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[LobselVith8]

Nah, Xil's defenses of mages hurting mages and instigating further harm to justify a defensive struggle that many mages don't want in the first place.
 
It really is an equivalent of telling a child that they are being beaten for their own good. As far as maternal complexes go, that goes far enough I feel comfortable in saying that 'wacky' is putting it very generously.

Where is it said most mages don't want to maintain their autonomy? If a war has broken out, I'd imagine a sufficient never of mages are willing to fight the templars to keep their freedom.

[Master Warder Z_]

Where is it said most mages don't want to maintain their autonomy? If a war has broken out, I'd imagine a sufficient never of mages are willing to fight the templars to keep their freedom.

 

Have you never heard of the Loyalist, Aequitarians  (the majority of the senior enchanter are within this party supposedly) and the Isolationists? Those loonies in the Liberitarian Fraternity are the only one who were actively pushing for this split, for this war.

 

I'd say its a safe assumption to assume a good deal of the majority of mages considering they don't fall into that little nutter club didn't want the Circle gone. 

 

Apparently "freedom" and what exactly it entails within Thedas isn't popular among mages, who knew.

[BlueMagitek]

Where is it said most mages don't want to maintain their autonomy? If a war has broken out, I'd imagine a sufficient never of mages are willing to fight the templars to keep their freedom.

Breaking down by Enchanter fraternity:

Isolationists : Probably just want to get out of the way and leave; they'll likely flee to the wilderness or simple villages to get away from everything.

Lucrosian : Yes, "fight", if by fight fight you mean make side deals and hide behind new patrons.

Resolutionists : Let the blood of mage and templar and random Chantry members, peasants, nobles and casteless turn the rivers red and flow through the streets!

Libertarians : Yes, fight for autonomy!

Loyalist : Yeah, no, we're going to go back to the Chantry and seek refuge there, kthnxbye.

Aequitarians : Split on what to do.

[Xilizhra]

Have you never heard of the Loyalist, Aequitarians  (the majority of the senior enchanter are within this party supposedly) and the Isolationists? Those loonies in the Liberitarian Fraternity are the only one who were actively pushing for this split, for this war.

 

I'd say its a safe assumption to assume a good deal of the majority of mages considering they don't fall into that little nutter club didn't want the Circle gone. 

 

Apparently "freedom" and what exactly it entails within Thedas isn't popular among mages, who knew.

The Aequitarians voted to support secession, and were stated in several pieces of lore across games to be moving away from the Loyalists and toward the Libertarians (who I'm fairly sure are the second biggest fraternity).

[EmissaryofLies]

It doesn't matter who wanted what, does it?

 

The templars are gearin' to kill, lobotomize or imprison every mage that they can. 

[LobselVith8]

Have you never heard of the Loyalist, Aequitarians  (the majority of the senior enchanter are within this party supposedly) and the Isolationists? Those loonies in the Liberitarian Fraternity are the only one who were actively pushing for this split, for this war.
 
I'd say its a safe assumption to assume a good deal of the majority of mages considering they don't fall into that little nutter club didn't want the Circle gone. 
 
Apparently "freedom" and what exactly it entails within Thedas isn't popular among mages, who knew.

And yet, there's somehow a war across the continent between mages and war.

[Dean_the_Young]

Where is it said most mages don't want to maintain their autonomy? If a war has broken out, I'd imagine a sufficient never of mages are willing to fight the templars to keep their freedom.

 

Autonomy is different from independence, and from being unwilling martyrs.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Aequitarians voted to support secession, and were stated in several pieces of lore across games to be moving away from the Loyalists and toward the Libertarians (who I'm fairly sure are the second biggest fraternity).

 

They voted when it didn't matter :/ That entire vote held among those ruins was an after thought anyway, Fiona had picked her fight and gotten her way by then.

 

The Templar host was assembled, They were all going to die.

 

Joining in for war when war has already been declared isn't agreeing with the ideology that started it.

 

And considering that even as of Asunder they were content to remain within the Circle and even argue against that lunatic Fiona i'd say that the Aequitarians maintained their own stance that is to say, Away from those insane ****ers that resulted in two circles being destroyed within a ten year period.

 

And i'd like to see a single shred of evidence supporting the notion that those loons had anything more then a base extremist following.

[Xilizhra]

Autonomy is different from independence, and from being unwilling martyrs.

I advocate for nothing that the mages themselves did not vote on.

[The Baconer]

Its not the same as being a mage, not even comparable they don't suffer the insidious corruption that comes along with it either.

 

What do they call those growths of red crystal **** then, accessories?

[Dean_the_Young]

That opinion shows up spontaneously quite often, so I doubt you'll have any trouble collecting it. In fact, this exchange started based directly on someone else comparing me to Meredith, so just click back a few pages.

 

And?

[Master Warder Z_]

Autonomy is different from independence, and from being unwilling martyrs.

 

While i don't want either to occur i acknowledge the difference and would certainly prefer Autonomy of the circle to full independence.

