now means: Miranda is a liar, who even keeps Shepard in the dark if the two are in a relationship.

I was married to a guy like this. So, this wouldn't surpise me one bit.

Sorry to hear that. It certainly isn't unrealistic. But it kind of sucks for the players who had Miranda as their Shep's LI.

They've just been Jacob'd.

I doubt anyone really takes the comics seriously anymore. 

They are still part of the canon regardless of whether people choose to ignore them. Events from previous comics have been mentioned in the games, for example.

People can ignore the comics, but in doing so they're venturing into head canon territory.

Deception was also supposed to be canon, so was the anime and all of them had many plot holes.
So did the comic with Ashley, with Kaidan etc
So i don't think disregarding the comics as non canon really counts as head canon.

Of the Mass Effect EU I think only Deception's canonicity is in question, because Bioware and the publisher apologized for it and initially promised a rewrite. That rewrite is no longer going to happen, but since the people responsible for it had initially promised one that may render it non-canon.

The rest however is certainly canon. There is nothing to suggest otherwise. As I mentioned, events from the comics or books are mentioned in some of the games. They exist in the same continuity.

I think there can be a legitimate debate on the hierarchy of canon, and whether content in the games supersedes content from books or comics when there is a contradiction. But claiming that all content from the books or comics 'didn't happen' is firmly in the realm of fan head canon. The creators of the Mass Effect universe intend for the book and comic content be part of the same continuity and part of the official canon. The same holds true for DLC content.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 février 2014 - 09:51 .

[wright1978]

Mesina2 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'm going to file these comics into the 'Deception' territory.

Oh come on, Deception is so bad it's hilarious!

This comics lack any sort of entrainment.

Yeah there's a distinct lack of cereal entertainment.

[Philosophaster]

StreetMagic wrote...

inconsiderate rick wrote...

@ Han Shot First:

Do comics supersede the games in terms of canon? For example this comic would cause problems with the start of ME2 in that it has the Lazarus Project situated on Minuteman Station when that was the facility you visit after the tutorial stage. The other issue is do you place higher emphasis on Mac Walters scripting these comics by himself as opposed to the collaborative effort he put into the games with the other writers? I am not trying to bash Mac Walters, it just seems that he has had issues keep tracking of the lore as presented in the games. 

What I heard is that he consulted the main writers for some characters. Since he didn't write Mordin or Kasumi, he got Weekes help probably. And for Homeworlds, Weekes is directly credited for Tali (and Dombrow for Garrus.. even though he's originally Mac's character, I guess Dombrow was still worth consulting).

Thanks for replying; I had read that before somewhere. This is what Mac Walters said in an interview about a year ago:

"The challenge for me is that this is the first series that I am scripting all myself as well. While I have scripted some of the shorter ones before -- I scripted the first one in "Homeworlds" -- it's not more work because I don't have to review my own work, which is nice, as opposed to somebody coming in and scripting it, I have to review it and back-and-forth."

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=44019

That being said, plans change as I had read that he isn't scripting the last three issues or something to that effect.

Modifié par inconsiderate rick, 14 février 2014 - 09:59 .

[MegaIllusiveMan]

JasonShepard wrote...

... Are we supposed to know what mission it is that Leng and Brooks are returning from?

I think it was the one to apreehend Jack

[CroGamer002]

One thing I like about this preview.

Lack of Thane.

It's only a good thing, despite him on cover.

Poor guy doesn't need more terrible content.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

Bought Foundation 1, 2 (Wrex), 3 (Ashley) and was so disappointed with walter's decision to retcon cerberus into every single character's backstory (this guy is singlehandedly driving this series off a cliff) I disavowed foundations as bad fanfiction and generall hackery. One comic about Brookes and a cameo from kai leng is enough.... jesus h christ.

I can't wait to see how cerberus killed Thane's wife or sabotaged the genophage again (mordin) or some other such nonsense.

You are not getting it.

First off, Cerberus is only the observer to the character stories, however, foundation is going to explain why these characters are dossiers in ME2. So Cerberus is needed.

As far as i remember, Ashley, Wrex or Kaidan weren't dossiers in ME2.

I think the point is to show how Cerberus was present behind the scenes of major events in ME(1) instead of just cloning rachni, impaling people, Thorian Creepers, enemies everywhere, go go go...

yeah .. and how it was not just a renegade/rogue alliance navy black ops team.

what they are trying to do is simple ... reverse implementation of reasons/logic ... but sadly, it contradicts established/former lore.

turning cerberus into this big shadow organisation felt strange but possible in me2 ... in me3 however, they overdid it ... just like many other things.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 14 février 2014 - 10:06 .

[OdanUrr]

Mass Effect Foundation.

Rewriting the lore one comic at a time.

