I was just thinking how nazism and communism were solved by sitting down and talking, or the abolition of slavery in America, or the Crusades, the Inquisition, the colonization of the Americas...
Well, the last three were all bad things, so I don't think they fit in your example.
It's not a bad idea in theory, but I don't see it working that well in practice.
Let's take Amaranthine as an example. Anders left, so that left Velanna if our Warden isn't a mage.
Would you trust her with the education of Circle mages, many of them may come from backgrounds where it's not uncommong to treat elves badly?
Definitely not lol. Don't get me wrong, I see the huge flaws in the plan but idealistically it'd be really nice 
Well, the last three were all bad things, so I don't think they fit in your example.
That last one wasn't as far as I'm concerned, unfortunate and violent and so on, but overall probably a good thing
The Grey Wardens already have mages in their membership.
Surely, they also have templar members for those (possibly rare) occasions when a mage member goes off the rails.
Making the Circle and Templar Order official branches of the Grey Wardens would remove the religious aspect that hinders progress.
True... but what's there to talk about regarding a disaster like this? Either dodge it or find a way to deactivate it; that's about it. Either way, we can't know anything about it now. We talk about mage/templar issues because it's something to talk about and it can actually sustain debate.
We can discuss on how to work together in wake of that disaster. If we focus on that, on how we're going to work together instead of our differences, we might come up with something different.
It shouldn't be "Us Mages versus Them Templar." It should be "Us Mortals of Thedas versus Them Demons." How about we talk about the way the groups working together as equals could be one of the most badass armies that Thedas has ever known?
We can discuss on how to work together in wake of that disaster. If we focus on that, on how we're going to work together instead of our differences, we might come up with something different.
It shouldn't be "Us Mages versus Them Templar." It should be "Us Mortals of Thedas versus Them Demons." How about we talk about the way the groups working together as equals could be one of the most badass armies that Thedas has ever known?
And we can put the elves in the vanguard 
The Grey Wardens already have mages in their membership.
Surely, they also have templar members for those (possibly rare) occasions when a mage member goes off the rails.
Making the Circle and Templar Order official branches of the Grey Wardens would remove the religious aspect that hinders progress.
Sure, but they would have to recruit the absolute best.
I know if I was a Warden Commander and if I was looking at templar recruits, I would have to find some way to compensate for the lyrium addiction, which may be a drain on the order's coffers, which is actually not something I have to worry about with mages.
I don't see why I couldn't have both, but the issue of logistics comes into play, and sometimes the Wardens may not be able to recruit the templars simply because they can't get enough lyrium from the Chantry, who controls the trade.
We can discuss on how to work together in wake of that disaster. If we focus on that, on how we're going to work together instead of our differences, we might come up with something different.
It shouldn't be "Us Mages versus Them Templar." It should be "Us Mortals of Thedas versus Them Demons." How about we talk about the way the groups working together as equals could be one of the most badass armies that Thedas has ever known?
Because even the Americans and Soviets didn't fight together on the same battlefields, in general, in WW2. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but not enough of a friend that I want to put together an army where half of it wants to kill the other half and vice versa.
And we can put the elves in the vanguard
oh my god no! stop it! you're awful lmao
And we can put the elves in the vanguard
How about using them as resources for the blood mages instead? So that mages can share more lyrium with templars.
How about using them as resources for the blood mages instead? So that mages can share more lyrium with templars.
This is also a perfectly good idea
And we can put the elves in the vanguard
Or we can put those who want genocide in the vanguard.
Or we can put those who want genocide in the vanguard.
The Dalish then?
The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but not enough of a friend that I want to put together an army where half of it wants to kill the other half and vice versa.
Suicidal thoughts don't you think?
Just as this was taking a turn towards the bloodthirsty, I started yawning like crazy. I'm going to bed, and will be back tomorrow to debate, and hopefully not have to catch up too much.
Yeah that's totally fine. You don't have to solve the conflict between mages and templars to make them work together. Just make them sit down and realize how big the threat is. They can go back to slaughtering each other once the threat is dealt with, and you can tell them that outright.
This is one reason I was pissed I couldn't recruit Uldred and his abominations instead of templars/mages in DA:O for example. Darkspawn are more important, and logically Uldred wanted to talk civil at first, he could go back to his domination plans once the blight was dealt with.
Point: You missed it. 
We have to start somewhere. Why not now? Why not at a time when these two polarizing groups have every reason to work together as equals?
You accused me of being naive by wanting both groups to act like grown ups for a few minutes. I was pointing out that I didn't think world peace was going to happen overnight. I did say we need to get the groups to sit down and actually talk to each other. You know, instead of talking at each other?
