Too much of a divergence point, and the Dalish have to be preserved as a racial option for later games. If it happens, it'll probably be necessary for the Inquisition somehow.
But the only reason why they won was because the chantry asked other places for help.
Because they are all followers of a Religion that Empire helped build into what it is today.
Because the Chantry is based there.
._. Not all strength exists in armies you realize?
It comes from many sources; Influence, Coin, Faith.
Because they are all followers of a Religion that Empire helped build into what it is today.
Because the Chantry is based there.
._. Not all strength exists in armies you realize?
It comes from many sources; Influence, Coin, Faith.
It's not like the empire was not fighting before. With the chantry added people who are outside of the empire in the war.
Too much of a divergence point, and the Dalish have to be preserved as a racial option for later games. If it happens, it'll probably be necessary for the Inquisition somehow.
Restricted imagination much? The Dalish can exist as a racial option without being a significant polity in a region. For one thing, the Dalish exist across Thedas, so crushing them in one region as some tribe or tribes unite and are potentially crushed doesn't mean they couldn't be more elsewhere. Even if you do stay within a region, you can justify it on grounds that the PC's clan stayed neutral/got the hell out of dodge during the great elf uprising/cleansing of whenever, and thus avoided eradication.
Are we talking about the Dales? Because I thought Orlais ended it before any other countries could get involved.It's not like the empire was not fighting before. With the chantry added people who are outside of the empire in the war.
It's not like the empire was not fighting before. With the chantry added people who are outside of the empire in the war.
as per Usual leaguer i have no idea what you are trying to convey here.
Are we talking about the Dales? Because I thought Orlais ended it before any other countries could get involved.
No it was primarily an Orlaisian affair until an exalted March was called and then several other Nations committed to the destruction of the rogue elven state went to war under the banner of the Chantry.
Basically look it like this.
The American Campaign in Europe during world war two.
Orlais did 90% of the work and then a bunch of other nations joined in and "credit" got divided.
As a person that doesn't want the dalish to be eliminated from the setting, I honestly don't see why they have to be preserved as a racial option. Bioware could very well let us play as a city elf. Bringing back race choices doesn't mean that the dalish option will be always available.Too much of a divergence point, and the Dalish have to be preserved as a racial option for later games. If it happens, it'll probably be necessary for the Inquisition somehow.
Completely unrelated, but the inability to natively show more than the post you are directly responding to, thus removing the context or previous relevant posts in a conversation chain, is already starting to annoy me. Call me lazy, but I shouldn't have to go back and dig through five or ten pages of a fast moving thread to refresh myself on what someone said when it should be in the quoted text. Nor should I have to use the 'MultiQuote' feature to kludge together basic quoting functionality.
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled whatever it is we do. Actually, scratch that, I just don't have the energy to dance today. Have an enjoyable Friday, Durasteel, and hopefully a good weekend as well.
I agree with your discontent vis the quote feature.
I'll be out of town and unplugged this weekend, so I'll be counting on all of you to keep Z in line. You know how he gets...
Have a good one, all y'all.
Too much of a divergence point, and the Dalish have to be preserved as a racial option for later games. If it happens, it'll probably be necessary for the Inquisition somehow.
As I understand it, all elf PCs in Inquisition are Dalish. What's to say that all elf PCs in DA4 can't be alienage dwellers?
As I understand it, all elf PCs in Inquisition are Dalish. What's to say that all elf PCs in DA4 can't be alienage dwellers?
I agree with your discontent vis the quote feature.
I'll be out of town and unplugged this weekend, so I'll be counting on all of you to keep Z in line. You know how he gets...
Have a good one, all y'all.
...I have no idea what you are talking about.
as per Usual leaguer i have no idea what you are trying to convey here.
My point is that saying the chartry inspired the people of orlias to turn the tide ignores the fact that people from other places out side Orlians came into bolster their ranks so they can turn the tide.
My point is that saying the chartry inspired the people of orlias to turn the tide ignores the fact that people from other places out side Orlians came into bolster their ranks so they can turn the tide.
I was saying that Allies coming to aid you doesn't magically negate the fact that for the first years of the conflict Orlais fought alone, And why does having allies magically become a bad thing?
The Dalish couldn't have even gotten that far if they hadn't attacked in the aftermath of a blight.
They picked when the opponent was weakest and then expected them to not use their location to the utmost advantage?
I don't know what school of warfare you support; but it tends go like this, You have allies? You use them.
