You mean the same religious order that left their religion so would actually be seen as heretics?
They didn't left religion they left insane and naive divine that let mages escape , have assassins for dirty work and alot behind ears and shady past expose some of that she is done for good.add to that many members of chantry don't rly like current divine she was barely accepted.
You mean the same religious order that left their religion so would actually be seen as heretics?
They weren't formed by said religious order, weren't bound to it as soon as their convent was broken.
Technically its about the same as any mercenary leaving their employer once the contract is breached.
Not Hersey.
The Chantry can convey it that way though; But i have feeling most will just be pissed at the divine for losing them their army.
They didn't left religion they left insane and naive divine that let mages escape , have assassins for dirty work and alot behind ears and shady past expose some of that she is done for good.add to that many members of chantry don't rly like current divine she was barely accepted.
Still means they left the Chantry.
They weren't formed by said religious order, weren't bound to it as soon as their convent was broken.
Technically its about the same as any mercenary leaving their employer once the contract is breached.
Not Hersey.
The Chantry can convey it that way though; But i have feeling most will just be pissed at the divine for losing them their army.
I don't give the average Thedasian enough credit to make that distinction. When an Order has been part of a religion for 900 years, most common folk will say that they are part of it. Oh, and I would not be surprised at the Chantry spinning it that way either.
I still haven't read the OP
Steel this is formerly BSN.
Off topic is on topic for the majority of people.
Least the thread is still in its awful Dalish defense phase by Lob.
Speculation aside.
In none of the gameplay videos nor images have i ever seen a red templar fighting alongside an abomination.
I mean i think even a lyrium addled templar can put one plus one together.
Abomination = enemy.
Here's hoping I can recruit red templars to help me in the war.
No, I don't have the wacky abusive maternity complex. All I have is a desire to see justice done and the mages protected.
"Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world."
I don't give the average Thedasian enough credit to make that distinction. When an Order has been part of a religion for 900 years, most common folk will say that they are part of it. Oh, and I would not be surprised at the Chantry spinning it that way either.
A lot of the Chantry POV depends upon if its still one unified voice or if Varric was telling the truth and it was in schism like Petrice suggested was going to happen due to the differences of opinion when it came to threats to the faith.
The Divine and her views aren't popular, hence why i actually bought into Varric's belief considering that it would make things a bit more interesting.
Some factions of the Chantry support various stances, Either the Divine or the Templars that left the Chantry in the service to combat magic; I can see those stances attracting very different crowds, but the main point is the Chantry wouldn't have the universal stance to just declare them heretics.
Still means they left the Chantry.
They left divine they are still protecting peoples from what they hate mages...
"Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world."
Justice is just subjective.
"Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world."
Xil also has a....unique...concept of Justice
Xil also has a....unique...concept of Justice
Everybody has, it's subjective, lol.
Xil also has a....unique...concept of Justice
Insanity often is unique.
Except it's not a defensive war, exactly. Adrian baited them into striking first.
It's absolutely 100% defensive. The templars never had to attack.
You know I'm hoping there's an option to absolutely crush the mages.
While I am personally fairly neutral on the issue I'm starting to get a reputation to uphold, like I can never romance Liara again
It's absolutely 100% defensive. The templars never had to attack.
Oh but they had...... To see justice done to the traitors.............................
Oh but they had...... To see justice done to the traitors.............................
Yup.
And you think distrust and uncertainty of a minority faction can bleed into an order with a sterling reputation for maintaining the bulwark against magic for a thousand years?
Has connection to nobility in at least three nations.
I think its a vain hope personally.
You mean the order that broke away from the Chantry? The order who by all appearances has betrayed the Chantry? Wonder how people will feel about that as well as the minority of red templars poppin' up.
Do you truthfully believe that an Andrastian will make a meaningful distinction between the red templar who kills their loved one because they thought he/she was a mage and the Templar just doing his job going about his business?
They certainly don't afford mages the same benefit of the doubt.
Xil also has a....unique...concept of Justice
Xil has a different opinion than you do. No need to be snide about it.
You mean the order that broke away from the Chantry? The order who by all appearances has betrayed the Chantry? Wonder how people will feel about that as well as the minority of red templars poppin' up.
Do you truthfully believe that an Andrastian will make a meaningful distinction between the red templar who kills their loved one because they thought he/she was a mage and the Templar just doing his job going about his business?
They certainly don't afford mages the same benefit of the doubt.
Their has been nothing revealed about the Chantry stance on the disbanding of the accord as of yet, anything on that point is speculation and we aren't even aware if the Chantry is capable of giving a uniform response to said annulling of the accord.
Considering we have all of one example of the red templars launching on assault on a settlement for yet unknown reasons, we cannot state with out a doubt that such practice is normal or occuring elsewhere so unless if you are going by the accounting of a settlement that may or may not exist any longer with out PC intervention, i'd say that the reputation of the Red Templars and the greater order it self may not suffer overly.
Corpses have a difficult time besmirching.
And True; But these aren't Mages, these are the defenders of the common man against magic its a position they have held for generations and i have difficult seeing it being shaken by a handful of outbursts by a group the Templars may or may not condone at all.
Here's hoping I can recruit red templars to help me in the war.
They certainly would be useful if they could be swayed to the Inquisition, its always better to control rather then destroy when the option presents it self.
Insanity often is unique.
I take it slandering Xil is something you feel compelled to post in every thread, since you did it in one she wasn't even participating in at the time.
