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[Han Shot First]

After the Deception debacle and the recent Homeworld comic where your lead writer can't even keep his own story straight, perhaps its time to appoint someone in charge of all things quality control concerning the lore? Maybe Mass Effect needs its own equivalent of Leeland Chee?

If someone is already filling that role, its well past time that they get replaced by someone more competent. Because if there is someone supposed to be fact-checking and keeping the lore consistent, they've been utterly failing.

Some continuity errors are so forth are to be expected in a series that spans multiple games and tens of thousands of lines of dialogue, but you're flubbing some very basic stuff. Its not just obscure lines of dialogue that are being forgotten.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Bioware has no lore master.

Bioware needs no lore master.

[Han Shot First]

Lizardviking wrote...


Bioware needs no lore master.

Why is that?

Surely some consistency and continuity in the stories they are trying to tell is important.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 février 2014 - 08:47 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...


Bioware needs no lore master.

Why is that?

Surely some consistency and continuity in the stories they are trying to tell is important.

You are aware that I was just trolling right?

"EDIT"

But yes, I agree with you in honesty. Bioware really needs a loremaster.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 février 2014 - 08:49 .

[AresKeith]

That's why I'm hoping Chee doesn't let Disney axe the entire Star Wars EU

[Han Shot First]

AresKeith wrote...

That's why I'm hoping Chee doesn't let Disney axe the entire Star Wars EU

I don't think he is going to have much of a choice in the matter. The Star Wars sequel films are going to require that most of the post-ROTJ EU either gets rewritten or tossed out. It is going to greatly alter the post-ROTJ canon.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 février 2014 - 08:54 .

[AresKeith]

Han Shot First wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

That's why I'm hoping Chee doesn't let Disney axe the entire Star Wars EU

I don't think he is going to have much of a choice in the matter. The Star Wars sequel films are going to require that most of the post-ROTJ EU either gets rewritten or tossed out. It is going to greatly alter the post-ROTJ canon.

Then what's the point of making a committee about that then?

[Han Shot First]

AresKeith wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

That's why I'm hoping Chee doesn't let Disney axe the entire Star Wars EU

I don't think he is going to have much of a choice in the matter. The Star Wars sequel films are going to require that most of the post-ROTJ EU either gets rewritten or tossed out. It is going to greatly alter the post-ROTJ canon.

Then what's the point of making a committee about that then?

Films have always been the highest level of canon in the Star Wars continuity, so the EU is going to have to adapt to the new Star Wars films. Of course what impact the films are going to have on the post-RoTJ EU at this point is just speculation, because the plot isn't known yet.

On that note I think Mass Effect should follow a similar hierarchy. The games should be the highest level of canon followed by books, comics, and *gasp* Twitter.

[cap and gown]

Besides making the lore consistent, dialogue needs to be made consistent, and science believable. For instance, TIM telling Shep that he dropped some "carefully disguised rumors that Shep might be alive and working for Cerberus." Um, exactly why did you need to do that? I just met with Anderson on the Citadel. Everyone in the galaxy knows Shep is alive and working for Cerberus, TIM! Or claiming that fertile Krogan can have 1000 babies a year (in itself an absurdity for a sentient species) and then having dialogue by some Krogan about having "a" son. "A" son? Dude, if you got together with a fertile female you would have had hundreds of sons and hundreds of daughters.

[AresKeith]

I think the problem was that the books and comics were constantly written by different people, and that's where Leeland Chee comes in

There should be a loremaster to look over those projects to make sure they atleast stay consistent with the lore

[spirosz]

I honestly think they either don't remember or lore and consistency doesn't matter to them.

[DextroDNA]

cap and gown wrote...

Besides making the lore consistent, dialogue needs to be made consistent, and science believable. For instance, TIM telling Shep that he dropped some "carefully disguised rumors that Shep might be alive and working for Cerberus." Um, exactly why did you need to do that? I just met with Anderson on the Citadel. Everyone in the galaxy knows Shep is alive and working for Cerberus, TIM! Or claiming that fertile Krogan can have 1000 babies a year (in itself an absurdity for a sentient species) and then having dialogue by some Krogan about having "a" son. "A" son? Dude, if you got together with a fertile female you would have had hundreds of sons and hundreds of daughters.

"make science believable"? This is SCI-FI. Not SCI-NON-FI.

