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[TheKomandorShepard]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Mages are tempted every time they sleep, and maybe tempted when they are awake too if they are unlucky.
But are all mages going to eventually surcumb to those temptations?

From what we saw it isn't just give me your soul and i will give you 1 $ it is more about mind control merril despite being trained fall to that problem is also that peoples are flawed and demons use flaws like pride or desire so it isn't so hard to end as possesed as we saw... not every mage will end possessed but every can and consequences of that can be devastating like in circle where many mages ended as abomnations or connor damn child who created small army of undead... then we have corruption and carelessness of mages that cause disaster like zathrian , avernus or most blood mages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

And you ignore that fact that the vast majorty of mages don't do that damage. Your argument is like saying all gun owners should be locked up because one may shoot someone.

Gun won't turn into insane unstoppable monset so i just love when peoples compare mage to gun...
And yes many do that damage intentionally or not but they do and best put to that 1 mage is enough to create huge disaster or cross end of the world point...

Have you not seen the Zimmerman case?
Back on topic: The point is it illogical to punish a group for something a few do.
Mage are no forces of destructions that do thing s just because. Very fem even becaome abominations.

As for the "guns won't cause huge disaster" part, I point to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Where by a single shot, the world was thrown into a World War.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 17 février 2014 - 04:07 .

[SgtSteel91]

leaguer of one wrote...

Mages arn't tempted when they sleep. They are just aware of the fade when they sleep.

But don't demons use that awarness to get mages to make a deal with them? Isn't that why the Harrowing exisit, to artificially create a scenario where a Mage confronts a demon in the Fade to test if they can resist it?

[KaiserShep]

Boy, it's a good thing mages didn't invent soap. Imagine how much blame they'd get for all the deaths caused by slipping on them in the tub.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 février 2014 - 04:11 .

[SgtSteel91]

It's less a conversation and more of an argument. Which get's nowhere.

I not intentionally trying to start arguments but get an idea where other's views are in this topic.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 04:12 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


I did not miss them. As said earlier, those were forced possessions which effect mages and nonmages alike.

And I'm not going to even start with the "I don't see them, therefore they don't exist" thing again. If you side with the mages, you clearly see at least a humdred marching when the armies gather.

And that only proves that only 1 possession is enough to create more abomnations... besides there was more mages outside circle... 

leaguer of one wrote...


Have you not seen the Zimmerman case?
Back on topic: The point is it illogical to punish a group for something a few do.
Mage are no forces of destructions that do thing s just because. Very fem even becaome abominations.

Not rly as i said ferelden/kirkwall circle shows perefectly how much damage can done 1 mage even not intentionally and we saw very much of that as i said do we can say what mage will cause that or not no we can... so killing mages is like killing walking nuclear bombs before they will explode...
And now as far series show us otherwise we often meet abomnations and lets stop here...

leaguer of one wrote...
Mages arn't tempted when they sleep. They are just aware of the fade when they sleep.

Yep they are if they weren't problem with mages would be non-existan as demon would tempt mage only when mage is in fade so don't go into fade and there is no problem...

KaiserShep wrote...

Boy, it's a good thing mages didn't
invent soap. Imagine how much blame they'd get for all the deaths caused
by slipping on them in the tub.

yes lets compare deadly blight that created monsters and killed millions (and that only 1 thing) to creating soap

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 février 2014 - 04:16 .

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Mages arn't tempted when they sleep. They are just aware of the fade when they sleep.

But don't demons use that awarness to get mages to make a deal with them? Isn't that why the Harrowing exisit, to artificially create a scenario where a Mage confronts a demon in the Fade to test if they can resist it?

If mages were tempted by demon in their dreams...Wouldn't most mages turn to abominations way before the Harrowing. Yes, the temptations are there but not in consistantly.

[dragonflight288]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

And you ignore that fact that the vast majorty of mages don't do that damage. Your argument is like saying all gun owners should be locked up because one may shoot someone.

Gun won't turn into insane unstoppable monset so i just love when peoples compare mage to gun...
And yes many do that damage intentionally or not but they do and best put to that 1 mage is enough to create huge disaster or cross end of the world point...

Have you not seen the Zimmerman case?
Back on topic: The point is it illogical to punish a group for something a few do.
Mage are no forces of destructions that do thing s just because. Very fem even becaome abominations.

As for the "guns won't cause huge disaster" part, I point to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Where by a single shot, the world was thrown into a World War.

Why don't we lock me up then? I'm a gun-owner and proud of it. 

EDIT Adding on to this. 

If mages were tempted by demon in their dreams...Wouldn't most mages turn to abominations way before the Harrowing. Yes, the temptations are there but not in consistantly.

I have made that argument before. No one really listened when I asked why we don't see more 6 year old abominations beyond Connor, who was driven to desperation to help his father and hadn't actually been given a decent magical education. 