 

And i also agree Fiona and Anders sure do like to let the Mages do their dying for their ideals, even when they aren't shared by them.

 

Funny how that works among megalomaniacs.

[Master Warder Z_]

What do they call those growths of red crystal **** then, accessories?

 

According to the Golem yes, yes they are.

[KaiserShep]

They're quite slimming.

[LobselVith8]

Autonomy is different from independence, and from being unwilling martyrs.

Martyrs? I think a war entails a sufficient number of willing participants on both sides. It's not as though the mages are surrendering en mass to the templars.

[Dean_the_Young]

I advocate for nothing that the mages themselves did not vote on.

 

Now this, dear gal-chap, is a blatant lie. Or a horrific lapse in memory of your past positions.

 

Either way, it's false: you have supported on multiple occasions views, positions, and actions the mages have not collectively supported or deliberated on. Starting with Anders and moving on to your views of the fate of the Templars and the post-Inquisition mage society.

[EmissaryofLies]

It's all irrelevant. 

 

Templars don't care about what little gang a mage happens to belong to. He can come quietly and possibly be lobotomized or he can die. 

 

I wonder just how loyal those loyalists are. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Martyrs? I think a war entails a sufficient number of willing participants on both sides. It's not as though the mages are surrendering en mass to the templars.

 

Are you playing ignorant that the mages of Kirkwall did not wish for Anders to instigate their annulment to justify a mage rebellion? Or do you think, despite a complete lack of evidence, that the mages supported Anders' actions?

 

I'm normally not a picture-posting person, but now would actually be an appropriate time to break out the 'thank you Anders' caption photos.

[Master Warder Z_]

Martyrs? I think a war entails a sufficient number of willing participants on both sides. It's not as though the mages are surrendering en mass to the templars.

Not that we know anyway.

 

Pretty sure the Loyalists will.

 

._. I would honestly be shocked and awed if they didn't.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's all irrelevant. 

 

Templars don't care about what little gang a mage happens to belong to. He can come quietly and possibly be lobotomized or he can die. 

 

I wonder just how loyal those loyalists are. 

 

Still don't support the assertion that removing the emotions and connection to the fade from a mage is the same digging into some one's head with power tools.

 

I am pretty sure no one has died during a Tranquility rite, firstly.

 

Lobotomy? Several notable people died due it, including an artist whom i happen favor.

 

Its a subject that cuts deep.

[LobselVith8]

Are you playing ignorant that the mages of Kirkwall did not wish for Anders to instigate their annulment to justify a mage rebellion? Or do you think, despite a complete lack of evidence, that the mages supported Anders' actions?
 
I'm normally not a picture-posting person, but now would actually be an appropriate time to break out the 'thank you Anders' caption photos.

The war is taking place years after the events at Kirkwall, with other factors coming into play.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's all irrelevant. 

 

Templars don't care about what little gang a mage happens to belong to. He can come quietly and possibly be lobotomized or he can die. 

 

I wonder just how loyal those loyalists are. 

 

Pretty normally, all things considered. If your rational for fearing authority is the basis of what it could do to you, only anarchy will suffice: as it is, there's nothing stopping any other organization, even the mage collective, from doing the same things to a mage.

 

Of course, most people understand that loyal behavior isn't followed by a lobotomization and execution, even if they are possible at the hands of authority. And there isn't anything in particular in any DA media to suggest that has been a problem: not even Anders, hyperbolic as he is, claims that.

[Dean_the_Young]

The war is taking place years after the events at Kirkwall, with other factors coming into play.

 

Which has nothing to do with the point I was making, since the point I was making wasn't specific for the timeframe after the events of Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

Now this, dear gal-chap, is a blatant lie. Or a horrific lapse in memory of your past positions.

 

Either way, it's false: you have supported on multiple occasions views, positions, and actions the mages have not collectively supported or deliberated on. Starting with Anders and moving on to your views of the fate of the Templars and the post-Inquisition mage society.

Advocate. I can hardly do so for Anders' and Adrian's actions, as they've already been completed. As for the rest, I should have clarified: I haven't advocated anything you were referring to in the "possible crimes against mages" category that wasn't voted on (namely, pursuing the war against the templars).

 

Anders' actions are not something that I personally would have done had I had the ability to make that decision. Adrian... I've not been able to come up with an option that would have made things better.

 

 

Of course, most people understand that loyal behavior isn't followed by a lobotomization and execution, even if they are possible at the hands of authority. And there isn't anything in particular in any DA media to suggest that has been a problem: not even Anders, hyperbolic as he is, claims that.

As I recall, Gaider said something about anyone who surrendered during the Kirkwall Annulment being made Tranquil.

[Veruin]

 

I'm normally not a picture-posting person, but now would actually be an appropriate time to break out the 'thank you Anders' caption photos.

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FREEDOM FEELS LIKE DEATH!
 

This is the only one I have.  Since the caption just makes me laugh.