Not a difficult solution. Mages that are undoubtedly dangerous due to intent or incompetence stay in the circle.
Dangerous meaning ineptitude in the mastery of their powers or weak in the eyes of the demon. Of course some may slip through the cracks as a system is not without its flaws.
I still think if you are a mage you have to go to the circle and you have to check in twice a year is mandatory for me. Mages in cooperation with templars and some 3rd group is what I have been espousing for a while now, I am perfectly fine with the freedom aspect-as long as they check in and as long as they are trained in a tower until they pass their harrowing. Maybe that makes me seem narrowminded I don't know, but mandatory enrollment in what amounts to a Wizards college to learn to use your powers until you pass your apprenticeship with mandatory twice a year conferences doesn't sound that horrible.
The problem is enforcement.
You've got your hedge mage living in a remote area, and there's some natural disaster with many injuries and damage that the hedge mage is needed to help with, so she doesn't make the trip to the Circle to "check in." Would you send a squad of Templars to drag her out of the hospital at sword point to enforce your mandatory participation policy? Will you waste time and effort trying to track down the witches of the wilds? Will you harass the keepers?
If you want maximum buy-in from the mages (which is the only way I can see to achieve a permanent solution) then you cannot have a templar gestapo as an enforcement mechanism, it just won't fly.
I am a staunch Pro Templar but that doesn't mean i don't get the argument for having less restrictions on circle mages and the circle it self.
But i also look at the current circle and i see why it has failed, it has failed because those restrictions were loosened, if you cannot contain both magic and mage the practice becomes pointless, And any allowance given to the Mages must be carefully measured and controlled else you end up with knowledge and idea's spreading that really shouldn't be there to begin with.
The Circle doesn't have to be a prison but it has to be an institution that once entered, the mage is beholden to it for the reminder of their life, whether they live and work there or no.
And I'd agree except what else are to be done with those who fail if they actually survive? Do you want such a weak mage to roam free? By this point they have received at least several years worth of magical education for the most part, granting them further power with out tempering them against demonic influence ultimately to me seems a bad idea.
Their is no such thing as pro-templars as nobody i ever encountered is pro ignorance and pro weakness . he templars will always fail in their task that is not their fault simply lack the ability to magic. When you realise that you will no longer be pro ignorance
And I'd agree except what else are to be done with those who fail if they actually survive? Do you want such a weak mage to roam free? By this point they have received at least several years worth of magical education for the most part, granting them further power with out tempering them against demonic influence ultimately to me seems a bad idea.
I agree that they shouldn't be walking around freely, but maybe go through a couple more years of training? Something to build their will up?
I think that maybe most of the mages that fail the Harrowing are just really naive, really really naive. It's easy to see how they could be persuaded into letting the demon out. If I recall correctly, after you slay the Rage Demon, the guy that we know as "Mouse" wanted to come back out with you. He didn't say, for instance; "Hey! Let me inside of you and I will fuel you with unimaginable power and together we can take down the Circle of Magi." No, he was nice and helpful and even pitiful. It wasn't the way it was with Anders/Justice. A lot of the mages probably need more time to boost their will or learn their wits.
Corrupting yourself into such a thing merely combat the threat of it is a noble thing.
What a finely crafted Abomination analogue.
Sorry, Adrian has already show her cards as an all or nothing person. Fiona might, but due to her lack of ability to place nice when people are trying to help her I seriously doubt it.
But we are probably going to fail altogether, because I am expecting the Chantry to be in lock step with my inquisitor in achieving this. I believe that it was a long term goal of Justina and what she was moving towards.
Take out the Chantry's influence and Tranquility, and Adrian should be all right with it. And Fiona almost certainly as well.
Will the templars accept their being completely disbanded as an order? Less likely.
You think crafting a faction we yet know nothing about into a political strawman will deter me from my perspective?
To me? Those Templars are the real victims of Magic in DAI, Corrupting yourself into such a thing merely combat the threat of it is a noble thing.
Pull the other one, it's got bells on!
Their is no such thing as pro-templars as nobody i ever encountered is pro ignorance and pro weakness . he templars will always fail in their task that is not their fault simply lack the ability to magic. When you realise that you will no longer be pro ignorance
Mmm when you realize that promoting anarchy, mass enslavement and chaos isn't a good thing.
My perspective may seem more familiar to you.
Pull the other one, it's got bells on!
Don't get the meaning.
Fiona doesn't have the sense to make alliances, Her lunacy knows no bounds.