Modifié par dragonflight288, 17 février 2014 - 04:16 .

[SgtSteel91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yep they are if they weren't problem with mages would be non-existan as demon would tempt mage only when mage is in fade so don't go into fade and there is no problem...

Ah, the solution to every Nightmare on Elm Street movie the teenagers try: don't sleep so Freddie doesn't kill you in your dream.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 04:17 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


I did not miss them. As said earlier, those were forced possessions which effect mages and nonmages alike.

And I'm not going to even start with the "I don't see them, therefore they don't exist" thing again. If you side with the mages, you clearly see at least a humdred marching when the armies gather.

And that only proves that only 1 possession is enough to create more abomnations... besides there was more mages outside circle... 

leaguer of one wrote...


Have you not seen the Zimmerman case?
Back on topic: The point is it illogical to punish a group for something a few do.
Mage are no forces of destructions that do thing s just because. Very fem even becaome abominations.

Not rly as i said ferelden/kirkwall circle shows perefectly how much damage can done 1 mage even not intentionally and we saw very much of that as i said do we can say what mage will cause that or not no we can... so killing mages is like killing walking nuclear bombs before they will explode...
And now as far series show us otherwise we often meet abomnations and lets stop here...

leaguer of one wrote...
Mages arn't tempted when they sleep. They are just aware of the fade when they sleep.

Yep they are if they weren't problem with mages would be non-existan as demon would tempt mage only when mage is in fade so don't go into fade and there is no problem...

1. No it does not because one mages does not do as much damage as you say they do and few become abominations.

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

It's less a conversation and more of an argument. Which get's nowhere.

I not intentionally trying to start arguments but get an idea where other's views are in this topic.

My viewpoint is easy yet complex. I'm Pro-Compromise.

[dragonflight288]

 

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

[SgtSteel91]

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

[dragonflight288]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

Ah, but then by playing Devil's Advocate, I can bring up Connor and how he says "the nice lady" came to him in his dreams. 

Yet he is the only known child abomination to date. 

[SgtSteel91]

dragonflight288 wrote...
I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

Woah woah woah, where does it say that Templars are as aware when they dream as mages are?

But an answer I guess is because their power comes from Lyrium, not the Fade. It's going to run out eventually.

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

*Points to Conner.

Sorry, not good enough.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...
1. No it does not because one mages does not do as much damage as you say they do and few become abominations.

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

circle in ferelden , avernus , baroness ,blights , connor , army of harvesters , abomnations , tevinter , blood mages ,zathrian curse ,quentin , grace , tarohne , weaken veils , circle in kirkwall and many others...

Because demon have to search for mage? (daa demon said that it was waiting entire life for human mage)

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 février 2014 - 04:26 .

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

Ah, but then by playing Devil's Advocate, I can bring up Connor and how he says "the nice lady" came to him in his dreams. 

Yet he is the only known child abomination to date. 

Meredith's sister.

[dragonflight288]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

Woah woah woah, where does it say that Templars are as aware when they dream as mages are?

But an answer I guess is because their power comes from Lyrium, not the Fade. It's going to run out eventually.

They aren't aware as mages are, but mages are only aware when they use lyrium to enter the Fade, or blood magic.

And their power coming from lyrium doesn't change the fact that templars, knights like Ser Perth, kings, Grand Clerics, and pretty much anyone who isn't a dwarf go to the Fade every single night when they dream. 

The Fade is a realm of dreams, and everyone, from a Cousland Warden or Loghain to the mages and templars go there, unless they're dwarves, when they have a dream.

[SgtSteel91]

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

Ah, but then by playing Devil's Advocate, I can bring up Connor and how he says "the nice lady" came to him in his dreams. 

Yet he is the only known child abomination to date. 

Meredith's sister.

Ah. Thank you. Slipped my mind. 

Okay. Two known child abominations. 

[dragonflight288]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

Perhaps because they arn't worth possessing until their powers have develped later in life when they are older and have nurtured their power in the Cricle or elsewhere?

Ah, but then by playing Devil's Advocate, I can bring up Connor and how he says "the nice lady" came to him in his dreams. 

Yet he is the only known child abomination to date. 

Meredith's sister.

Ah. Thank you. Slipped my mind. 

Okay. Two known child abominations. 

There is also possibly Amalia, but it is unknown whether she was a mage or not.

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

Woah woah woah, where does it say that Templars are as aware when they dream as mages are?

But an answer I guess is because their power comes from Lyrium, not the Fade. It's going to run out eventually.

If you talk to justice, he'll tell you lyrium is connect to the fade. In fact the spirit in the place that house's Urn of Ashes is in a Mountian  with a massive lyrium vein.

[TEWR]

Ah, but then by playing Devil's Advocate, I can bring up Connor and how he says "the nice lady" came to him in his dreams.

Yet he is the only known child abomination to date.

He was also the son of an arl. Political power is still power.