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[The Baconer]

They certainly would be useful if they could be swayed to the Inquisition, its always better to control rather then destroy when the option presents it self.

 

 

... And then kill them after the crisis, right?

[Xilizhra]

You, ah, kind of do.

The templars aren't in my charge, so I don't see how the analogy fits.

[Dean_the_Young]

The templars aren't in my charge, so I don't see how the analogy fits.

 

The men in skirts aren't the one your wacky maternalistic tendencies are aimed towards. Then men in dresses are.

[Master Warder Z_]

... And then kill them after the crisis, right?

 

If their issue becomes my issue then yes.

 

I personally view them with pity, not disgust or hatred, having to consume that vile taint to combat magic is the epitome of sacrifice for the good of others.

 

But that said; If they cannot do with out it, if they cannot revert back to something resembling humans? 

 

With Regret i would likely see them destroyed.

 

I'd blame the entire thing on the mages, if they hadn't rebelled then those men and women wouldn't have been exposed to that rot and wouldn't have ceased being human.

 

PC views are neat to explain sometimes.

[The Baconer]

The men in skirts aren't the one your wacky maternalistic tendencies are aimed towards. Then men in dresses are.

 

I feel like those are two conflicting sentences.

[Xilizhra]

The men in skirts aren't the one your wacky maternalistic tendencies are aimed towards. Then men in dresses are.

Arguably, but those aren't abusive to the point of murderousness.

[Master Warder Z_]

I feel like those are two conflicting sentences.

 

I personally prefer the plate of the templars over what they MAY or MAY NOT wear in their off duty hours.

 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Arguably, but those aren't abusive to the point of murderousness.

 

Just insane to the point of slitting their wrists and mind controlling anything that strolls by.

[The Baconer]

I personally view them with pity, not disgust or hatred, having to consume that vile taint to combat magic is the epitome of sacrifice for the good of others.

 

They're totes slinging some magic though. But I mean, your PC can think however they want.

[TK514]

I guess Xil doesn't consider torture and forced possession abuse as long as Mages are the ones doing it.

Edit: and actual slavery, as well.

[renfrees]

Arguably, but those aren't abusive to the point of murderousness.

Talk to Tarohne, Quentin, Hadriana or Danarius, i'm sure they'll cheer your enthusiasm.

[Xilizhra]

Just insane to the point of slitting their wrists and mind controlling anything that strolls by.

 

I guess Xil doesn't consider torture and forced possession abuse as long as Mages are the ones doing it.

 

Talk to Tarohne, Quentin, Hadriana or Danarius, i'm sure they'll cheer your enthusiasm.

 

I was referring to my own tendencies with that post.

[Master Warder Z_]

They're totes slinging some magic though. But I mean, your PC can think however they want.

 

The Magic is not innate to them though, those abilities are given through consumption of Lyrium (I love how Irving pronounces it)

 

Its not the same as being a mage, not even comparable they don't suffer the insidious corruption that comes along with it either.

[EmissaryofLies]

Personally? I blame everything that has happened or will ever happen on the mages. 

 

After everything that the templars have done for them, so ungrateful!

 

If only the mages could understand that It's because they love them that they expect so much from them!

 

Like Meredith!

[Master Warder Z_]

Personally? I blame everything that has happened or will ever happen on the mages. 

 

After everything that the templars have done for them, so ungrateful!

 

If only the mages could understand that It's because they love them that they expect so much from them!

 

Like Meredith!

 

I must admit i chuckled at bit here.

[Dean_the_Young]

Arguably, but those aren't abusive to the point of murderousness.

 

No, you've repeatedly defended the unnecessary deaths and suffering of the men in dresses, whether they wanted it or not, as in their better interests out of your wacky maternal complex tendencies.

[renfrees]

I was referring to my own tendencies with that post.

Your tendencies remind me of Anders A3, when i frantically search for an option of Murder knife every time i speak with him.

[LobselVith8]

No, you've repeatedly defended the unnecessary deaths and suffering of the men in dresses, whether they wanted it or not, as in their better interests out of your wacky maternal complex tendencies.

