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[leaguer of one]

TK514 wrote...


No?  He's an escaped slave who hates mages.  In what way is he even remotely a Templar?  Did he join the Order?  Did he spend years as an initiate learning their proceedures, their reasonings, their operational rules?  Has he spent any time in a Circle, guarding mages, viewing them as people to be protected and protected against?  Seeing them as people he might have a crush on?  Seeing them as anything other than Denarius?

I mean in ability. He has high magic resistance and is power by the lyrium in his skin.

[SgtSteel91]

The very fact that The Kommander Shepard see's little to no value in being sympathetic to Mages shows that there is a uneven presentation of Templar-Mage Conflict.

Hopefully Inquisition will do better show Mages and Templars is equally gray lights so that if there is another choice to choose between the two then the answer isn't as immediate and sure for a lot of the players.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 03:45 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


When templars are flawed they are protecting world even if they are incpmetent about when mages are simple danger for the world with little positive traitis they caused only troubles in series many main and side quest is about dealing with crap that mage caused...

Outside of healing, their knowlege, and their support in war?
Again, the majority of mages are not walking bombs.

Yeah healing very limited as for fantasy ... haha what knowledge? yes because walking bomb that can turn into insane monster is very useful.Well lets compare help that mages done in series with all harm they did your part will end quickly my will take a long time so i reserve right to be grumpy...

Besides now we know who supported mages and was naive part...

Limited? A person can be highly damages from a dragon and the mage can heal them from that. For knowleges ...Have you even seen the library of the college of magi?

Snd for the last time very few mages turn into abominations.

Yes right as i saw mages can at best heal medium injures not heavy or poison... And what i have many books in my house that means that im genius?

"Snd for the last time very few mages turn into abominations."


yeas for example circle tower in ferelden oh no bad example o yeah circle mages in kirkwall crap another bad example i know baroness still bad...

1. It's not just medium injuries. And they do heal heavy injuries or poisons.
2. You cleary doing have a library of books in your home like the college of Magi. Added, you did not write most of them, like the college of magi.
3.You mean were some of the mages were forced by an abomination to be turned into an abomination? Note here: Forced. And that was a vast minority of the circle.

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

The very fact that The Kommander Shepard see's little to no value in being sympathetic to Mages shows that there is a uneven presentation of Templar-Mage Conflict.

Hopefully Inquisition will do better show Mages and Templars is equally gray lights so that if there is another choice to choose between the two then the answer isn't as immediate and sure for a lot of the players.

Please, his only excuse to side with the templars is that every mage will turn into an abomination. That hardly a perspective to support or argue for.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

1. It's not just medium injuries. And they do heal heavy injuries or poisons.
2. You cleary doing have a library of books in your home like the college of Magi. Added, you did not write most of them, like the college of magi.
3.You mean were some of the mages were forced by an abomination to be turned into an abomination? Note here: Forced. And that was a vast minority of the circle.

1.Not rly from that what i saw...
2.And what only mages have monopol on knowledge? we don't have to kill books only mages:devil:
3.And does that matter it only shows what 1 abomnation can do and 1 mage will take down every mage and that 1 mage that will fall is enough...

"And that was a vast minority of the circle."

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

The very fact that The Kommander Shepard see's little to no value in being sympathetic to Mages shows that there is a uneven presentation of Templar-Mage Conflict.

Hopefully Inquisition will do better show Mages and Templars is equally gray lights so that if there is another choice to choose between the two then the answer isn't as immediate and sure for a lot of the players.

Please, his only excuse to side with the templars is that every mage will turn into an abomination. That hardly a perspective to support or argue for.

my arguemt is in destruction and damage caused by mages do i have to point it please say no because there is alot of that... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 février 2014 - 03:50 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

1. It's not just medium injuries. And they do heal heavy injuries or poisons.
2. You cleary doing have a library of books in your home like the college of Magi. Added, you did not write most of them, like the college of magi.
3.You mean were some of the mages were forced by an abomination to be turned into an abomination? Note here: Forced. And that was a vast minority of the circle.

1.Not rly from that what i saw...
2.And what only mages have monopol on knowledge? we don't have to kill books only mages:devil:
3.And does that matter it only shows what 1 abomnation can do and 1 mage will take down every mage and that 1 mage that will fall is enough...

"And that was a vast minority of the circle."

Well, Uldred was no orinary abomination. He was a Pride Abomination possessed by a Pride Demon on this side of the Veil. He also had a few mages, not abominations just simply mages wanting freedom, who helped.

And yes, a vast minority. As told by everyone who was alive in the Circle.

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

1. It's not just medium injuries. And they do heal heavy injuries or poisons.
2. You cleary doing have a library of books in your home like the college of Magi. Added, you did not write most of them, like the college of magi.
3.You mean were some of the mages were forced by an abomination to be turned into an abomination? Note here: Forced. And that was a vast minority of the circle.

