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[The Elder King]

The WoT is a bias view. A concept of the victories writing history. So I look at it with a grain of salt.

Well, for the record, there's no codex stating the intervention of other nations, since the wikia doesn't core any source for that part, and the Veshialle's item description doesn't talk about it. So there's one source on only Orlais' partecipation, and zero on other nations partecipating.

[LobselVith8]

Actually when you consider that mages in the circles live in a lifestyle that is superior to all but the nobles in a country, you can't truly equate it to a concentration camp.  Well you can, but only if you are going to tell me German POWs were housed at the Ritz or the biltmore, because that is what life is like in a circle compared to the lives of most peasants, who let us remind you aren't calmly skipping through the daisies in DA 40.

 

Historically speaking, some slaves were given nice quarters, fine clothes, and were even educated, but that didn't change the fact that they were slaves. To infer that the Chantry controlled Circles are justified by the fact that the mages are given quarters and clothes by the Chantry doesn't change that the system is oppressive, to the point where some men and women are willing to risk their lives - and even their humanity - just to escape it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The WoT is a bias view. A concept of the victories writing history. So I look at it with a grain of salt.

I always heard that the WoT is what really happened, and only put in the format of being written to make it more enjoyable to read.

[LobselVith8]

Meet finn.

 

 

Finn has a family that he is still close with and who visit him in the circle.

 

Your argument is full of ****, like the log you left by comparing the circle to concentration camps.

 

I don't think anyone contests that mages who come from families with money are treated differently than those who don't, since it was also referenced that Leandra could see Bethany after the Amell family became wealthy again. Remember Ella, the child who fled the Circle of Kirkwall to let her mother know what happened to her, or Huon, who was barred from seeing his wife from the Alienage?

[Heimdall]

Yeah, I read the page on the EM of the Dales in the wikia and i though that this was the description on the Veshialle.
I wonder on what basis the wikia claims the intervention of other nations though. It should need an update.

For that matter, that page is the first time I've heard the Chantry supposedly claimed the Dalish were practicing human sacrifice, I'm skeptical.

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly. Sort of like how at the end or Origins if you played the Dalish Elf you could get the Brecilian Forest, except that in this case they would get the Dales as long as they swear fealty to Orlais. They would provide labor, goods, and taxes in exchange for the right to live there and be protected if attacked by another nation.

 

Yeah, the Circle thing I think would be a must, unless they make a new system in which case it would follow that instead. I still think having that Circle overseen by Elven Templars would be the way to go, since it will limit the racism and abuse born from that immeasurably. 

 

Depends though greatly, if the Elves are just outright rebelling and not backing a side in the civil war then i very much doubt that they would be rewarded with anything beyond the new or current rulers full attention once the civil war is resolved. But given last we heard they are backing Gaspard i'd assume if he actually takes power he would give them something.

 

I could see possibly allowing the rare elven templars to govern that circle to be sure, but given their rarity i would believe the majority there would likely be human as well to be honest.

[TK514]

The WoT is a bias view. A concept of the victories writing history. So I look at it with a grain of salt.

No. A thousand times, no. World of Thedas is the objective truth on the Setting at the time it was published. That's why Laidlaw goes out of his way to mention how accurate and fact checked it was in the foreword to the book itself, and why they immediately released relevant errata to correct some mistakes.

It is the ONLY unbiased source we have outside the writers themselves.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I do remember reading that thing about human sacrifices. But I'm trying to remember if I read that on the wiki or from any codex or character. I'm still searching but so far the codex entries and Wot only mention rumors of generic atrocities.

 

EDIT: Turns out it's from the non Dalish Codex for the Dales.

[LobselVith8]

For that matter, that page is the first time I've heard the Chantry supposedly claimed the Dalish were practicing human sacrifice, I'm skeptical.

 

It comes from the Chantry version of the fall of the Dales, which you can read in the codex entry from a non-Dalish Warden.

[leaguer of one]

...The codex is the biased one, not the other way around. Besides which, I believe we've established that there isn't any source saying that other nations joined in the march.

Sorry, but no. The entire Wot  book in character of a priest from the chantry. Sorry, but it's bias.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Sorry, but no. The entire Wot  book in character of a priest from the chantry. Sorry, but it's bias.

 

The out of character intro to the book says "Although written from an in universe perspective, the main text is one objective voice."

[Master Warder Z_]

Sorry, but no. The entire Wot  book in character of a priest from the chantry. Sorry, but it's bias.

