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[EmissaryofLies]

Meredith's rampage took place in the presence of the PC, who also took down every abomination without a problem.

 

Just got a mental image of Meredith running around Kirkwall pointing at peasants and screaming "blood magic!".

[Divine Justinia V]

I don't believe that. I keep hearing it and I keep playing Dragon Age II(don't judge me) and I've yet to see this corrupted circle.

Corrupted meaning irredeemable, meaning overrun with blood mages, meaning prime for the right of annulment. It isn't there. Even on that hellmouth, there's no evidence that suggests that Kirkwall's Circle was corrupted.

 

If you meant a handful of blood mages, according to the gameplay a few of them are there(Mages that are labeled as being from the Circle and using blood magic). But does that mean the entirety of the circle is 'corrupted'? I do not believe so.

 

I do agree with you on this.

We can't assume all of those apostate-blood mages come from the circle because mages were being smuggled in elsewhere, as well. It'd be presumptuous to say that all of them came from Kirkwall CoM

[Steelcan]

I have cookies, who wants cookies?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ROFL. Connor needed an army of death. Uldred needed dozens of more abominations and we don't know much about Baroness but she sure summoned many demons.

 

Meredith needed no help. It was all her. It was VERY AMUSING when she died in the very moment when she asked for help from maker. There, your help came. Death to end your insanity.

Well, Meredith did have an army of Templars and when they abandoned her after she showed her true colors she did turn all the statues into golems.

[Divine Justinia V]

I have cookies, who wants cookies?

 

Cookies are gross.

[KaiserShep]

Cookies are gross.

 

You are dead to me!

 

Sten disapproves -20

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have cookies, who wants cookies?

 

[durasteel]

Justinia has lost control of the templars and with it most of her actual power.  She can't even keep order in the organizations supposedly under her control.

 

"by some chance in hell", how on earth are the disorganized, civilian, untrained, etc... mages going to go up against an actual military branch>

 

There will be mages after the revolt, those who decide that the Circle system is preferable to an early death

 

Most of Justinia's power comes from her the Chantry's alliances with Andrastean kingdoms and empires. When Philip and Clement disbanded the real Templars, there was no corresponding loss of power for the Pope or the Roman church, because that's not what drives a religion's influence (other than perhaps in a theocratic state.)

 

The Chantry serves as an opiate for the masses of Thedas, and helps provide social structure and the sense of legitimacy that keeps certain butts upon their inherited thrones. That's where Justinia's power comes from.

 

As for "an actual military branch," the only thing that kept them from being set on fire was what they could do with lyrium, which the Chantry is no longer providing. They turn to red lyrium as a replacement through some black market source (probably related to awakened darkspawn) and thereby kill themselves. 

 

Not only have the templars turned against the Chantry, they've started munching on the crazy crystals. It is a safe bet that every kingdom of Thedas will be joining with the Inquisition to wipe them out. 

[Divine Justinia V]

You are dead to me!

 

No

I just don't like sweets! Don't treat me like I'm a rebel-mage or something, I just dislike sweetness. I was born this way.

[Master Warder Z_]

1. Nope. She was no longer a grey warden so she joined the college of Enchanters. They have been never any grey wardens in the college.

 

2. Name a mage killing a brood mother on her own. Protagonist doesn't count ofc.

 

3. Very wrong. While Templar reinforcements arrived at Kirkwall to suppress further resistance, news from escaping mages of what had occurred spread to other Circles. Outraged that the templars of Kirkwall would invoke the Right of Annulment to justify the extermination of an entire Circle for the crimes of one apostate, some Circles revolted, while others were close to doing so. Only Dairsmuid circle was annulled. The other circles that revolted break free potentially meaning all Templars died in those circles.

 

1. It's assumption, Gaider has nothing about what has to been to this point an inescapable reality of being a Warden. In fact if you could find one shred of evidence to back up that somehow magically she has cured herself of something that has plagued the world for a thousand years or so i'd love to see it.

