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[cap and gown]

Shep put the moves on Samara in ME2. Eventually I want to hook up with Traynor in ME3, but before doing so I read on the wiki that during Samara's meet-up in the apartment Shep can kiss her if s/he pursued her in ME2. I have a few questions about that.

1) I assume this does not lock in Samara and I can still shower with Traynor?

2) Does locking in Traynor before the meet-up cause the scene to play out without the possibility of a kiss? (i.e. as it would with a non-"romanced" Samara?)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

1: Yes.

2: Yes, if Shepard is already "locked-in" with a romance then only the friendship path with Samara is available.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I'm not exactly sure about Samara, but my ME2 Jacob romancing FemShep managed to go lech on Vega at the party and the Jacob encounter played out like Shepard remained loyal.

I think the Citadel romances are on a different tracker than the main game ones.

[cap and gown]

Thanks for the replies. I decided to just say screw it and youtube the scene. I'd rather have my paragon interrupt with Traynor when boarding the Normandy than get a kiss from a character I don't really care much about (although she does make a good squad mate).

Modifié par cap and gown, 14 février 2014 - 08:53 .

[congokong]

Why choose Samara over Liara? I'm not being critical. I'm just curious. She's 10 times Liara's age, is only loyal to her code, acts like a robot, and has been around the block if you get my meaning.

[Iakus]

congokong wrote...

Why choose Samara over Liara? I'm not being critical. I'm just curious. She's 10 times Liara's age, is only loyal to her code, acts like a robot, and has been around the block if you get my meaning.

She also walks around unzipped practically to the navel

Reason enough right there, I guess

[cap and gown]

congokong wrote...

Why choose Samara over Liara? I'm not being critical. I'm just curious. She's 10 times Liara's age, is only loyal to her code, acts like a robot, and has been around the block if you get my meaning.

When you have played the game as many times as I have, you do things just to see different scenarios play out. That is why I have romanced Liara, Traynor, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Tali, Thane, and Kaiden (ME1). (Still not ready do a male-male romance though.)

[SwobyJ]

I can see a potential Shepard of mine being very attached to Samara and highly respectful of what she stands for.

[katamuro]

SwobyJ wrote...

I can see a potential Shepard of mine being very attached to Samara and highly respectful of what she stands for.

That, her maturity, and she seems to be very much alive. Plus whatever model provided the face for her made her gorgeous. Plus after a half a dozen playthroughs you just start doing all kinds of **** just to see whats there.

[congokong]

I actually was annoyed with Samara in ME3 because she chose to follow her code by committing suicide and abandon the galaxy in their struggle against the reapers. She either should have killed her daughter or broke her code so she could fight the reapers.

It reminds me a little of A Song of Ice and Fire (or Game of Thrones on HBO) for any who've read the books. Jaime Lannister was put in position where he had to either follow his code/oath to protect the king or abandon it to stop his king from burning alive half a million people in King's Landing. He chose the latter; a decision I agree with. Samara in that position would have chosen the former and I don't like that.

[katamuro]

congokong wrote...

I actually was annoyed with Samara in ME3 because she chose to follow her code by committing suicide and abandon the galaxy in their struggle against the reapers. She either should have killed her daughter or broke her code so she could fight the reapers.

It reminds me a little of A Song of Ice and Fire (or Game of Thrones on HBO) for any who've read the books. Jaime Lannister was put in position where he had to either follow his code/oath to protect the king or abandon it to stop his king from burning alive half a million people in King's Landing. He chose the latter; a decision I agree with. Samara in that position would have chosen the former and I don't like that.

You can actually prevent that from happening you know. She did not have to do that. You just missed an opportunity probably.

[congokong]

katamuro wrote...

congokong wrote...

I actually was annoyed with Samara in ME3 because she chose to follow her code by committing suicide and abandon the galaxy in their struggle against the reapers. She either should have killed her daughter or broke her code so she could fight the reapers.

It reminds me a little of A Song of Ice and Fire (or Game of Thrones on HBO) for any who've read the books. Jaime Lannister was put in position where he had to either follow his code/oath to protect the king or abandon it to stop his king from burning alive half a million people in King's Landing. He chose the latter; a decision I agree with. Samara in that position would have chosen the former and I don't like that.

You can actually prevent that from happening you know. She did not have to do that. You just missed an opportunity probably.