 

Sounds like your trying to dismiss god canon when it dispute your own view ._.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Depends though greatly, if the Elves are just outright rebelling and not backing a side in the civil war then i very much doubt that they would be rewarded with anything beyond the new or current rulers full attention once the civil war is resolved. But given last we heard they are backing Gaspard i'd assume if he actually takes power he would give them something.

 

I could see possibly allowing the rare elven templars to govern that circle to be sure, but given their rarity i would believe the majority there would likely be human as well to be honest.

Yeah, from what we know so far, the elves have chosen a side. So if that side wins, they'll likely be rewarded while if that side loses, they'll be punished.

 

Chances are that there will be plenty of humans left, but due to the frailty of the relationship betwee the two races, chances are the Templars assigned there will at least be the more sympathetic to the elves of the Order. Plus put some Elven Templars in important positions and the problems will at least be lessened. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Sorry, but no. The entire Wot  book in character of a priest from the chantry. Sorry, but it's bias.

 

This reflects a presumption that a a priest from the chantry can't convey an unbiased assessment. Which is itself a bias.

[The Elder King]

Yeah, from what we know so far, the elves have chosen a side. So if that side wins, they'll likely be rewarded while if that side loses, they'll be punished.
 
Chances are that there will be plenty of humans left, but due to the frailty of the relationship betwee the two races, chances are the Templars assigned there will at least be the more sympathetic to the elves of the Order. Plus put some Elven Templars in important positions and the problems will at least be lessened.

Well, we know that the city elves seem to have chosen a side. We don't know if the dalish would choose the same.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, we know that the city elves seem to have chosen a side. We don't know if the dalish would choose the same.

I don't really think the Dalish would choose a side, to be honest. Though to avoid harming their brethren, they will more likely lean against Celene. 

[leaguer of one]

I always heard that the WoT is what really happened, and only put in the format of being written to make it more enjoyable to read.

I don't consider it be the end all say being that it ignores the Dalish perspective on it. Added if it's done by someone form the chantry I doubt they would write anything in it that would make the chantry look bad.

[leaguer of one]

This reflects a presumption that a a priest from the chantry can't convey an unbiased assessment. Which is itself a bias.

But to ignore the fact the chantry would never allow anything that makes them look bad to be placed in the history books is logical?

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, from what we know so far, the elves have chosen a side. So if that side wins, they'll likely be rewarded while if that side loses, they'll be punished.

 

Chances are that there will be plenty of humans left, but due to the frailty of the relationship betwee the two races, chances are the Templars assigned there will at least be the more sympathetic to the elves of the Order. Plus put some Elven Templars in important positions and the problems will at least be lessened. 

 

I'd like to see more revealed about Gaspard the man seems pretty interesting thus far but given we know little beyond a fraction of his backstory and his ambition to be emperor i'd can't say if i'd support him or no.

[leaguer of one]

Sounds like your trying to dismiss god canon when it dispute your own view ._.

But it's not god cannon. The entire book is written in the character of a chantry Priest.

[The Elder King]

I don't really think the Dalish would choose a side, to be honest. Though to avoid harming their brethren, they will more likely lean against Celene.

The CE actually seems to be on Gaspard's side.
The Masked Empire summary implied that the dalish will have a role in the OCW (it nominated both the city elves and dalish). I'm not saying that they'll be on opposite sides, but I wouldn't discount the possibility.

[The Elder King]

But it's not god cannon. The entire book is written in the character of a chantry Priest.

Read Jedi Master of Orion's post.

[TK514]

Sorry, but no. The entire Wot  book in character of a priest from the chantry. Sorry, but it's bias.

Yeah. What little credibility you had evaporates when the developers state the source is objective and you ignore them. Why should we accept your head canon over the word of the people who created the setting?

[LobselVith8]

To be exact the Chantry and Empire of Orlais responded to the invasion FROM the Dalish.

 

Not that the Dalish state was in and of it self a threat to either; I am of the mind that if the Dalish truly provoked the full wrath from either party rather then the petty dissolution of their state? There wouldn't be any Dalish remaining by the time the dragon age rolled around.

 

You likely would have had "Kill on sight" when it came to tribal elves after the war.

 

To be more precise, there are two sides to that historical account. The humans claim the Dalish started it, while the Dalish claim the humans started it.

[Heimdall]

But it's not god cannon. The entire book is written in the character of a chantry Priest.

Not true, as we've told you numerous times, the book has been described by the developers as the objective truth of the events described. It doesn't tell us everything, because it is written from an in universe perspective, but what it does tell is true.