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[KainD]

 

 

All references we have to the past are of the system working and the fact that the mages themselves talk about things being even good until recently can't be dismissed just because it doesn't agree with your demagoguery beliefs and message.  The system wouldn't have worked as well as it has with as few issues as it has had if things were as bad as has been recently presented.  I don't say this as anti mage, I make the same statements to them when they are talking like asshats because they don't like that the facts and all relative presentation of information doesn't agree with the particular message they want.

 

 

 

 

Hey, how long did slavery last in our world? 

[dragonflight288]

Hey, how long did slavery last in our world? 

 

Freedom is actually a relatively new thing, and there are still some countries in the world that practice slavery. 

 

Tens of thousands of years is the current number. 

[durasteel]

Hey, how long did slavery last in our world? 

 

I'll let you know, if it ever ends.

[dragonflight288]

And yet, the entire Circle of Magi deserved to get slaughtered based on one apostates actions? This is where I get confused by the logic of the Templar Order.

 

No one has ever addressed this issue yet. Quentin is used as an example of why free mages are a danger, but no one talks about the incompetence of the templars and the city guard when it came to investigating him, or the apparent lack of willingness to look.

[KainD]

Freedom is actually a relatively new thing, and there are still some countries in the world that practice slavery. 

 

Tens of thousands of years is the current number. 

 

I'll let you know, if it ever ends.

 

Which means slavery is good right? Because it's a system that worked fine for a long time. 

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Which means slavery is good right? Because it's a system that worked fine for a long time. 

No, just means it's.. effective. It's horrible.

[durasteel]

Which means slavery is good right? Because it's a system that worked fine for a long time. 

 

Nothing I ever said or implied. I loathe the idea of slavery, and I dislike the idea of a Circle of Magi controlled by the Chantry according to dogma, fear, and ignorance.

[dragonflight288]

Which means slavery is good right? Because it's a system that worked fine for a long time. 

 

I'm sure the slaves are enjoying being considered the property of others and aren't treated as people with emotions.

 

Now, I swear that there are a few groups like that in Dragon Age who are outside of Tevinter....hmm.

 

Ah yes.

 

Cullen: Mages are weapons. They can't be treated as people. They aren't like you and me.

 

and

 

Vaughn: These knife-ears sometimes get it in their heads that they are people. You need to put them back into their place. 

[Divine Justinia V]

No, just means it's.. effective. It's horrible.

So it's safe to say the Cirle of Magi may be "effective" but it can be, in fact, horrible.

[Jigglypuff]

Go mages! rah! rah! rah!

[Steelcan]

To be completely honest mages aren't like you and me, to treat them the same as regular people is a disservice to both. 

[durasteel]

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Vaughn: These knife-ears sometimes get it in their heads that they are people. You need to put them back into their place. 

 

You say blood magic is bad, but damned if some people don't deserve to be mind controlled and made to go try to fornicate a bereskarn.

[KainD]

So it's safe to say the Cirle of Magi may be "effective" but it can be, in fact, horrible.

 

That's the point I guess. Circles are an effective system, but it doesn't mean that it is effective because it is ''the right way'' to handle things, IF you look at things from modern law and empathy stance. Not that I personally would have an emotional grudge towards such a system. 

[KainD]

To be completely honest mages aren't like you and me, to treat them the same as regular people is a disservice to both. 

 

Yep agree. Wish more mages would understand that and stopped trying to fit in with mundanes. 

[dragonflight288]

To be completely honest mages aren't like you and me, to treat them the same as regular people is a disservice to both. 

 

But outright ignoring the fact that they are, in fact, people with emotions is a disservice to them, and creates an 'us or them' mindset that only widens the schism. 

 

And then you have the old saying, "treat people like monsters you shouldn't be surprised if they start acting like monsters."

[Rainbow Wyvern]

So it's safe to say the Cirle of Magi may be "effective" but it can be, in fact, horrible.

It is (or, was, I guess) effective, and it can be horrible. Kirkwall was bad, and I guess Starkhaven was bad if it got burnt down.

I would love to have something other than the Circle, something better, but imo it just won't happen. Someone must always oppress someone else. It is how it seems to be.

[Steelcan]

 

But outright ignoring the fact that they are, in fact, people with emotions is a disservice to them, and creates an 'us or them' mindset that only widens the schism. 

 

And then you have the old saying, "treat people like monsters you shouldn't be surprised if they start acting like monsters."

I am not saying that mages are lesser beings or anything, but they cannot be treated the same as Joe Normal, its simply too dangerous, to mundanes and to the mages themselves.  They need to be educated about the dangers of their powers and be equipped to handle issues that arise from being a mage.

[Divine Justinia V]

It is (or, was, I guess) effective, and it can be horrible. Kirkwall was bad, and I guess Starkhaven was bad if it got burnt down.

I would love to have something other than the Circle, something better, but imo it just won't happen. Someone must always oppress someone else. It is how it seems to be.

It'd be great to have Thedosian peace, but, not only would Dragon Age not be as fun to play, it would never work. There are crazed zealots in both corners. Unfortunately, I feel like the Templars have a bit more than the Mages (imo ).

[Steelcan]

It'd be great to have Thedosian peace, but, not only would Dragon Age not be as fun to play, it would never work. There are crazed zealots in both corners. Unfortunately, I feel like the Templars have a bit more than the Mages.

 

And here we are again....

[Divine Justinia V]

I am not saying that mages are lesser beings or anything, but they cannot be treated the same as Joe Normal, its simply too dangerous, to mundanes and to the mages themselves.  They need to be educated about the dangers of their powers and be equipped to handle issues that arise from being a mage.

I'm just saying, if I was a Mage in the CoM, I'd probably have a fine understanding about the dangers of my powers. Same goes with knowing how to handle the issues.

[KainD]

 

But outright ignoring the fact that they are, in fact, people with emotions is a disservice to them, and creates an 'us or them' mindset that only widens the schism. 

 

And then you have the old saying, "treat people like monsters you shouldn't be surprised if they start acting like monsters."

 

I dislike that too personally. There is no need to dehumanize your antagonists, I like honesty. 

I personally destroy my enemies with respect, just because I disagree with them, while fully understanding that they are people just like me.

[Divine Justinia V]

And here we are again....

lol I meant to put 'IMO' so it would start full circle, I swear!

[Steelcan]

I'm just saying, if I was a Mage in the CoM, I'd probably have a fine understanding about the dangers of my powers. Same goes with knowing how to handle the issues.

 

And that's why the Circle is needed.  I see no reason not to expand a mage's freedoms after they complete their Harrowing.

[wcholcombe]

Hey, how long did slavery last in our world?

That would depend, if you are speaking specifically about enslavement of Africans, 300 or so years, serfdom was a little longer, not certain how long the Jews were slaves of Egypt, but again we have mages talking about how it worked and we have examples of mages being given great freedom and power.

[KainD]

That would depend, if you are speaking specifically about enslavement of Africans, 300 or so years, serfdom was a little longer, not certain how long the Jews were slaves of Egypt, but again we have mages talking about how it worked and we have examples of mages being given great freedom and power.

 

I'm sure a lot of high position slaves were also satisfied with their lives in different times, mostly just because they knew no better though. And yeah, people screw each other up, mage or not.