2. Name one time when Fiona assumed the Avatar of  High Dragon? Oh speaking of High Dragons what did she do during that entire battle? Oh wait, She buffed 

3. Are you just headcanning now? The circle of Ravain was anulled in 9:40 Dragon. It was until Asunder the only post kirkwall circle to rebel.

[Lulupab]

1. It's assumption, Gaider has nothing about what has to been to this point an inescapable reality of being a Warden. In fact if you could find one shred of evidence to back up that somehow magically she has cured herself of something that has plagued the world for a thousand years or so i'd love to see it.

2. Name one time when Fiona assumed the Avatar of  High Dragon? Oh speaking of High Dragons what did she do during that entire battle? Oh wait, She buffed 

3. Are you just headcanning now? The circle of Ravain was anulled in 9:40 Dragon. It was until Asunder the only post kirkwall circle to rebel.

 

Ok its official now, you lack knowledge. I suggest reading Asunder again. Rivain circle name was Dairsmuid and it was not the only circle that revolted. Many other did too and successfully.

 

You can go back and read the book again or feel free to take a look at wiki. Read The aftermath of the Kirkwall rebellion part, first paragraph:

http://dragonage.wik...age-Templar_War

 

The tranquility cure would have ease the tension but it was not allowed by certain people with issues.

[Steelcan]

No

I just don't like sweets! Don't treat me like I'm a rebel-mage or something, I just dislike sweetness. I was born this way.

 

You disappoint me

[renfrees]

Justinia, baby!

 

And if by some chance in hell that the templars "win", I wish the Chantry luck against the inevitable Qunari war.

 

I wonder if they'll find comfort in the Qun.

Hm, i think mages have far more reasons to fear the Qun and its impending war.

[Master Warder Z_]

I do agree with you on this.

We can't assume all of those apostate-blood mages come from the circle because mages were being smuggled in elsewhere, as well. It'd be presumptuous to say that all of them came from Kirkwall CoM

 

True its an assumption but so is assuming every blood mage is part of said plot even when its a very late game occurrence.

 

Do we know when they started shipping in blood mages? Do we know their Numbers? My point is, Blood magic was in that circle, It appeared again and again and again, through out the acts. Its no leap of faith to point out that it was obviously being taught from within.

[EmissaryofLies]

Justinia has lost control of the templars and with it most of her actual power.  She can't even keep order in the organizations supposedly under her control.

 

"by some chance in hell", how on earth are the disorganized, civilian, untrained, etc... mages going to go up against an actual military branch>

 

There will be mages after the revolt, those who decide that the Circle system is preferable to an early death

 

Missed this post.

 

You underestimate the Divine's influence for one. The Chantry may be toothless but it can always get dentures; call on allies. Cassandra's seekers also play a role.

 

As for 'by some chance in hell, as Xil has said in the past, it would serve absolutely zero purpose for the mages to end up back in their circles with that status quo restored. The entirety of the story arc will have been for absolutely nothing.

 

I also don't think it would be that easy or that simple. The conflict would last forever if the templars were to 'win'. Not every dog accepts his leash.

[Lulupab]

Do not forget there is still the possibility of Templars getting cerberus treatment. It already worries many people. The footage that showed Red Templars in action and the fact that Templars have no leader at least yet is a small evidence towards that. Hence the Uneven Presentation of the mage-templar conflict

[Divine Justinia V]

You disappoint me

 

Nnnnnnnnnnnnooooo, I already have so much against me with you! I prefer elves and mages, as it is   is there no redemption for me?

 

 

True its an assumption but so is assuming every blood mage is part of said plot even when its a very late game occurrence.

 

Do we know when they started shipping in blood mages? Do we know their Numbers? My point is, Blood magic was in that circle, It appeared again and again and again, through out the acts. Its no leap of faith to point out that it was obviously being taught from within.