I agree with you. There is a distinct possibility that a Knight-Commander, instead of submitting to the Cahntry's will, will decide by himself or herself that the Grand Cleric or the Divine isn't fit to give them orders, an obstacle to their duty and thus it's morally right to oppose their orders and do "what must be done". Even if their original duty came from the Chantry itself.
You know, scrap the "distinct possibility" part, since it has already happened: Lord Seeker Lambert, without any need for a red-lyrium-induced madness, did exactly that. Since I believe Lambert was honest in his actions, I think it's a clear sign that the system is broken.
Well, the Grey Wardens are also an organized international system, and that's why I'm a supporter of the Inquisition becoming the new managers for the Circle system, or whatever they choose to call it in the future.
It's not a matter of good intentions and progressive ambitions. It's that by the time DA:I ends, the Inquisition could be an international force, with armies, fortresses and public legitimacy after solving the Veil Tear crysis, not unlike the Grey Wardens after the end of the First Blight. Support from pre-existing actors only matters if they have enough power to oppose you. With the Inquisition having the actual monopoly on violence in several key places, the Chantry without its teeth and their most adherent supporters weak after a civil war (with the distinct possibility of the victor being indebted to the Inquisitor), their room for negotiation might improve a lot.
But as I usually say, it's just an idea.
The problem with the Grey Warden comparison is that while the Grey Wardens are an international organization, they are not an international system. At the end of the day, they are too small, marginal and marginal to serve as a model.
In the first point, the Wardens aren't a major military force in most places. Unlike the Templars, which effectively are an international army with multiple military bases and troop movements, a force of national concern if they wished to be, the Wardens... well, aren't. The Wardens are a elite force, but a small one, and little suggests they could crush nations if they wanted to. Even their right of conscription is, as a matter of political practicality, used sparingly- and, of course, heeded only in so much as the nations respect it in a case of 'we will give you whoever you ask for as long as you don't ask for anyone we won't give up.' The Warden presence is small and limited: by comparison, the Templars are magnitudes larger in scope and scale.
In the second, the Wardens are a marginal force. They are insular as an organization, stick to the margins of civilized areas and are rarely seen by most, and frequently go to places like the Deep Roads where no one else has an interest. On top of that, they have relatively little political might- the Anderfels are the big exception, obviously, but until Amaranthine the Wardens have never had a role in the political establishments. Templars, by contrast, are much more heavily involved in the day-to-day workings of society: they are far from politically marginalized through their partnership with the Chantry, serve and recruit publicly with many ties with the masses, and the jobs by necessity bring them to interact with masses, from Chantry guards to mage-related concerns in cities. Wardens, secretive as they are, are rarely seen or involved: Templars are far more present.
The point of this contrast isn't simply to emphasize the difference of scale: it's to highlight the difference in an organization and a system. Both groups are largely apolitical, purpose-focused, and have some secretive traits about them, but there's a key difference between them. The Wardens are not viewed as particularly threatening or worrying to the nations of Thedas because they aren't that much of a threat- even if they did get involved, their actual power would be limited. The Templars are not viewed as particularly threatening or worrying ot the nations of Thedas despite the threat they can pose: the Templars have had a much greater position to be much more interventionist and and active than they have been, but this does not dominate their reputation despite their already considerable involvement with society.
The important factor here is credibility and legitimacy. The Templars have become a part of the international system because of a millennium of collective involvement. That's not something that can be built in a year: international organizations can't just be expanded with new duties to replace a system. The institutional know-how, the popular legitimacy, the simple experience and acceptance doesn't come that easily.
It's easy to say you'll replace the Templars with a new group of Templars with a different name. It's much harder to actually do it off of any group in Thedas.
We shall, of course, see about the Inquisition. I doubt the Inquisition will ever gain a monopoly on violence, and suspect we'll be finangled into alliances whether we would like them or not. But the terrain limitations of the game alone work against setting up a new international system in and of itself: too many places far out of reach to affect.
Their has been nothing revealed about the Chantry stance on the disbanding of the accord as of yet, anything on that point is speculation and we aren't even aware if the Chantry is capable of giving a uniform response to said annulling of the accord.
Considering we have all of one example of the red templars launching on assault on a settlement for yet unknown reasons, we cannot state with out a doubt that such practice is normal or occuring elsewhere so unless if you are going by the accounting of a settlement that may or may not exist any longer with out PC intervention, i'd say that the reputation of the Red Templars and the greater order it self may not suffer overly.
Corpses have a difficult time besmirching.
And True; But these aren't Mages, these are the defenders of the common man against magic its a position they have held for generations and i have difficult seeing it being shaken by a handful of outbursts by a group the Templars may or may not condone at all.
True it is speculation. We'll have to see what happens.
We do know what red lyrium does, however. We saw what it did to Bartrand and we saw what it did to our most compassionate friend, Meredith. I don't think it's too far a stretch to believe that these red templars aren't going door to door selling girl scout cookies. You may be correct about the templars' reputation not suffering overly. But it will definitely soil their white hats.
That is true, the templars have a sterling reputation as defenders against magic. But how quickly will the red templars chip away at their reputation? Andrastians seem to scare rather easily. I don't think the templar abominations will help either.
With the way things are looking, I daresay that the templars won't be the default 'good guys' in the eyes of Andrastians for too much longer.
No, I don't have the wacky abusive maternity complex. All I have is a desire to see justice done and the mages protected.
You, ah, kind of do.
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