The anulling of Kirkwall was long overdue but i grant steel this.
They shouldn't have been put torch at that moment, they should have been put torch Years before the champion even showed up; That many blood mages, that much corruption just doesn't steep out of the stonework.
Note that majority of the maleficar were actually not even a part of the Circle. Most were apostates or slavers.
None, because the Right is inherently illegitimate.
How so? Its a power granted to the Templars by all three parties when the need for it within the circle was established.
Note it occurred a century after the formation of the circle.
Tbh, there shouldn't have been a working Circle in Kirkwall anyways. Veil was waaay too thin, and the history of the city... Bad idea is... Bad.
There have been many, many more 'bad' mages then there has been Templars.
Every last templar who's participated in an Annulment. Every last templar who's participated in Tranquility. Every last templar who's participated in murdering apostates.
Like templars and the Chantry, laws can be unmade.
So irrelevant its not even funny
The law states that Templars have the authorization to use the Right of Annulment, therefore it is not illegitimate, it may be unjust and cruel and blah blah blah but that's another story.
Indeed. It's beaten in by the mailed fist of the templars. Although blood magic isn't inherently evil anyway.
Like templars and the Chantry, laws can be unmade.
Can you honestly blame Quentin's insanity on the Templars? Orsino cooperating with him on the Templars? Mage greed, Mage Ambition, Not fear, Not oppression, Plain old corruption.
And Evil is Evil.
Can you honestly blame Quentin's insanity on the Templars? Orsino cooperating with him on the Templars? Mage greed, Mage Ambition, Not fear, Not oppression, Plain old corruption.
And Evil is Evil.
The former, I don't know, because we don't know his life story. Orsino, definitely; he did so only to keep the templars from retaliating against the Circle.
Every last templar who's participated in an Annulment. Every last templar who's participated in Tranquility. Every last templar who's participated in murdering apostates.
How is participating in an Annulment 'bad'? The Annulment in Origins, for example. That was perfectly justified. Uldred was all loco demon-man and the Circle was full of maleficar and demons n' stuff. How were those Templars ( if the RoA happened) 'bad'?
I do give you the Templars who participate in Tranquility, though. I may like Templars, but Tranquility is wrong imo.
How is participating in an Annulment 'bad'? The Annulment in Origins, for example. That was perfectly justified. Uldred was all loco demon-man and the Circle was full of maleficar and demons n' stuff. How were those Templars ( if the RoA happened) 'bad'?
I do give you the Templars who participate in Tranquility, though. I may like Templars, but Tranquility is wrong imo.
The Annulment is genocide. If all you kill is demons, that's fine, but that also wouldn't logically need a special right; as such, it'd involve murdering innocent mages and as such would be genocide, as it's an attempt to annihilate a specific biological subgroup (mages) within a specific nation (Ferelden).
The former, I don't know, because we don't know his life story. Orsino, definitely; he did so only to keep the templars from retaliating against the Circle.
As much as I wanted to slap Orsino, I agree. He did that because he was cornered by the Templars. The Circle took no part in blowing up the Chantry, why should every Mage be punished for one apostate?
The Annulment is genocide. If all you kill is demons, that's fine, but that also wouldn't logically need a special right; as such, it'd involve murdering innocent mages and as such would be genocide, as it's an attempt to annihilate a specific biological subgroup (mages) within a specific nation (Ferelden).
Yes the templars should go through the process of removing the demons without harm to the mages...... except they'd need mages to do that.... Which seems counter-intuitive
The former, I don't know, because we don't know his life story. Orsino, definitely; he did so only to keep the templars from retaliating against the Circle.
Only because he allowed that nut to operate with his sick magic experiments in the first place :/
Your back tracking Xil.
He only hid his involvement because he allowed it continue until that ****er was finally killed.
Mage internment is a necessary evil, unless non-mages gain greater magical resistance.
We must increase the dwarf population and have all-dwarf templar units across Thedas.
As much as I wanted to slap Orsino, I agree. He did that because he was cornered by the Templars. The Circle took no part in blowing up the Chantry, why should every Mage be punished for one apostate?
