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[SgtSteel91]

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alsowasplaugedwithdemonsandwasalmostcertaintobecomeachildabominationCOUGH

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 04:26 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

Because children are little demons already anyway. 

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

What about pre-teen abominations or teen abominations. Remeber the harrowing happens when they turn 20.

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

 

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

because first demons can't see non-mages in fade second they wouldn't be intrested in non-mages because demon want power and reach full potential that can only reach by possessing mage...

[dragonflight288]

There is also possibly Amalia, but it is unknown whether she was a mage or not.

That could also just as easily be explained that the demon, so desperate to get out of Wilhelm's cage, wanted to possess the very first person she came across and that was Amalia as her father was too scared to even go down there...which is ironic as him sharing his father's blood would not have activated any traps to begin with.

Demon lore also prove that demons often possess the very first thing they come across upon entering the mortal world, whether trees, animals, corpses, or people. Mages are not exclusive.

So yeah, Amalia may or may not have been a mage, but I don't think Kitty cared either way at that point.

[SgtSteel91]

dragonflight288 wrote...

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

They also want the power they had in the Fade, which depends on the Mage they possess. Child mages are less powerful than adult mages.

[dragonflight288]

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

What about pre-teen abominations or teen abominations. Remeber the harrowing happens when they turn 20.

Or until they are deemed ready. If they are considered weak or dangerous the Rite of Tranquility is forced upon them. 

[dragonflight288]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

They also want the power they had in the Fade, which depends on the Mage they possess. Child mages are less powerful than adult mages.

But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

[leaguer of one]

dragonflight288 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

What about pre-teen abominations or teen abominations. Remeber the harrowing happens when they turn 20.

Or until they are deemed ready. If they are considered weak or dangerous the Rite of Tranquility is forced upon them. 

But that still opens the chance for a demon to try and take them. Why don't demons do that?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 17 février 2014 - 04:31 .

[dragonflight288]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

 

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

because first demons can't see non-mages in fade second they wouldn't be intrested in non-mages because demon want power and reach full potential that can only reach by possessing mage...

Many do, should they be higher up in the demon hierarchy. Most demons simply seem to want to experience the mortal world. 

Source: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Fade

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dragonflight288 wrote...

There is also possibly Amalia, but it is unknown whether she was a mage or not.

That could also just as easily be explained that the demon, so desperate to get out of Wilhelm's cage, wanted to possess the very first person she came across and that was Amalia as her father was too scared to even go down there...which is ironic as him sharing his father's blood would not have activated any traps to begin with.

Demon lore also prove that demons often possess the very first thing they come across upon entering the mortal world, whether trees, animals, corpses, or people. Mages are not exclusive.

So yeah, Amalia may or may not have been a mage, but I don't think Kitty cared either way at that point.

Agreed. I was just listing another for the "Children who become Abominations" thing. 

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...
But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Not necessarily. Khedra seemed to hold an entire city in thrall for a decade, with none the wiser. That seems to say that some upper tier demons of pride or desire do understand the mortal world in some fashion.

[SgtSteel91]

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

They also want the power they had in the Fade, which depends on the Mage they possess. Child mages are less powerful than adult mages.

But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Let me amend that: the upper tire demons like Pride and Desire want the power they had in the Fade.

[leaguer of one]

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

They also want the power they had in the Fade, which depends on the Mage they possess. Child mages are less powerful than adult mages.

But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Good point ... A tree and a corpses is good enough but a mage child or teen is not be cause it's too weak or not ready? More then a tree?

[leaguer of one]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

And so that begs the question....Why haven't we seen more than two child abominations? If abominations are as common as Kommander would have us believe, then why isn't all of Thedas, pre-veil tear, overrun with demons possessing these children?

They also want the power they had in the Fade, which depends on the Mage they possess. Child mages are less powerful than adult mages.

But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Let me amend that: the upper tire demons like Pride and Desire want the power they had in the Fade.

But the lower tier won't try any mage?

[TheKomandorShepard]

dragonflight288 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

 

2.Mage go to the fade when they sleep. Expline why every mage is not an abomination.

I would also like to hear Kommander explain why every Templar isn't possessed either as they also go to the Fade every night when they sleep. 

because first demons can't see non-mages in fade second they wouldn't be intrested in non-mages because demon want power and reach full potential that can only reach by possessing mage...

Many do, should they be higher up in the demon hierarchy. Most demons simply seem to want to experience the mortal world. 

Source: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Fade

yes but first they can't see them so mage is only target that can be possessed by demon in fade so easiest way for demon is also most profitable for demon. Demon can possess non mage when demon is already outside fade either summoned by mage or through torn veil...

[SgtSteel91]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Not necessarily. Khedra seemed to hold an entire city in thrall for a decade, with none the wiser. That seems to say that some upper tier demons of pride or desire do understand the mortal world in some fashion.

And Merrill's demon also stated it knew how Eluvians were made. Demons want to experience the mortal world, but they can know how it workds; enought to tempt mages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Not necessarily. Khedra seemed to hold an entire city in thrall for a decade, with none the wiser. That seems to say that some upper tier demons of pride or desire do understand the mortal world in some fashion.