1.Not rly from that what i saw...
2.And what only mages have monopol on knowledge? we don't have to kill books only mages:devil:
3.And does that matter it only shows what 1 abomnation can do and 1 mage will take down every mage and that 1 mage that will fall is enough...

"And that was a vast minority of the circle."

Your arguments make no sense. 

As for your constant use of abominations and mages being ticking time bombs by virtue of existence...

[dragonflight288]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

1. It's not just medium injuries. And they do heal heavy injuries or poisons.
2. You cleary doing have a library of books in your home like the college of Magi. Added, you did not write most of them, like the college of magi.
3.You mean were some of the mages were forced by an abomination to be turned into an abomination? Note here: Forced. And that was a vast minority of the circle.

1.Not rly from that what i saw...
2.And what only mages have monopol on knowledge? we don't have to kill books only mages:devil:
3.And does that matter it only shows what 1 abomnation can do and 1 mage will take down every mage and that 1 mage that will fall is enough...

"And that was a vast minority of the circle."

Well, Uldred was no orinary abomination. He was a Pride Abomination possessed by a Pride Demon on this side of the Veil. He also had a few mages, not abominations just simply mages wanting freedom, who helped.

And yes, a vast minority. As told by everyone who was alive in the Circle.

This. According to Wynne, it was only the Senior Enchanters who were in that room.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EntropicAngel wrote...

DooomCookie wrote...

Mage-sympathisers find it unbalanced in favour of the templars.
Templar-sympathisers find it unbalanced in favour of the mages.
The writers seems to be doing something right.

Yep, pretty much.

Yeah. Asunder in my opinion showed that there was no good or evil side. It was two sides trapped in a cycle of hatred or resentment towards each other.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 17 février 2014 - 03:53 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

The very fact that The Kommander Shepard see's little to no value in being sympathetic to Mages shows that there is a uneven presentation of Templar-Mage Conflict.

Hopefully Inquisition will do better show Mages and Templars is equally gray lights so that if there is another choice to choose between the two then the answer isn't as immediate and sure for a lot of the players.

Please, his only excuse to side with the templars is that every mage will turn into an abomination. That hardly a perspective to support or argue for.

my arguemt is in destruction and damage caused by mages do i have to point it please say no because there is alot of that... 

And you ignore that fact that the vast majorty of mages don't do that damage. Your argument is like saying all gun owners should be locked up because one may shoot someone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Leaguer

I'll take this as a no on helping my thread out by your post bumping it? If so, that's fine.

[leaguer of one]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Leaguer

I'll take this as a no on helping my thread out by your post bumping it? If so, that's fine.

I can't. I don't have acccess to the me3 borads. I like to but I don't have that ability.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 17 février 2014 - 03:58 .

[SgtSteel91]

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Leaguer

I'll take this as a no on helping my thread out by your post bumping it? If so, that's fine.

I can't. I don't have acccess to the me3 borads. I like to but I doing have that ability.

Same here. I have a copy but can't for some reason synch it to this account.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 03:57 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Well, Uldred was no orinary abomination. He was a Pride Abomination possessed by a Pride Demon on this side of the Veil. He also had a few mages, not abominations just simply mages wanting freedom, who helped.

And yes, a vast minority. As told by everyone who was alive in the Circle.

well did you missed abomnations in tower or demons that controled templars simple demon seeks to bring more abomnations and destruction yes he was powerful but other kind of abomination are still powerful best example what even child abomnation can do...

And not rly minority many were dead many was walking in circle as abomnation small group with wynne ,mage in closet and irving that everyone if i recall...

dragonflight288 wrote...


Your arguments make no sense. 

As for your constant use of abominations and mages being ticking time bombs by virtue of existence...

How it doesn't not make sense?

Are mages ticking bomb that can be possesed at any moment of their life yes...
is 1 mage who turned into abomnation enough to take over entire circle of magi and turn them into abomnation answer is yes.
Do we want zombie/abomination apocalypse i guess not...
thats my arguments...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Leaguer

I'll take this as a no on helping my thread out by your post bumping it? If so, that's fine.

I can't. I don't have acccess to the me3 borads. I lkie to but I doing have that ability.

Really? That's interesting. Ah well, I appreciate the sentiment regardless.In fact, I'll try to copy and paste it for you.

[Grieving Natashina]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm generally slightly more sympathetic to a templar perspective, but yeah I don't think they've done a good job making the conflict seem equal. At least in the major decision points. In Origins and in DA 2 actually. In Origins, there isn't really a Templar/Mage conflict at all. There's the paranoid ramblings of one traumatized templar that actually sound sillier now that I know more about Dragon Age lore than it did when I first played the game vs the kidnapped mages you were already on a quest to rescue from the demons. If you leave the decision up to the actual leader of the Templars, he just dismisses Cullen out of hand and rightfully so. In essence it's siding with the Circle and ergo siding with both mages AND templars or killing all the mages.