The Circle could have probably been legitimately annulled long before that, all those blood mages in Kirkwall have to be coming from somewhere
Yes the templars should go through the process of removing the demons without harm to the mages...... except they'd need mages to do that.... Which seems counter-intuitive
Wait, do you mean they'd need Mages in order to kill demons?
The Circle could have probably been legitimately annulled long before that, all those blood mages in Kirkwall have to be coming from somewhere
I agree on the latter, but I don't think the Circle? Was Quentin a part of the circle? (I'm not using him as an example, I just can't remember)
Wait, do you mean they'd need Mages in order to kill demons?
I think he means to kill the demons possessing the mages without harming the mages, which can only be done by going into the Fade.
As much as I wanted to slap Orsino, I agree. He did that because he was cornered by the Templars. The Circle took no part in blowing up the Chantry, why should every Mage be punished for one apostate?
Do you not recall his note to him in his lair?
Stating how amazed he was with his experiments?
He was supporting an insane apostate with research materials and when he died, he covered up his involvement.
His reasons for this are debatable, the actions themselves aren't.
My point is; That circle was corrupt to its upper most echelons.
Needed to burn a long time before it did.
Wait, do you mean they'd need Mages in order to kill demons?
In order to remove the demons from the mages without killing them they'd need to enter the fade, which they would need mages for
The Annulment is genocide. If all you kill is demons, that's fine, but that also wouldn't logically need a special right; as such, it'd involve murdering innocent mages and as such would be genocide, as it's an attempt to annihilate a specific biological subgroup (mages) within a specific nation (Ferelden).
If they don't kill the mages, there's a possibility a maleficar or something equally as dangerous could escape, and give the Templars another reason for a RoA. There's no way to know for sure if the mages are truly innocent, or just hiding involvement.
Yes the templars should go through the process of removing the demons without harm to the mages...... except they'd need mages to do that.... Which seems counter-intuitive
Tell me, when has demonic possession ever been subtle? Demons aren't human, have no experience with being human, and have never seemed to be very good at acting like humans.
Only because he allowed that nut to operate with his sick magic experiments in the first place :/
Your back tracking Xil.
He only hid his involvement because he allowed it continue until that ****er was finally killed.
Well, firstly, Quentin came from Starkhaven to do his experiments in Kirkwall, as can be revealed by reading the letters in the DuPuis mansion. And after he did start, Orsino was already screwed.
If they don't kill the mages, there's a possibility a maleficar or something equally as dangerous could escape, and give the Templars another reason for a RoA. There's no way to know for sure if the mages are truly innocent, or just hiding involvement.
That's why you investigate and don't just slaughter.
Tell me, when has demonic possession ever been subtle? Demons aren't human, have no experience with being human, and have never seemed to be very good at acting like humans.
Well, firstly, Quentin came from Starkhaven to do his experiments in Kirkwall, as can be revealed by reading the letters in the DuPuis mansion. And after he did start, Orsino was already screwed.
That's why you investigate and don't just slaughter.
Really? You don't think Meredith would have jumped for Joy if she could have nailed the kirkwall killer to her wall?
Note this is before she acquired the Lyrium idol, If anything it would have improved relations with the circle.
Certainly more then seeking out the Killer, admiring his works like art and then giving him the materials to create an abomination :/
Tell me, when has demonic possession ever been subtle? Demons aren't human, have no experience with being human, and have never seemed to be very good at acting like humans.
I agree, abominations zerg rushing the templars and unpossessed mages is not subtle at all.
Really? You don't think Meredith would have jumped for Joy if she could have nailed the kirkwall killer to her wall?
Oh, she would have. Then nailed the rest of the Circle to the wall for blood magic connections.
Note this is before she acquired the Lyrium idol, If anything it would have improved relations with the circle.
The idol hardly changed her behavior at all.
Certainly more then seeking out the Killer, admiring his works like art and then giving him the materials to create an abomination :/
Which didn't happen. Orsino specifically says that he ended his collaboration with Quentin long ago and that he'd turned too evil. I don't think Orsino even actively concealed Quentin, he just didn't tell Meredith about him.
I agree, abominations zerg rushing the templars and unpossessed mages is not subtle at all.
Indeed. So once that's done and those abominations have been beaten, you're probably safe.
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