Don't demons get the memories of those they possess? I mean, the demon in Sophia remembered things and Justice had some things from Kristoff's corpse. If so, possessing a ruler could give them the knowledge on how to play the part.

[dragonflight288]

leaguer of one wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

What about pre-teen abominations or teen abominations. Remeber the harrowing happens when they turn 20.

Or until they are deemed ready. If they are considered weak or dangerous the Rite of Tranquility is forced upon them. 

But that still opens the chance for a demon to try and take them. Why don't demons do that?

That is the question, now isn't it. 

I have debated this for two or three years now, and have studied the codexes on magic and abominations more thoroughly than I have other codexes like elves, and there are no in-game answers.

I suppose the truth is we simply don't know enough about demons, and there hasn't been enough research into demonology, which should only be done under constant supervision given the dangerous nature of such research, but I think it is obvious that given the lack of abominations popping up whenever a mage goes to sleep that the danger isn't nearly as bad as Kommander or the Chantry dictate, but it obviously is a very real danger as there is no doubt demons do prey upon mages in their sleep, whether they be special cases like Feynriel or Conner, or that mage girl who was so scared of her sleep that she requested to be made tranquil. (I think it's an item description that makes her case.)

It could simply be that Dreamers are the mages in the most danger, and it may be possible that Meredith's sister and Connor are actually Dreamers like Feynriel.

Or I may be wrong, but it seems self-evident that mages aren't as in as much danger as some believe. 

[SgtSteel91]

leaguer of one wrote...

But the lower tier won't try any mage?

They can try but they probably do it in less manipulative ways than a Deisre of Pride Demon would. Probably brute force it.

[Hellion Rex]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Not necessarily. Khedra seemed to hold an entire city in thrall for a decade, with none the wiser. That seems to say that some upper tier demons of pride or desire do understand the mortal world in some fashion.

Don't demons get the memories of those they possess? I mean, the demon in Sophia remembered things and Justice had some things from Kristoff's corpse. If so, possessing a ruler could give them the knowledge on how to play the part.

True. Fair point. My belief is that demons do indeed have some understanding of the mortal plane, and that is what increases an inherent longing for them to experience the world.

[SgtSteel91]

eluvianix wrote...

True. Fair point. My belief is that demons do indeed have some understanding of the mortal plane, and that is what increases an inherent longing for them to experience the world.

Don't they get glimpses of the mortal world from dreams and try to create their own twisted version of it in the Fade?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 17 février 2014 - 04:40 .

[TEWR]

Yes.

[leaguer of one]

dragonflight288 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

COUGHmeredith'ssisterwasalsoachildabominationCOUGH

Just because child mages are not as good as adult mages doesn't mean demons won't go for them.

What about pre-teen abominations or teen abominations. Remeber the harrowing happens when they turn 20.

Or until they are deemed ready. If they are considered weak or dangerous the Rite of Tranquility is forced upon them. 

But that still opens the chance for a demon to try and take them. Why don't demons do that?

That is the question, now isn't it. 

I have debated this for two or three years now, and have studied the codexes on magic and abominations more thoroughly than I have other codexes like elves, and there are no in-game answers.

I suppose the truth is we simply don't know enough about demons, and there hasn't been enough research into demonology, which should only be done under constant supervision given the dangerous nature of such research, but I think it is obvious that given the lack of abominations popping up whenever a mage goes to sleep that the danger isn't nearly as bad as Kommander or the Chantry dictate, but it obviously is a very real danger as there is no doubt demons do prey upon mages in their sleep, whether they be special cases like Feynriel or Conner, or that mage girl who was so scared of her sleep that she requested to be made tranquil. (I think it's an item description that makes her case.)

It could simply be that Dreamers are the mages in the most danger, and it may be possible that Meredith's sister and Connor are actually Dreamers like Feynriel.

Or I may be wrong, but it seems self-evident that mages aren't as in as much danger as some believe. 

*Inseption horn*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

eluvianix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
But demons seem to be woefully ignorant of the mortal world, and that's why they want to experience it. 

If they truly cared about maintaining their power, we would see a lot less possessed trees and corpses. 

Not necessarily. Khedra seemed to hold an entire city in thrall for a decade, with none the wiser. That seems to say that some upper tier demons of pride or desire do understand the mortal world in some fashion.

Don't demons get the memories of those they possess? I mean, the demon in Sophia remembered things and Justice had some things from Kristoff's corpse. If so, possessing a ruler could give them the knowledge on how to play the part.

True. Fair point. My belief is that demons do indeed have some understanding of the mortal plane, and that is what increases an inherent longing for them to experience the world.

Yeah. The discussions with Justice in Awakening definitely show that they understand some of the mortal plane, like how it is based on order and doesn't change while the Fade is based on chaos and always changing. Also Justice seemed to be able to pick up on things just by touching them like Javik in ME3, so perhaps demons gain knowledge that way too.