The fact that she attempted to kill herself is what bothers me.

[Excella Gionne]

Samara cannot be unofficially romanced by a Renegade Shepard in ME2.

[AlexMBrennan]

You can actually prevent that from happening you know. She did not have to do that. You just missed an opportunity probably.

Thing is though that this shows that she is an utterly hypocrite - when it comes down to it (killing her daughter), Samara doesn't actually believe that her code is worth following but was merely a convenient excuse for her murders.

[congokong]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Samara cannot be unofficially romanced by a Renegade Shepard in ME2.

That also bothers me. She's very hypocritical. Samara herself is quite renegade. Samara kills people she witnesses committing crimes. An asari on Illium stated she'd have to kill someone who tried to bribe her. Very renegade. And unlike Shepard, she doesn't have any legal authority validating her license to kill. She claimed my Shepard did things that would require her to attack (being renegade) if not sworn to Shepard yet my Shepard never did anything truly unjust so what is she talking about?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ya, I think Samara suffers as a character because the Justicar code seems to change or include random tenets that have no coherence every other time it is brought up. I like the idea of the Code but I think it often fails in execution because it is not consistent. Samara's character which is influenced by the Code sinks with it. Otherwise I think she's a cool character with interesting stories/history.

I also find it odd that the Justicar code is associated with a Paragon mentality. The Code like Shepard generally strives to be 'good'. But many of the tenets have a rather Renegade flavor, like executing not arresting criminals on the spot. It's definitely Paragade (Renegon?).

[Han Shot First]

congokong wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Samara cannot be unofficially romanced by a Renegade Shepard in ME2.

That also bothers me. She's very hypocritical. Samara herself is quite renegade. Samara kills people she witnesses committing crimes. An asari on Illium stated she'd have to kill someone who tried to bribe her. Very renegade. And unlike Shepard, she doesn't have any legal authority validating her license to kill. She claimed my Shepard did things that would require her to attack (being renegade) if not sworn to Shepard yet my Shepard never did anything truly unjust so what is she talking about?

The bolded bit isn't quite true. Justicars do have legal authority to be judge, jury, and executioner on Asari worlds.

[BurningBlood]

In the ambient conversations during the party in Anderson's apartment she mentions how she sometimes misses her maiden years - "century after century of casual sex." She's nearly 1000 years old so her maiden years were several centuries ago. I'm not sure how long she's been a Justicar, but it's been a long time, and the "near-miss-romance" conversation you have in ME2 strongly implies that she hasn't been with anyone since becoming a Justicar. The Code itself is incredibly demanding - she must be a very focused, passionate and driven person to hold to it. So she's very experienced, passionate, and had a very long dry spell. Can you imagine being the one to uncork the genie in that bottle?

FYI, her "face model" is Rana McAnear. You can check out her modelmayhem profile, #1049977.

[Ajensis]

congokong wrote...
The fact that she attempted to kill herself is what bothers me.

I think it worked well. Samara's dedication to the Code is paramount to her character, but here she shows her 'human' side by choosing to kill herself instead of her daughter. She simply can't endure the death of her last daughter, yet she cannot abandon the Code either. I think it's pretty well-written.
You say she should've killed her daughter or broken the Code to fight the Reapers, but that's really not who Samara is. She doesn't think like you do and the Reaper war isn't more important than remaining faithful to the Justicar Code, which is such an essential part of who she is. Her only choice was to shoot Falere (or is it the other one? Can't remember) or herself, and I think it speaks volumes of how deeply affected she's been by the death of Morinth and... Rila? Her two other daughters, anyway. It's an excellent combination with her passive demeanour, showing that she isn't a robot beneath the exterior after all.
That's just my take on it, anyway.

[Reorte]

Ajensis wrote...

congokong wrote...
The fact that she attempted to kill herself is what bothers me.

I think it worked well. Samara's dedication to the Code is paramount to her character, but here she shows her 'human' side by choosing to kill herself instead of her daughter. She simply can't endure the death of her last daughter, yet she cannot abandon the Code either. I think it's pretty well-written.
You say she should've killed her daughter or broken the Code to fight the Reapers, but that's really not who Samara is. She doesn't think like you do and the Reaper war isn't more important than remaining faithful to the Justicar Code, which is such an essential part of who she is. Her only choice was to shoot Falere (or is it the other one? Can't remember) or herself, and I think it speaks volumes of how deeply affected she's been by the death of Morinth and... Rila? Her two other daughters, anyway. It's an excellent combination with her passive demeanour, showing that she isn't a robot beneath the exterior after all.
That's just my take on it, anyway.