 

I just don't understand how, besides Orsino, you can say it was actually in the Circle? Every mage we've seen thus far that was using blood magic was no longer a part of the Circle of Magi, they were wards of the Templars, if anything. 2 of the biggest blood mages didn't even belong to the Kirkwall Circle.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ok its official now, you lack knowledge. I suggest reading Asunder again. Rivain circle name was Dairsmuid and it was not the only circle that revolted. Many other did too and successfully.

 

You can go back and read the book again or feel free to take a look at wiki. Read The aftermath of the Kirkwall rebellion part, first paragraph:

http://dragonage.wik...age-Templar_War

 

The tranquility cure would have ease the tension but it was not allowed by certain people with issues.

I lack Knowledge? You mean i don't support my own headcanon over the lore.

 

1. Wow you mention the very circle i did, The one confirmed case were a circle rebelled how funny is that? 

2. Assumption, Assumption and Assumption, Even if i took the Wiki at it's word (I rarely do) I would point out that in Asunder it never revealed the state of the circles that had attempted to rebel and it implied no measure of success were it was mentioned.

3. I think we are just about done here.

[Steelcan]

Ending back at square one would actually be a pretty powerful message for the Templar/Mage issue, it is an endless cycle

[Master Warder Z_]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnooooo, I already have so much against me with you! I prefer elves and mages, as it is   is there no redemption for me?

 

 

 

I just don't understand how, besides Orsino, you can say it was actually in the Circle? Every mage we've seen thus far that was using blood magic was no longer a part of the Circle of Magi, they were wards of the Templars, if anything. 2 of the biggest blood mages didn't even belong to the Kirkwall Circle.

 

The Enchanters you run into while you are chasing down Thrask's Rebellion were all Blood Mages, The Mages accompanied by Grace were all blood mages...It was seemingly common among the circle there, You had Enchanter and Mage alike doing it, Ultimately the first enchanter was proven to be a blood mage, its just...How much rot can you look at before you just suspect the entire thing to be corrupted to the core?

[EmissaryofLies]

Hm, i think mages have far more reasons to fear the Qun and its impending war.

 

If there's any of them left if the templars win, of course.

 

It remains to be seen if the ones left submitting will even make a difference in said war.

 

Personally, I would find it absolutely hilarious if they lost to the Qun, resulting in their ultimate submission.

[Lulupab]

I lack Knowledge? You mean i don't support my own headcanon over the lore.

 

1. Wow you mention the very circle i did, The one confirmed case were a circle rebelled how funny is that? 

2. Assumption, Assumption and Assumption, Even if i took the Wiki at it's word (I rarely do) I would point out that in Asunder it never revealed the state of the circles that had attempted to rebel and it implied no measure of success were it was mentioned.

3. I think we are just about done here.

You know I meant Lambert with "certain people with issues" right? I hope Cole had his way with him. At least the eyes were beautiful.

 

Its not an Assumption. Do you think the meeting happened out of nowhere? It was made to prevent the war, the one that was already brewing all over Thedas.

[Steelcan]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnooooo, I already have so much against me with you! I prefer elves and mages, as it is   is there no redemption for me?

 

I'm fine with mages in general, and I am not incredibly pro-templar.

 

 

Elves are non-negotiable, freakin knife ears

[Master Warder Z_]

Ending back at square one would actually be a pretty powerful message for the Templar/Mage issue, it is an endless cycle

 

I wouldn't mind that one bit.

 

The circle system is the only way to go anyway.

[Divine Justinia V]

The Enchanters you run into while you are chasing down Thrask's Rebellion were all Blood Mages, The Mages accompanied by Grace were all blood mages...It was seemingly common among the circle there, You had Enchanter and Mage alike doing it, Ultimately the first enchanter was proven to be a blood mage, its just...How much rot can you look at before you just suspect the entire thing to be corrupted to the core?

 

True. But I think it's presumptuous on both parts to assume they did or did not learn it there. That's a big problem with this series, we have no actual eye witness accounts or codex facts about what goes on inside. We only see the outside.