Oh and don't put words into my mouth. I would never say, "You two can go back to slaughtering each other after this is done." If that is even an option and I hope it isn't.
If given a choice, I would say, "We need to start a discussion now on how to work together in this time of trouble. The conversations that could happen here could benefit all of us as a whole."
That's my choice and that's what I'd do. If you think it's silly or naive, then you're welcome to your opinion.
I think a solution similar to the Geth/Quarian situation may be what we get.
In which case Imma have to pick a side because screw the geth, but I;m not overly pro-templar or overly pro-mage
Because even the Americans and Soviets didn't fight together on the same battlefields, in general, in WW2. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but not enough of a friend that I want to put together an army where half of it wants to kill the other half and vice versa.
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1) Why the bloody hell should the Mages and Templars stay enemies? Why shouldn't we work to move forward?
2) I was more referring to the style of the United Nations. I'm not even touching the USSR/USA Cold War due to personal feelings on the subject.
just let it sink in that Winston Churchill and Patton wanted to re-arm the germans and attack the Soviets, talk about awkward bedfellows
Point: You missed it.
We have to start somewhere. Why not now? Why not at a time when these two polarizing groups have every reason to work together as equals?
You accused me of being naive by wanting both groups to act like grown ups for a few minutes. I was pointing out that I didn't think world peace was going to happen overnight. I did say we need to get the groups to sit down and actually talk to each other. You know, instead of talking at each other?
Oh and don't put words into my mouth. I would never say, "You two can go back to slaughtering each other after this is done." If that is even an option and I hope it isn't.
If given a choice, I would say, "We need to start a discussion now on how to work together in this time of trouble. The conversations that could happen here could benefit all of us as a whole."
That's my choice and that's what I'd do. If you think it's silly or naive, then you're welcome to your opinion.
No, no, no.. I didn't accuse you of that. I never said that mages and templars could never work together for the survival of both factions, I said the conflict can never be solved. And it's not the inquisitions job to solve it, the inquisitions job is the ''big bad'', and that's it. Just as I said about my warden, his job was the blight not for example Uldred and his abominations, the job is to get the best army, that's why I recruited werewolves and golems and would recruit abominations too, because it's the strongest forces, and it doesn't matter what they do after the blight is over.
What I am saying is all we have to do is make them work together because because otherwise everyone will die, but to do that you do not have to solve their conflict, which is impossible to solve in the first place.
I think a solution similar to the Geth/Quarian situation may be what we get.
God, I actually hated Mass Effect so much for that plot. I refuse to believe that everyone are so thick in mass effect that they would rather face certain doom than work with each other until mister jesus shepard solves their little problems.
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1) Why the bloody hell should the Mages and Templars stay enemies? Why shouldn't we work to move forward?
2) I was more referring to the style of the United Nations. I'm not even touching the USSR/USA Cold War due to personal feelings on the subject.
Because we are enemies and have been for centuries, it's only boiled over into heat now. The templars are every bit as harmful in intent towards us as the demons, and I doubt that negotiating with them would be any more successful. It might be possible to temporarily suspend hostilities for the duration of this crisis... but not possible to end them altogether. There can be no true compromise when each side as goals so diametrically opposed.
Also, if you want, you can always PM the Cold War stuff to me.
God, I actually hated Mass Effect so much for that plot. I refuse to believe that everyone are so thick in mass effect that they would rather face certain doom than work with each other until mister jesus shepard solves their little problems.
If I felt like it I could explain why the quarians had no choice, and that the geth were justified in going to the reapers, but I'd rather just listen to my Pink Floyd and browse this forum and Imgur
If I felt like it I could explain why the quarians had no choice, and that the geth were justified in going to the reapers, but I'd rather just listen to my Pink Floyd and browse this forum and Imgur
I'm not just talking about Quarians and Geth, I'm talking about everyone. And you always have a choice. It's just like:
Galaxy: I am not going to fight if you don't bring me my sandwich!
Shepard: But you will die.
Galaxy: Yeah, sure that's fine. ^^ Still not fighting without a sandwich.
Shepard: Sigh... I'll get you a sandwich.
I'm not just talking about Quarians and Geth, I'm talking about everyone. And you always have a choice. It's just like:
Galaxy: I am not going to fight if you don't bring me my sandwich!
Shepard: But you will die.
Galaxy: Yeah, sure that's fine. ^^ Still not fighting without a sandwich.
Shepard: Sigh... I'll get you a sandwich.
Again I am hoping for a "get in line or I will crush you" option ala Stannis the Mannis or Javik
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