<_<

[Lawrence0294]

Mesina2 wrote...

One thing I like about this preview.

Lack of Thane.

It's only a good thing, despite him on cover.

Poor guy doesn't need more terrible content.

Rofl you're right, thats actually quite odd.

[Dr_Extrem]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

One thing I like about this preview.

Lack of Thane.

It's only a good thing, despite him on cover.

Poor guy doesn't need more terrible content.

Rofl you're right, thats actually quite odd.

its only a matter of time ...

its a bad sign if people are glad their favourate characters do NOT get attention.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 14 février 2014 - 10:28 .

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

I just think that Mac Walters, as much as his choices sometimes annoy me, actually likes Mass Effect (in totality). That he's not being disrespectful.. I think he has a hard time saying goodbye to those characters like any fan. It was his idea to come up with the Citadel party, for example, and his idea to make the comics.

I have tried to spread the blame evenly for the failures of Mass Effect. But the more I read these works and the interviews, the more It seems to be more accurate to say he likes his own personal vision of Mass Effect.  There is simply no place for anyone else's interpretation, vision, or choice.  Be it writer or fan.  Anything that goes against it gets ignored or rewritten.

That's how we get Space Illuminati, among other things

[wright1978]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

One thing I like about this preview.

Lack of Thane.

It's only a good thing, despite him on cover.

Poor guy doesn't need more terrible content.

Rofl you're right, thats actually quite odd.

Lucky B*****d Thane.

[wright1978]

iakus wrote...

I have tried to spread the blame evenly for the failures of Mass Effect. But the more I read these works and the interviews, the more It seems to be more accurate to say he likes his own personal vision of Mass Effect.  There is simply no place for anyone else's interpretation, vision, or choice.  Be it writer or fan.  Anything that goes against it gets ignored or rewritten.

That's how we get Space Illuminati, among other things

Yep i'd agree i think that he's not someone who at his core believes in the value of player choice.

[Dr_Extrem]

wright1978 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have tried to spread the blame evenly for the failures of Mass Effect. But the more I read these works and the interviews, the more It seems to be more accurate to say he likes his own personal vision of Mass Effect.  There is simply no place for anyone else's interpretation, vision, or choice.  Be it writer or fan.  Anything that goes against it gets ignored or rewritten.

That's how we get Space Illuminati, among other things

Yep i'd agree i think that he's not someone who at his core believes in the value of player choice.

yeah -... i guess it is really hard work to write characters for different "treatments" ... garrus can react in different ways - depending on how you treat him in me1 and 2 ... but you know this at the beginning of a project where the player can choose different paths.

[Seboist]

StreetMagic wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

iakus wrote...

I have tried to spread the blame evenly for the failures of Mass Effect. But the more I read these works and the interviews, the more It seems to be more accurate to say he likes his own personal vision of Mass Effect.  There is simply no place for anyone else's interpretation, vision, or choice.  Be it writer or fan.  Anything that goes against it gets ignored or rewritten.

That's how we get Space Illuminati, among other things

Yep i'd agree i think that he's not someone who at his core believes in the value of player choice.

I don't think that's true. For example, I remember reading an interview where he mentioned variations, and used Wrex as an example. Someone came to him with a story idea, and he said "That's great... if you have Wrex. Make it just as compelling without Wrex."

Although at times it seems like he's just as influenced by a more cinematic take on things. Typical of JRPGs. Rather than PnP influences.

Speaking of which, everything about Liara seems JRPG-ish to me. Not sure how much he has to do with it though.

Drew was the one behind ME1 Liara, which is the incarnation most like the typical virginal animu schoolgirl.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think right now the comics are supposed to "fill in the gaps" we haven't seen in the lore, and they're coming as a surprise to everyone. Granted he's making this up as he goes along, but the stories haven't been done, and there are huge gaps. Different writer with a different vision, and player choices don't get reflected in comics or novels. Only the writer's vision does.

[Dubozz]

Mac Walters strikes again!

[SpamBot2000]

Well, looks like I got censored. Bummer, I now have to compromise my artistic integrity by rephrasing. So let's do this in a constructive manner then.

I think it might be perceived as less of a massively disrespectful gesture towards the games and the players if the writer of this fab comic book didn't cast a central character in the story in a totally different light in an extraneous side merch deal like this one, or neglect to check how the story goes in the principal medium that he takes the credit for right there on the cover of this product, whichever of these two possible explanations is applicable. Just a suggestion, BioWar!

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 14 février 2014 - 11:33 .

[Stalker]

Oh well, here's the next kick in the guts.

With every Foundation comic I am reminded of my fear about the next Mass Effect game. At this point it wouldn't even surprise me if it's going to revolve around Cerberus in some way, featuring a reanimated Leng as the main villain.