And in Dragon Age 2, they set up the final decision to be basically unrelated to the larger Mage-Templar conflict. Do I think mages should be free? Do templars treat mages unfairly? Do I condone Anders terrorism? It doesn't matter because Meredith's actions don't really address any of that. So naturally I sided against the person killing people for an unrelated person's crime. Even my one Hawke that sided with Meredith did so because she forced his hand and would have preferred not to.

Plus Orsino is portrayed as reasonable until after you've made your choice, while Meredith is portrayed as antagonistic, power hungry and paranoid. Even the pro-order characters like Aveline have issues with the templars before the end.

This is a brilliant take on the issue and one I agree with completely.  Thanks so much for posting this! 

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Well, Uldred was no orinary abomination. He was a Pride Abomination possessed by a Pride Demon on this side of the Veil. He also had a few mages, not abominations just simply mages wanting freedom, who helped.

And yes, a vast minority. As told by everyone who was alive in the Circle.

well did you missed abomnations in tower or demons that controled templars simple demon seeks to bring more abomnations and destruction yes he was powerful but other kind of abomination are still powerful best example what even child abomnation can do...

And not rly minority many were dead many was walking in circle as abomnation small group with wynne ,mage in closet and irving that everyone if i recall...

dragonflight288 wrote...


Your arguments make no sense. 

As for your constant use of abominations and mages being ticking time bombs by virtue of existence...

How it doesn't not make sense?

Are mages ticking bomb that can be possesed at any moment of their life yes...
is 1 mage who turned into abomnation enough to take over entire circle of magi and turn them into abomnation answer is yes.
Do we want zombie/abomination apocalypse i guess not...
thats my arguments...

1. Again , that was the vast minority. Did yo miss all the blood mages killing most of the normal mages that fought back. And the mages that tried to fight back but were capture by the sloth demon?

2.The fact that the majority of mages don't turn into abomination means your arguement makes no sense.

[SgtSteel91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Are mages ticking bomb that can be possesed at any moment of their life yes...
is 1 mage who turned into abomnation enough to take over entire circle of magi and turn them into abomnation answer is yes.
Do we want zombie/abomination apocalypse i guess not...
thats my arguments...

Mages are tempted every time they sleep, and maybe tempted when they are awake too if they are unlucky.
But are all mages going to eventually surcumb to those temptations?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Leaguer

I'll take this as a no on helping my thread out by your post bumping it? If so, that's fine.

I can't. I don't have acccess to the me3 borads. I like to but I doing have that ability.

Same here. I have a copy but can't for some reason synch it to this account.

As with leaguer, thank you for liking it. 

I should stop so this stays ontopic, but that thread is my pride and joy here. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

And you ignore that fact that the vast majorty of mages don't do that damage. Your argument is like saying all gun owners should be locked up because one may shoot someone.

Gun won't turn into insane unstoppable monset so i just love when peoples compare mage to gun...
And yes many do that damage intentionally or not but they do and best put to that 1 mage is enough to create huge disaster or cross end of the world point...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Well, Uldred was no orinary abomination. He was a Pride Abomination possessed by a Pride Demon on this side of the Veil. He also had a few mages, not abominations just simply mages wanting freedom, who helped.

And yes, a vast minority. As told by everyone who was alive in the Circle.

well did you missed abomnations in tower or demons that controled templars simple demon seeks to bring more abomnations and destruction yes he was powerful but other kind of abomination are still powerful best example what even child abomnation can do...

And not rly minority many were dead many was walking in circle as abomnation small group with wynne ,mage in closet and irving that everyone if i recall...

I did not miss them. As said earlier, those were forced possessions which effect mages and nonmages alike.

And I'm not going to even start with the "I don't see them, therefore they don't exist" thing again. If you side with the mages, you clearly see at least a humdred marching when the armies gather.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

And you ignore that fact that the vast majorty of mages don't do that damage. Your argument is like saying all gun owners should be locked up because one may shoot someone.

Gun won't turn into insane unstoppable monset so i just love when peoples compare mage to gun...
And yes many do that damage intentionally or not but they do and best put to that 1 mage is enough to create huge disaster or cross end of the world point...

Have you not seen the Zimmerman case?
Back on topic: The point is it illogical to punish a group for something a few do.
Mage are no forces of destructions that do thing s just because. Very fem even becaome abominations.

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Are mages ticking bomb that can be possesed at any moment of their life yes...
is 1 mage who turned into abomnation enough to take over entire circle of magi and turn them into abomnation answer is yes.
Do we want zombie/abomination apocalypse i guess not...
thats my arguments...

Mages are tempted every time they sleep, and maybe tempted when they are awake too if they are unlucky.
But are all mages going to eventually surcumb to those temptations?

Mages arn't tempted when they sleep. They are just aware of the fade when they sleep.