You mean Xil's references to mage rebels defending themselves against encroaching templars attempting to kill them? She's also said she would spare templars who surrendered.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean Xil's references to mage rebels defending themselves against encroaching templars attempting to kill them? She's also said she would spare templars who surrendered.

 

After refusal to handle over a murder suspect and submit to templar authority and end their treasonous little discussion.

 

And why would it be the Templar imperative in this instance to surrender? They are within their rights to both close the off topic conclave and take possession of a possible murderer.

 

If anything the mages should surrender to them, Pity they ego blinds to things like law and order though.

[Dean_the_Young]

You mean Xil's references to mage rebels defending themselves against encroaching templars attempting to kill them? She's also said she would spare templars who surrendered.

 

Nah, Xil's defenses of mages hurting mages and instigating further harm to justify a defensive struggle that many mages don't want in the first place.

 

It really is an equivalent of telling a child that they are being beaten for their own good. As far as maternal complexes go, that goes far enough I feel comfortable in saying that 'wacky' is putting it very generously.

[Xilizhra]

No, you've repeatedly defended the unnecessary deaths and suffering of the men in dresses, whether they wanted it or not, as in their better interests out of your wacky maternal complex tendencies.

I think you're conflating different concepts here. Hell, even your system would cause far more suffering to the mages over time than I would allow.

 

 

Nah, Xil's defenses of mages hurting mages and instigating further harm to justify a defensive struggle that many mages don't want in the first place.

 

It really is an equivalent of telling a child that they are being beaten for their own good. As far as maternal complexes go, that goes far enough I feel comfortable in saying that 'wacky' is putting it very generously.

One mage who wanted nothing more than to die?

[Dean_the_Young]

I think you're conflating different concepts here. Hell, even your system would cause far more suffering to the mages over time than I would allow.

 

 

One mage who wanted nothing more than to die?

 

Neither actually addresses what I was referring to, and seem little more than strawmen if they aren't just non-sequiters. My preference of a mage-mundane relationship really doesn't impact the crimes by and against mages you've justified in the name of their own good as an exhibition of your complexes.

 

Of course, by its nature any argument about you having a twisted perspective wouldn't really be one you could argue against. You would, almost by definition, be unable to see yourself as twisted if you were, so your protestations to the contrary wouldn't really affect the charge. Which leaves only outside observers and opinions capable of evaluating your morality, wackiness of your interpretation of justice, and overall maternal complex.

 

 

So, shall we ask others? I seem to recall you not having a good reception of the last time you raised your moral nature as a topic of assessment and discussion.

[LobselVith8]

After refusal to handle over a murder suspect and submit to templar authority and end their treasonous little discussion.
 
And why would it be the Templar imperative in this instance to surrender? They are within their rights to both close the off topic conclave and take possession of a possible murderer.
 
If anything the mages should surrender to them, Pity they ego blinds to things like law and order though.

So Xil is villainous because she opposes a return to a system she finds morally reprehensible, and ethically unjust? I don't think her support for mages fighting for their autonomy is wrong.

[Xilizhra]

Neither actually addresses what I was referring to, and seem little more than strawmen if they aren't just non-sequiters. My preference of a mage-mundane relationship really doesn't impact the crimes by and against mages you've justified in the name of their own good as an exhibition of your complexes.

 

Of course, by its nature any argument about you having a twisted perspective wouldn't really be one you could argue against. You would, almost by definition, be unable to see yourself as twisted if you were, so your protestations to the contrary wouldn't really affect the charge. Which leaves only outside observers and opinions capable of evaluating your morality, wackiness of your interpretation of justice, and overall maternal complex.

 

 

So, shall we ask others? I seem to recall you not having a good reception of the last time you raised your moral nature as a topic of assessment and discussion.

That opinion shows up spontaneously quite often, so I doubt you'll have any trouble collecting it. In fact, this exchange started based directly on someone else comparing me to Meredith, so just click back a few pages.

[Master Warder Z_]

So Xil is villainous because she opposes a return to a system she finds morally reprehensible, and ethically unjust? I don't think her support for mages fighting for their autonomy is wrong.

 

When you fight for a flag you invite those that fight against it or view it with negative feeling to speak against said defenders.

 

Doesn't help that Xil's a noted extremist for her faction either.