I agree with that take, she's wound up in a completely impossible situation whilst presumably already being rather badly emotionally affected by one of her daughters dying just before and seeing no alternative to killing her remaining one. Even the most disciplined mind is going to be in a bit of a state by then (unless they're psychopathic too). Back in ME2 when she was talking about the code it sounded like it had the potential to destroy her.

As for Samara instead of Liara, I like Samara. She's about the only asari who seems to carry any dignity, even with that ridiculous cleavage strawberry outfit.

[von uber]

I wish aethyta had had more of a bigger role. Hell, imagine if you could get her to be a counsellor.

[shodiswe]

von uber wrote...

I wish aethyta had had more of a bigger role. Hell, imagine if you could get her to be a counsellor.

A headbutting Asari?

It's good that she would have dedicated more money on military expenditures and preparations... Though it's uncertain if she would have exhausted those forces before the deployment of the Crusible... Which could have been bad.

I guess it depends how smart she is beyond the headbutting and wantign to strengthen the Asari military capabilities.

[von uber]

shodiswe wrote...

A headbutting Asari?

It's good that she would have dedicated more money on military expenditures and preparations... Though it's uncertain if she would have exhausted those forces before the deployment of the Crusible... Which could have been bad.

I guess it depends how smart she is beyond the headbutting and wantign to strengthen the Asari military capabilities.

Not just that - trying to get them to actually be more productive rather than just working as strippers when they are young, investigate the mass relays and see what they can research off theiur own rather than relying on the tech etc.
A lot of aspects of the Asari would be fundamentally different if she was in charge I suspect..

[congokong]

Ajensis wrote...

congokong wrote...
The fact that she attempted to kill herself is what bothers me.

I think it worked well. Samara's dedication to the Code is paramount to her character, but here she shows her 'human' side by choosing to kill herself instead of her daughter. She simply can't endure the death of her last daughter, yet she cannot abandon the Code either. I think it's pretty well-written.
You say she should've killed her daughter or broken the Code to fight the Reapers, but that's really not who Samara is. She doesn't think like you do and the Reaper war isn't more important than remaining faithful to the Justicar Code, which is such an essential part of who she is. Her only choice was to shoot Falere (or is it the other one? Can't remember) or herself, and I think it speaks volumes of how deeply affected she's been by the death of Morinth and... Rila? Her two other daughters, anyway. It's an excellent combination with her passive demeanour, showing that she isn't a robot beneath the exterior after all.
That's just my take on it, anyway.

So basically not tainting her honor is more important than saving the galaxy and you're ok with that? As Javik said, given the stakes of the reaper war honor is something you can't hold onto; realistically at least. Shepard learns this. Sacrificing the council to focus on Sovereign. Keeping the collector base because at the time it offered the only chance to combatting the reapers. Sacrificing 300,000 batarians just to slow the reapers down. Sabotaging the genophage cure to get salarian support; a decision that makes a lot of sense if Wreav is in charge despite being treacherous. And of course the ending...  Yes, some of those choices were optional but if this were real they'd likely be the right choice given the circumstances.

What Samara was doing was selfish.

Modifié par congokong, 15 février 2014 - 04:03 .

[congokong]

Han Shot First wrote...

congokong wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Samara cannot be unofficially romanced by a Renegade Shepard in ME2.

That also bothers me. She's very hypocritical. Samara herself is quite renegade. Samara kills people she witnesses committing crimes. An asari on Illium stated she'd have to kill someone who tried to bribe her. Very renegade. And unlike Shepard, she doesn't have any legal authority validating her license to kill. She claimed my Shepard did things that would require her to attack (being renegade) if not sworn to Shepard yet my Shepard never did anything truly unjust so what is she talking about?

The bolded bit isn't quite true. Justicars do have legal authority to be judge, jury, and executioner on Asari worlds.

I don't think they do. In Samara's dossier quest in ME2 you can ask an asari about who governs justicars and she explains no one does. They just follow their code and asari respect it enough to look the other way. Justicars have no legal standing in asari government. It sounds like a real potential mess ripe for exploitation honestly.