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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I personally think this is as naive of a stance as world piece. 

How is people working together a naive viewpoint? People working together is the reason we are as advanced as we are today.

[KainD]

I propose an arrangement with the Grey Wardens, who could offer aid in policing AND protecting mages.

 

Yo, warden commander! The darkspawn? Forget that noise! We have more important things to worry about. You now in charge of sorting out templars and mages. Go! What? Who am I to give you orders? You ask too many questions, shut up and get going! 

[Iron Fist]

Yo, warden commander! The darkspawn? Forget that noise! We have more important things to worry about. You now in charge of sorting out templars and mages. Go! What? Who am I to give you orders? You ask too many questions, shut up and get going! 

 

The Wardens can also recruit from the mage and templar ranks.

[KainD]

How is people working together a naive viewpoint? People working together is the reason we are as advanced as we are today.

 

Yeaah, but mages aren't really regular people. 

[Steelcan]

Connor is a pretty good example of why children especially need to be at the Circle under supervision, it is logical that they are much more susceptible to demonic influence due to a lack of education and inability to control their powers

 

 

Unfortunate but

[wcholcombe]

There ya go Q, keep bearing that mages are just victims cross, cause we all know the mages are completely innocent in all this.

[KainD]

The Wardens can also recruit from the mage and templar ranks.

 

Duh, they can recruit anyone who follows their treaty. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I personally think this is as naive of a stance as world piece. 

Heh.

 

Did I say, "Bring about world peace?"  No.

 

Did I say, "This will bring peace after Inquisition?" No.

 

I'm more of a realist than that.

 

Do I think that a middle ground can be reached?  Yes.

 

Do I think that both extremists in this are being shortsighted?  Oh yes.

 

I said that both groups need to learn to work together.  You know, like adults?   The debate keeps coming back to what's best for Thedas.   The bickering keeps going on, the conversation is going around like a Merry-Go-Round broken down.

 

Don't we have bigger issues to worry about other than Circles or Tranquility or any of that outdated ineffective garbage?

 

Giant mofo hole in the fabric of reality?  Ring any bells?  Demons that are going to laugh at both groups as they possess anyone that has weak will and slaughter their way through Thedas?

 

 

 

 

I don't think it's naive to believe that there is more pressing issues at hand than extremists from two groups.  

 

My  job as Inquisitor: Get these two groups to sit down and work things out.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeaah, but mages aren't really regular people. 

Doesn't mean they don't have the ability to contribute. I wouldn't call the geniuses we had really 'regular' people either.

[wcholcombe]

There is little archaeological evidence to suggest Jewish enslavement in Egypt on any grand scale

Actually there has been recently, and most believe the exodus occurred. Now whether it occurred like the bible states or not, most historians believe it occurred.

[dragonflight288]

I don't think the Wardens would make good caretakers of the mages. For one thing they are busy with the darkspawn, are supposed to be politically neutral, and they only accept the best, and the Joining has a high fatality rate. 

 

Add in all the secrets they keep, and there's nothing more inquisitive than a teenager trapped in an area being told not to do something or learn something. That's essentially an invitation for them to try. 

[Steelcan]

How is people working together a naive viewpoint? People working together is the reason we are as advanced as we are today.

 

hmmmmm not really

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Connor is a pretty good example of why children especially need to be at the Circle under supervision, it is logical that they are much more susceptible to demonic influence due to a lack of education and inability to control their powers

 

 

Unfortunate but

The Circle definitely needs to at least exist as a Hogwart type thing, as in educating mages about magic.

 

The gif is great.

[Steelcan]

 

 

My  job as Inquisitor: Get these two groups to sit down and work things out.

 

"they will bend the knee or I will destroy them"

 

-Stannis the Mannis

[Divine Justinia V]

 

I think you're right tbh. More than likely, this (much) bigger issue will bring together both sides with hopefully some sort of neutral ground t
hat's beneficial to both.

 

I don't think the Wardens would make good caretakers of the mages. For one thing they are busy with the darkspawn, are supposed to be politically neutral, and they only accept the best, and the Joining has a high fatality rate. 

 

Add in all the secrets they keep, and there's nothing more inquisitive than a teenager trapped in an area being told not to do something or learn something. That's essentially an invitation for them to try. 

There goes that pipedream

[Xilizhra]

I don't think it's naive to believe that there is more pressing issues at hand than extremists from two groups that can't put aside their differences.

True... but what's there to talk about regarding a disaster like this? Either dodge it or find a way to deactivate it; that's about it. Either way, we can't know anything about it now. We talk about mage/templar issues because it's something to talk about and it can actually sustain debate.

[wcholcombe]

The Circle of Magi and the Templar Order are necessary institutions. However, I think they should operate independently of the Chantry.

I propose an arrangement with the Grey Wardens, who could offer aid in policing AND protecting mages.

Yes because its the church's fault we can't all just get along...,...............

[Hanako Ikezawa]

hmmmmm not really

So all that sharing ideas thing that's happened for millenia was a figment of my imagination?

[Iron Fist]

The Grey Wardens would make a better overseer for mages and templars than the Chantry, which is hamstringed by religious doctrine and bureaucratic BS that is not conducive to positive relations between mages and non-mages.

[KainD]

 

 

I don't think it's naive to believe that there is more pressing issues at hand than extremists from two groups.  

 

My  job as Inquisitor: Get these two groups to sit down and work things out.

 

Yeah that's totally fine. You don't have to solve the conflict between mages and templars to make them work together. Just make them sit down and realize how big the threat is. They can go back to slaughtering each other once the threat is dealt with, and you can tell them that outright. 

 

This is one reason I was pissed I couldn't recruit Uldred and his abominations instead of templars/mages in DA:O for example. Darkspawn are more important, and logically Uldred wanted to talk civil at first, he could go back to his domination plans once the blight was dealt with. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Yes because its the church's fault we can't all just get along...,...............

uh.. yeah......... it kinda is lol

[Steelcan]

Actually there has been recently, and most believe the exodus occurred. Now whether it occurred like the bible states or not, most historians believe it occurred.

 

I the most recent theory I've heard has suggested that the Jews were a subject group living in Delta and Sinai area who rebelled against Egyptian rule violently.

 

Obviously there are many theories out there, but the image of the jewish slaves being forced to build the pyramids and such is false.  the egyptians used paid labor and skilled craftsmen to build their monuments.
 

[dragonflight288]

I think you're right tbh. More than likely, this (much) bigger issue will bring together both sides with hopefully some sort of neutral ground t
hat's beneficial to both.

 

There goes that pipedream

 

It's not a bad idea in theory, but I don't see it working that well in practice. 

 

Let's take Amaranthine as an example. Anders left, so that left Velanna if our Warden isn't a mage.

 

Would you trust her with the education of Circle mages, many of them may come from backgrounds where it's not uncommong to treat elves badly?

[Xilizhra]

Yes because its the church's fault we can't all just get along...,...............

I believe the Circle would operate rather better without the Chantry, yes.

 

Either that... or we ensure that mages are allowed to enter the Chantry's hierarchy and have representation at least up to the Grand Cleric level, and allow for the chance of mages becoming Divine as well.

[Steelcan]

So all that sharing ideas thing that's happened for millenia was a figment of my imagination?

 

I was just thinking how nazism and communism were solved by sitting down and talking, or the abolition of slavery in America, or the Crusades, the Inquisition, the colonization of the Americas...