Except any none-templar in the franchise has adored her when they met her. You can have your opinion but the opinion of in-game characters is more important than yours because your opinion has no impact at all where as opinion of the divine does matter. So mention that she is a lunatic in your opinion because you can't shove it as a fact. We have yet to see Fiona commit anything immoral. That said she did no even want total mage freedom but wanted mages to rule the circles all by themselves aka separation from chantry.
She is also the strongest mage we have been introduced to and she is not possessed or something odd like Flemeth and she has been free all her life. This shows how pathetic circles are under chantry control. She has vanquished brood mothers and grey wardens admitted that without her magic they would have failed many of their missions. She also somehow cured her taint.
Fiona is one of the good ones and I always suspected she is an author's favorite, I could be wrong though but there are certainly signs.
What a finely crafted Abomination analogue.
Hardly, for one red Lyrium doesn't compare to demonic possession.
It's ultimately just a more refined, higher grade of Lyrium, it has degenerative effects though certainly, But it isn't the same as having your mind sundered by a soul sucking fade spirit either.
Mmm when you realize that promoting anarchy, mass enslavement and chaos isn't a good thing.
My perspective may seem more familiar to you.
And you cannot prevent of these if your weak and ignorant. chantry and the templars love both. The fact is the templars have failed. thats why the inquisition exists.
Take out the Chantry's influence and Tranquility, and Adrian should be all right with it. And Fiona almost certainly as well.
Will the templars accept their being completely disbanded as an order? Less likely.
Again I have no intention of disbanding the templars. My whole point is to remove the extremist so that both sides can actually hear each other talk. And yes, in dire situations Tranquility would still be used and no, Adrian is all or nothing, her character doesn't allow compromise. And again I fully expect the chantry to be a useful tool in achieving this. I see no reason to stand against something just because its past role. A progressive thougthful Divine would be a great ally in achieving my plan.
The problem is enforcement.
You've got your hedge mage living in a remote area, and there's some natural disaster with many injuries and damage that the hedge mage is needed to help with, so she doesn't make the trip to the Circle to "check in." Would you send a squad of Templars to drag her out of the hospital at sword point to enforce your mandatory participation policy? Will you waste time and effort trying to track down the witches of the wilds? Will you harass the keepers?
If you want maximum buy-in from the mages (which is the only way I can see to achieve a permanent solution) then you cannot have a templar gestapo as an enforcement mechanism, it just won't fly.
Of course there would be allowance. Heck maybe you would do it by having templar/circle outposts away from the main circle for doing some of this. I am just hitting the broad strokes, but I cannot see a resolution where mages are required to be trained and don't have a minimum degree of oversight with them.
Hardly, for one red Lyrium doesn't compare to demonic possession.
It's ultimately just a more refined, higher grade of Lyrium, it has degenerative effects though certainly, But it isn't the same as having your mind sundered by a soul sucking fade spirit either.
Delusional? we have already seen the effects on merdith.
I wonder why people think the mages are in a position to be making demands.
IIRC at the end of DA2 they were at best reeling from the attempted annulment and the rest of the Circles decided to separate in the events of Asunder.
Correct me if I am wrong, but there hasn't been much in the way of actual campaigns or battles yet. And when it comes to this the edge goes to the infinitely more prepared templars
Don't get the meaning.
It means I think you are "pulling my leg" - trying to figuratively trip me into, in this instance, arguing with an assertion which you were less than sincere in making.
In other words, I'm calling BS on your "poor poor pitiful red templars" schtick.
Again I have no intention of disbanding the templars. My whole point is to remove the extremist so that both sides can actually hear each other talk. And yes, in dire situations Tranquility would still be used and no, Adrian is all or nothing, her character doesn't allow compromise. And again I fully expect the chantry to be a useful tool in achieving this. I see no reason to stand against something just because its past role. A progressive thougthful Divine would be a great ally in achieving my plan.
Then all I can do is hope that this cannot be implemented in-game, as I believe the story should move on from that.
Hardly, for one red Lyrium doesn't compare to demonic possession.
It's ultimately just a more refined, higher grade of Lyrium, it has degenerative effects though certainly, But it isn't the same as having your mind sundered by a soul sucking fade spirit either.
Amusingly Meredith was more vile and destructive than any abomination we have seen. Wow you do a great job of convincing yourself. Because the only red templar we have seen was above any abomination. Imagine the rest of them we are going to meet.
Except any none-templar in the franchise has adored her when they met her. You can have your opinion but the opinion of in-game characters is more important than yours because your opinion has no impact at all where as opinion of the divine does matter. So mention that she is a lunatic in your opinion because you can't shove it as a fact. We have yet to see Fiona commit anything immoral. That said she did no even want total mage freedom but wanted mages to rule the circles all by themselves aka separation from chantry.