Nobody has anything to add to my idea? I'm sad now. 
Nobody has anything to add to my idea? I'm sad now.
What was the idea?
When you play the game of thrones you win or you die.
._. Abject lesson here.
Don't play against an Empire that has more territory then any other nation in the continent.
It got it for a reason.
Got it. Moral of the story, Ferelden should never rebel against Orlais and take their land back. And Andraste shouldn't lead an army to fight Tevinter as they have no hope of winning. 
What was the idea?
This:
I agree that the Dalish will probably have to make the first move. I say probably because who knows, maybe Orlais will suddenly feel sympathy and charitable to the Dalish. The way it may work is if the Dalish clans come with a few requests, even just a couple. Those requests being let them keep their religion, and let the City Elves live in their territory if they so desire. While the Chantry will hate the first part, Orlais is much more practical than idealogical and would more see the benefits of having thousands or tens of thousands of new citizens to both employ and tax, while the only difference is the elves will live in a territory instead of alienages. It also eliminates the threat the Dalish once imposed on things like trading routes considerably, so they not only gain an ally but lose an enemy.
I was saying that Allies coming to aid you doesn't magically negate the fact that for the first years of the conflict Orlais fought alone, And why does having allies magically become a bad thing?
The Dalish couldn't have even gotten that far if they hadn't attacked in the aftermath of a blight.
They picked when the opponent was weakest and then expected them to not use their location to the utmost advantage?
I don't know what school of warfare you support; but it tends go like this, You have allies? You use them.
I was not saying it was a bad thing. Just that the only reason Orlais won was because of the support they later got from other countries.
Got it. Moral of the story, Ferelden should never rebel against Orlais and take their land back. And Andraste shouldn't lead an army to fight Tevinter as they have no hope of winning.
Fereldan was a matter of chance and politics things came together and it became worth more to abandon the territory then to hold it.
And Tveinter crumbled after it endured a blight, remember that; Had that not occurred? Well i doubt the Imperium would have fallen considering it maintained the largest military well...in history.
Neither of these things really apply to the Orlaisian proper mind you.
Orlais has been defeated, lost wars, but it has always remained in its position of superiority remember that.
Why is that? How has it lost and not yet crumbled like the Imperium? Why is the wealthiest Nation in Thedas? Why does it maintain the greatest military? All these questions revolve around what exactly makes Orlais, Orlais and you know what is? The Ability to Unite, To put aside petty differences when it comes to matters of war and state. The game continues mind you, but why be King of a field of ashes? They realize that.
Its why the game never endangers Orlais it self, If it ever does...Well you see what occurs in history, Leliana got a small measure of that.
I was not saying it was a bad thing. Just that the only reason Orlais won was because of the support they later got from other countries.
Won what? You think the Dalish would have actually taken the Capital? You need to share whatever your smoking Leaguer.
The dalish don't strike me as masters of siege warfare.
This:
I agree that the Dalish will probably have to make the first move. I say probably because who knows, maybe Orlais will suddenly feel sympathy and charitable to the Dalish. The way it may work is if the Dalish clans come with a few requests, even just a couple. Those requests being let them keep their religion, and let the City Elves live in their territory if they so desire. While the Chantry will hate the first part, Orlais is much more practical than idealogical and would more see the benefits of having thousands or tens of thousands of new citizens to both employ and tax, while the only difference is the elves will live in a territory instead of alienages. It also eliminates the threat the Dalish once imposed on things like trading routes considerably, so they not only gain an ally but lose an enemy.
It could happen i suppose but its much to late for it become anything more then a mere vassal Nation, Not to mention the elves having the ability to just pack up and leave would likely be a no go as well. You need to remember that Orlais like its nearby neighbors employs Serfs, Servants and Slaves in their daily routine, if not elves then it would need to be Human which makes Orlais no better then the Imperium. You see it would cause a change in their own system if that occurred in mass and i don't see Orlais changing for the sake of more tax revenue.
Had this occurred right after the war as i suggested? Who knows, But we are many centuries removed from the fall of the dales, and not to mention what would be there to maintain the given balance? Would Orlais maintain garrisons in the dales to ensure they paid their taxes?
Only Orlesian troops participated in the Exalted March.
That they got help and whether or not they needed it are two separate matters.I was not saying it was a bad thing. Just that the only reason Orlais won was because of the support they later got from other countries.
That's what I thought, does anyone have the World of Thedas or relevant codex entry links on hand?Only Orlesian troops participated in the Exalted March.
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