Nobody knew Shepard was alive and working with Cerberus until TIM let it slip, so there's that.

I can't deny, 1000 babies a year does sound unreasonable but could probably be explained. And did you just forget the whole Genophage thing? He was lucky to have a child at all!

Methinks someone either doesn't know their ME, is retarded, or both.

[Saberchic]

/signed

They continually violate their own lore. It's frustrating at times, and I think having one person help maintain the integrity of the ME universe or even DA universe would be money well spent.

[cap and gown]

RussianZombeh wrote...

cap and gown wrote...

Besides making the lore consistent, dialogue needs to be made consistent, and science believable. For instance, TIM telling Shep that he dropped some "carefully disguised rumors that Shep might be alive and working for Cerberus." Um, exactly why did you need to do that? I just met with Anderson on the Citadel. Everyone in the galaxy knows Shep is alive and working for Cerberus, TIM! Or claiming that fertile Krogan can have 1000 babies a year (in itself an absurdity for a sentient species) and then having dialogue by some Krogan about having "a" son. "A" son? Dude, if you got together with a fertile female you would have had hundreds of sons and hundreds of daughters.

"make science believable"? This is SCI-FI. Not SCI-NON-FI.

Nobody knew Shepard was alive and working with Cerberus until TIM let it slip, so there's that.

I can't deny, 1000 babies a year does sound unreasonable but could probably be explained. And did you just forget the whole Genophage thing? He was lucky to have a child at all!

Methinks someone either doesn't know their ME, is retarded, or both.

You obviously don't know the lore. The genophage made 1 in 1000 Krogan female fertile. A fertile female can still have 1000 babies.

[RangerSG]

Saberchic wrote...

/signed

They continually violate their own lore. It's frustrating at times, and I think having one person help maintain the integrity of the ME universe or even DA universe would be money well spent.

Agreed. 

On the subject of the Star Wars EU, I'm hoping they keep the Zahn books as canon. That is, if they're not simply adapting it, because...Thrawn. 

The rest, outside of most of Stackpole's stories, and especially anything having to do with a certain Mandalore-loving author, can be tossed without any feeling of loss on my account.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Foundation. Please update the OP. I got confused by it.

Meanwhile, I'm reading... I'll tell you what I think soon

Edit: What the **** is this ****?

Next they'll tell me that Deception is cannon and ME3 is set on a parallel universe.

Modifié par MegaIllusiveMan, 14 février 2014 - 09:42 .

[Dr_Extrem]

well .. this demand comes a little late ... like ... 5 years-late.

[Lawrence0294]

[Steelcan]

I nominate myself

[Sebby]

Inconsistency has been a core feature of the franchise since ME2.

Though break OP.

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

Inconsistency has been a core feature of the franchise since ME2.

Hell, ME1 couldn't even keep its own lore about relays consistent.

[SlottsMachine]

spirosz wrote...

I honestly think they either don't remember or lore and consistency doesn't matter to them.

A little of both. 

[Dr_Extrem]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Inconsistency has been a core feature of the franchise since ME2.

Hell, ME1 couldn't even keep its own lore about relays consistent.

please .. can you elaborate on that? ..

mass effect one had its flaws but i did not notice something game/imersion breaking.


but you have to agree ... mass effect went down the rabbit hole with me2 ... all in all, me1 was largely intact.

[dreamgazer]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

please .. can you elaborate on that? ..

mass effect one had its flaws but i did not notice something game/imersion breaking.

The conduit, a prototype relay turned glorified teleportation device, contradicts the ways they operate.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

BW wants my constructive opinion?

Here you go (in my opinion):

Fire Mac Walters. This is not meant or aimed as an insult. I seriously mean this. Get rid of him. He's your problem. Simply put. At the very least, he needs to be removed from his position.

And some advice to BW: Learn to take criticism. Not the country-club or modern HR ideal of sugaring over things like they seem to want, out of fear of hurt feelings or political correct or whatever. Simply put, learn to deal with hurt feelings (this can be a lesson for everyone). It's nothing personal. But your stuff is quite frankly bad. Objectively bad. One of the few objectively bad things that can be said with any criticism: You don't keep your stories straight. You change it to suit your desires based on what you alone want the story to be, existing canon be damned. And it frankly equals material that I can't give any real positive criticism or feedback for beyond "it sucks. Change it, burn it, or rewrite it".