She is also the strongest mage we have been introduced to and she is not possessed or something odd like Flemeth and she has been free all her life. This shows how pathetic circles are under chantry control. She has vanquished brood mothers and grey wardens admitted that without her magic they would have failed many of their missions. She also somehow cured her taint.
Fiona is one of the good ones and I always suspected she is an author's favorite, I could be wrong though but there are certainly signs.
1. There is nothing stating she has cured herself of the taint, Many Gray Wardens lived long past the thirty years Alistair commented on which Gaider later stated was just a rough guess anyway that wasn't entirely accurate to begin with. So she is in all likelihood still tainted.
2. There is nothing suggesting that the Grand Enchanter is "by far the most powerful mage we have been introduced to" The title doesn't automatically indicate strength, Her loony fraternity probably just mind controlled the rest of the conclave into voting her in.
3. Yet to commit anything immoral? What do you define as immorality? Do you think treason is immoral? Do you think picking a fight despite it not being the wishes of the majority of your peers to be immoral? Do you think forcing your own kind into a life or death situation for beliefs they don't share is immoral? She's an egomaniac more then a loon i grant you.
4. Gaider hasn't commented on many characters individually as being his favorite and i don't blame him.
Hardly, for one red Lyrium doesn't compare to demonic possession.
It's ultimately just a more refined, higher grade of Lyrium, it has degenerative effects though certainly, But it isn't the same as having your mind sundered by a soul sucking fade spirit either.
The red monster wearing a templar's uniform could have fooled me.
Meredith leaping around like a super saiyan and bringing statues to life could have fooled me.
Tell me again how it does not compare to demonic possession.
Except any none-templar in the franchise has adored her when they met her. You can have your opinion but the opinion of in-game characters is more important than yours because your opinion has no impact at all where as opinion of the divine does matter. So mention that she is a lunatic in your opinion because you can't shove it as a fact. We have yet to see Fiona commit anything immoral. That said she did no even want total mage freedom but wanted mages to rule the circles all by themselves aka separation from chantry.
She is also the strongest mage we have been introduced to and she is not possessed or something odd like Flemeth and she has been free all her life. This shows how pathetic circles are under chantry control. She has vanquished brood mothers and grey wardens admitted that without her magic they would have failed many of their missions. She also somehow cured her taint.
Fiona is one of the good ones and I always suspected she is an author's favorite, I could be wrong though but there are certainly signs.
Ah, you're missing the fact that to Z, any mage is a lunatic, a walking bomb, and is just biding her time waiting for the right moment to summon a demon using blood magic and CONTROL YOUR MIND! ARGHAUGH!!!!
And you cannot prevent of these if your weak and ignorant. chantry and the templars love both. The fact is the templars have failed. thats why the inquisition exists.
Are you done with your trite rambling yet?
Honestly the Pro Mage with the Anders image is at least attempting to be civil here.
Surprising that some one who obviously likes a madman terrorist is more tactful then you.
The red monster wearing a templar's uniform could have fooled me.
Meredith leaping around like a super saiyan and bringing statues to life could have fooled me.
Tell me again how it does not compare to demonic possession.
The fact it there is no demon involved for one? 
Except any none-templar in the franchise has adored her when they met her. You can have your opinion but the opinion of in-game characters is more important than yours because your opinion has no impact at all where as opinion of the divine does matter. So mention that she is a lunatic in your opinion because you can't shove it as a fact. We have yet to see Fiona commit anything immoral. That said she did no even want total mage freedom but wanted mages to rule the circles all by themselves aka separation from chantry.
She is also the strongest mage we have been introduced to and she is not possessed or something odd like Flemeth and she has been free all her life. This shows how pathetic circles are under chantry control. She has vanquished brood mothers and grey wardens admitted that without her magic they would have failed many of their missions. She also somehow cured her taint.
Fiona is one of the good ones and I always suspected she is an author's favorite, I could be wrong though but there are certainly signs.
I would say Morrigan is far more powerful than Fiona as is Flemeth and possibly Anders and Wynne-though you discount them as abominations. Heck even Merril is probably more powerful, Fiona is just a NPC she doesn't even rate party member hero status.
People who have adored her? Her comrades in the grey wardens who you would hope would adore the person who heals them and fights and dies next to them, Maric-who is known to fall in love with every female elf he meets, and Adrian who is the last person I would call as a character witness.
Wynne doesn't like her, I don't think Rhys particularly cares for her-he certainly doesn't adore her, I don't think the Architect adored her, Genevieve definatley doesn't adore her.
The fact it there is no demon involved for one?
Well, there's certainly something, given that it sings, speaks, and Meredith is heard talking to it.
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