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[Xilizhra]

Interesting. Best hope mages aren't blamed for it in the first place. 

As leader of the Inquisition in charge of handling the mess, I will be perfectly happy to manage any and all public relations required as new information comes to light.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't buy that. 

 

If one templar, Thrask, was able to get mages and templars of KIRKWALL to work together it is possible. 

 

Yeah he messed up and let his guard down, but think of what could be accomplished if more people from both sides were actually willing to sit down and talk and keep their extremists in check. 

 

Or  Lets say that one side 'wins', you leave the legs of Andraste wide open for any nation strong enough to swoop on in and potentially take over. Lets not forget that it was the mages who tipped the balance to fight the Qunari to a standstill. 

It is like with darkspawn when they are in danger everyone fights together but just see what often happens after blight and see what end meet thrask this is price for trust and thats why templars with "compromise" won't be able do their jobs... situation to mantain order requires drastic measures that will displease other side.

 

both sides want 2 different things middle ground don't give you any of them pointless...

 

Yeah but ask real question who caused blights who caused 1000 others disasters that weakened thedas or nations and who stops technology development lets see how humans ended in our reality and how in thedas... 

[wcholcombe]

So Xil is the mage version of Meredith?  Got it.

[Xilizhra]

So Xil is the mage version of Meredith?  Got it.

No, I don't have the wacky abusive maternity complex. All I have is a desire to see justice done and the mages protected.

[wcholcombe]

It is like with darkspawn when they are in danger everyone fights together but just see what often happens after blight and see what end meet thrask this is price for trust and thats why templars with "compromise" won't be able do their jobs... situation to mantain order requires drastic measures that will displease other side.

 

both sides want 2 different things middle ground don't give you any of them pointless...

 

Yeah but ask real question who caused blights who caused 1000 others disasters that weakened thedas or nations and who stops technology development lets see how humans ended in our reality and how in thedas... 

Well, actually if as the inquisitor I kill the far right and far left mages and templars, all that it will leave alive are the middle grounders.  And oh yes, if that is what is required, there will be a great many mages and templars heads sharing pikes.

[wcholcombe]

No, I don't have the wacky abusive maternity complex. All I have is a desire to see justice done and the mages protected.

Your interpretation of justice.  It is so much fun when we present our view of a social construct as fact.

[Xilizhra]

Your interpretation of justice.  It is so much fun when we present our view of a social construct as fact.

Well, in comparison to this...

 

 

 And oh yes, if that is what is required, there will be a great many mages and templars heads sharing pikes.

...you trying to paint me as more bloodthirsty seems more than a little silly.

[Veruin]

Your interpretation of justice.  It is so much fun when we present our view of a social construct as fact.

You're finally catching on to Xil's logic.

 

"My opinion is the paragon of morality and the clear right option"

 

Beating a dead horse, but.

[LobselVith8]

First, Neither Merrill nor Grey Warden blood mages or Alain make me think it's a wise policy to regularly be allowed to use blood magic.

 

Second, the kidnapping is still what happened. That's part of the story of his character.

 

First, I think the application of blood magic for beneficial purposes is reason enough not to prohibit it. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

 

Second, the kidnapping still makes no sense. I see no reason why I can't point this out since it's nonsensical in the context of the narrative. It's as asinine as Decimus thinking that Hawke and companions like Merrill are templars.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, actually if as the inquisitor I kill the far right and far left mages and templars, all that it will leave alive are the middle grounders.  And oh yes, if that is what is required, there will be a great many mages and templars heads sharing pikes.

haha good luck it will eat your resources faster than you will say mage-templar war and will only delay things and problems like mages satisfaction or non-mages safety won't be solved.

 

To be honest it would work if you killed every human/being in thedas but this is not possible without some kind deus ex machina.

[EmissaryofLies]

It is like with darkspawn when they are in danger everyone fights together but just see what often happens after blight and see what end meet thrask this is price for trust and thats why templars with "compromise" won't be able do their jobs... situation to mantain order requires drastic measures that will displease other side.

 

both sides want 2 different things middle ground don't give you any of them pointless...

 

Yeah but ask real question who caused blights who caused 1000 others disasters that weakened thedas or nations and who stops technology development lets see how humans ended in our reality and how in thedas... 

 

Alright. So what's your end game? 

 

Destroy the mages or force them back into their circles by any means necessary?

[LobselVith8]

Well the roots of Chantry approved magic were under Emperor Drakon.  Also, the circle itself predates the chantry with the circles in Tevinter but that isn't what we are discussing.  The only 2 limitations Drakon impossed is 1. Blood Magic forbidden 2. Mages could not unduly influence rulers or become rulers themselves.  That doesn't sound too horrible.

 

Rhys, Wynne, and others all remark about the freedoms mages formerly enjoyed until recently to leave the tower without escort, to travel between circles, in stolen throne the mages from Orlais are in command of their escorts, definitely not being beaten down by them.

 

The mages protested their lack of rights, and the Divine contemplated attacking a church where the mages barricaded themselves in as a response to their peaceful protest. Regardless of how you feel about the legal limitations imposed on the mages, what the Divine wanted to do sounds fairly horrific to me, and an example of the kind of problems when you have one group that has absolute power and authority over another.

 

Also, Rhys points out that Wynne has freedoms that no others have, and the developers have pointed out that every Circle of Magi conducts itself differently, to the point where some Circles prohibited relationships and marriage.

[Veruin]

Alright. So what's your end game? 

 

Destroy the mages or force them back into their circles by any means necessary?

TKS's endgame is basically destroy both the Mages and Templars.  Pay him no mind.

[wcholcombe]

The mages protested their lack of rights, and the Divine contemplated attacking a church where the mages barricaded themselves in as a response to their peaceful protest. Regardless of how you feel about the legal limitations imposed on the mages, what the Divine wanted to do sounds fairly horrific to me, and an example of the kind of problems when you have one group that has absolute power and authority over another.

 

Also, Rhys points out that Wynne has freedoms that no others have, and the developers have pointed out that every Circle of Magi conducts itself differently, to the point where some Circles prohibited relationships and marriage.

Actually I was talking about Rhys's freedoms he remembers not Wynne's.  Him talking about being able to leave the tower, him and his master mage going to tevinter without templars, him wandering the streets of tevinter as an apprentice mage by himself, etc.  Also, again the mages in Stolen Throne from Orlais had no templars with them.  Also, the court mages are completely without templars.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

First, I think the application of blood magic for beneficial purposes is reason enough not to prohibit it. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

 

Second, the kidnapping still makes no sense. I see no reason why I can't point this out since it's nonsensical in the context of the narrative. It's as asinine as Decimus thinking that Hawke and companions like Merrill are templars.

 

Decimus knew before he attacked, he didn't care.

 

Whether it makes sense or not is really beside the point. It's still what happened. That's how his character was written. You're entitled to think it bad writing, but unless it's sort of an irrelevant detail that doesn't affect anything, I don't think we can ignore it. It's the same with Orsino in the endgame. You can think his harvester freakout and Quinten covering are bad writing on Bioware's part but they still happened in the story.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Alright. So what's your end game? 

 

Destroy the mages or force them back into their circles by any means necessary?

 

If i could destroy them i would they are too destructive for my taste and dangerous.I will kill them and set anti-mage system that will kill them and ever new-born mage spreading propaganda and system of penalties and rewards just to get peoples support in doing that.At least it will solve most problems with mages and demons so we will have mess already caused by mages to clean up but no more new.  

 

 

TKS's endgame is basically destroy both the Mages and Templars.  Pay him no mind.

 

Yes and no mages need to die and we will be able take care off more mundane matters and problems.I think that we need new anti-magical order more ruthless and focused only on hunting mages no connection to morals or religion.They should be more like grey wardens...

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The templars are too soft, they should look to the Qunari's example on how to treat mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The templars are too soft, they should look to the Qunari's example on how to treat mages.

 

Well to be honest of of their mages escaped and tried summon demon army to destroy world just for **** and giggles and he almost managed to do that

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If i could destroy them i would they are too destructive for my taste and dangerous.I will kill them and set anti-mage system that will kill them and ever new-born mage spreading propaganda and system of penalties and rewards just to get peoples support in doing that.At least it will solve most problems with mages and demons so we will have mess already caused by mages to clean up but no more new.  

 

 

 

Yes and no mages need to die and we will be able take care off more mundane matters and problems.I think that we need new anti-magical order more ruthless and focused only on hunting mages no connection to morals or religion.They should be more like grey wardens...

So basically make an organization like these guys:

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

So basically make an organization like these guys:

 

 

 

Well if they are like they then they will be perfect

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well if they are like they then they will be perfect

Oh, I think Hydra was much better at wanting to eliminate people than the Empire. They only didn't get nearly as far because they had to face a superhero and was not a galactic force.

 

Also, that music. 

[LobselVith8]

Decimus knew before he attacked, he didn't care.

 

Whether it makes sense or not is really beside the point. It's still what happened. That's how his character was written. You're entitled to think it bad writing, but unless it's sort of an irrelevant detail that doesn't affect anything, I don't think we can ignore it. It's the same with Orsino in the endgame. You can think his harvester freakout and Quinten covering are bad writing on Bioware's part but they still happened in the story.

 

Grace pointed out that they weren't templars, and then Decimus said that he didn't care. The fact that Decimus could assume that a Dalish elf like Merrill is a templar is beyond absurd. I'm also not contesting the kidnapping being part of the narrative, I'm simply disinterested in addressing it because it doesn't actually make any sense unless the Champion is a supporter of Meredith's regime. My point is that I think Thrask was a wasted opportunity, and I'm disinclined to address certain elements of the story that simply don't make sense. It's the same reason I don't get into Cullen letting Anders go free if Hawke points out that the ex-Grey Warden is plotting against the Kirkwall Chantry, when he's right in front of the Knight-Captain.

 

Also, I've pointed out that I didn't think Orsino's dealings with Quentin or Meredith's purchase of the lyrium idol were anything but weak plot elements to turn the two into insane monstrosities, even though I concede that they (unfortunately) happened.

[PinkysPain]

If the only way to save Thedas from demons is genocide it's not worth it ... let the demons take over, maybe they'll manage better.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If the only way to save Thedas from demons is genocide it's not worth it ... let the demons take over, maybe they'll manage better.

Especially since the more you genocide, the easier it is for the demons to cross over.

[LobselVith8]

If the only way to save Thedas from demons is genocide it's not worth it ... let the demons take over, maybe they'll manage better.

 

If it saves the Grand Oak from annihilation, then the destruction of the demonic horde is worth it.